The PANEC Taxes - An Objective Look
NoneSuch
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If you haven't noticed already I actually changed articles on you guys. They're both about the same taxes, this one just goes a little more in depth and was probably more worthy of top 5 than the other one. It's also nicer. 🙂
20%/25%/03% - Food
20%/25%/03% - Gifts
20%/25%/03% - Weapon
20%/30%/03% - Moving Tickets
20%/30%/NA% - Grain
20%/01%/NA% - Diamonds
20%/01%/NA% - Iron
20%/30%/NA% - Oil
20%/30%/NA% - Wood
20%/25%/03% - Houses
20%/01%/01% - Hospital
20%/01%/01% - Defense System
- Income Tax -
As you all have noticed by now the new income tax rate for all industries will be set at 20%. We all know this is high, for the rich and the poor. Everyone loses the same percentage of their wage at the end of the day so it really isn't fair to say that we're favoring one class over the other. If we had changed to a completely VAT based tax system, then you could make that argument, but until the admins can find a way to implement a progressive income tax so that the more wealthy actually do get taxed more, this is the best we can do.
- VAT's -
A 3% VAT tax is barely anything taken out of your pocket when you buy something. When it comes time to buy food, you'll be losing a nickel at most. And so that everyone knows, the lowest percent we are actually allowed to change the VAT to is 1%, so it will always be there no matter what.
- Import Taxes -
Here we had to compromise with the protectionists and the amounts we already had. Nearly everyone wanted higher imports, so we decided to raise the tax a little, but not so much that we lose all of our importers. Having imports can be good for foreign relations and keeping our own prices in check when things get out of hand. We honestly just thought these numbers looked good on paper so we went with them.
- Why The Higher Taxes -
It's hard to get past you guys how expensive our military really is. In the proposed budget that the Economic Council laid out for us at the beginning of these debates, they were saying that we would have needed 4500 Gold a month to get by. The originally proposed 25% income tax wouldn't have even met that.
That budget included 5 weapons for every soldier in every branch for every battle assuming we only had 4 battles a month. It included proposing alliances, infrastructure spending, and a "modest" monthly savings for the treasury. Nowhere in that plan did I see a "Pay the government officials" or "Tank funding" sections. This means that we aren't paying ourselves like some of you would like to believe and that our military was coming first, not the tanks. So get it out of your heads that we're only perpetuating the wealth of the wealthy and screwing over everyone else. Everyone is welcome to join the military and if you want your tax dollars back, then enlist.
- PANEC? -
It's just an acronym for the main debaters in this plan. Don't worry, we're not in a panic.
- Apologizing -
I want to apologize for being so caustic these past few days pertaining to these taxes and allegations against Congress and myself. It's just that we're trying to do our best and all we see in the media is how we're doing a horrible job at everything we do. It's unnerving to see that and really de-motivates some people, including myself. And I'm sorry that not all of your voices were heard during these debates, but we DID have views from every group and took them all into account. And we know that 20% is a high income tax to pay, but it's already pushing the budget pretty tight. Keep in mind that we have to pay it just like everyone else does.
Comments
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Oh yeah, raise import taxes...
Eh I'm no expert but raising the import taxes on a lot of those things by 5% would probably be good. However the deflated (relatively) U.S. dollar does help to make local companies more competitive in the U.S. markets than foreign ones.
Yawn. Nothing new here.
I hope your planning to run for reelection. I'm looking forward to voting against you.
I'd vote for you NoneSuch.
I'd vote for myself too. Thanks Leroy.
stop whining? lol
I guess I can't complain too loud, I raised taxes when I was a congressman too. Still...makes me wonder if we're overspending on military. Do we really need to encourage people to fight, isn't that why many if not most play eRepublik anyway? I'm also curious about the economic sense of spending tax dollars fighting for regions that don't have resources we need anyway. I mean, what if we had conquered France and Portugal? All we would have really achieved would have been an ego boost and a lot of angry Europeans. Okay, so I guess it would have been fun, but too expensive in my mind.
I had the mindset during these debates that while we may declare a battle or two every now and then, these funds are going to be used to fill our treasury back up and supply our troops only when they need it. It's a rather conservative spending policy.
Oh yeah, and about the import tax hike, of course that's a bad idea but at least we're a big enough economy on our own that we can't really hurt ourselves too badly by cutting off consumer choices through high tariffs.
Actually, Nonesuch, you're probably right. In the future 20% will probably look very conservative as we contemplate 30% 🙂
@Korin, PLEASE vote me out of office. Despite what you may think, I actually hate debating these things. The only reason I do is because SOMEONE needs to do it. And if you don't like the job I'm doing, then feel free to make that clear during this upcoming election.
Good work NS! And I call BS you love to argue!
Not voted. Unsubscribed.
Ok, that wasn't true. I voted and I stayed sub'd. I dig some of your articles, even if this one is a little snotty. 🙂
i like the rates. nice one NS.
Raising the minimum wage? What are we, stupid? Raising minimum wage just causes inflation OR it stops people from bothering to hire skill 0 because it's not worth it, or both.
@Jythier
The President wanted the minimum wage raised to throw us a bone and shut us up... it's in the debate thread in the forums.
Congress only considers it because they want to the ability to take *more* money from noobs: http://eusforum.com/index.php/topic,882.0.html
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-panec-taxes-an-objective-look-738689/1/20
I would like to see 3% imports on diamonds and iron.. seriously the revenue it would make would be GREAT
There's still time to debate it I suppose.
Raise import taxes.
While I'm not a fan of subsidies (because it only reinforcces our perceived need for taxes) this kind of plan would grow our tax base and would not scare people away from the eUS...IF the subsidies and citizen fees are passed before congress rushes to increase more income taxes.
Lower VATs to help citizens is offset by outrageous income taxes which screw companies. Saying that raising minimum wage will make it even better is an even more insulting slap to the face. That is all on top of a very rude and pompous article. Some of the older players are gaining personal benefit from such tax changes and they hold enough majority in Congress to make it happen. New congress members don't get anywhere because of this. There is a secret society going on here...
Also, see the Umbrella Corporation's off-site forum here:
http://umbrellaresearchcorporation.freeforums.org
We support low VATs, low income tax, and high import tax to keep eUS products and money in the eUS. We will be starting a political party soon and hope to begin eUS border expansion by summer.
welll i am going to buy export licences to the us as soon as possible 😛
Why increase minimum wage? I did fine on it, just a little tough, but if you're able to rise your skill fast enough, it'll all be good.
Wow, so create a large bad thing and another promise of some small minor good thing that Im sure we wont all get. Even if we do it clearly shows your over taxing as you have the money to give the gifts. Hmm well Ill probably be leaving the coutry for a while. I dont mind helping the government recover but not if it just means me trading places with them.
Assuming people send atleast 50 of their income your purposing overa 30% tax, and that just if you a worker it just goes up even high if your a buisness owner. You've nearly tripled the taxes on oil alone.
I do not see why Congress needs to make compromises between the voices of the people, why not give the people what they asked for, the PEOPLE, not the Congress, not a person, not the Pres, but the People, and they want lower taxes. Congress's Job is to do the People's will, and so far with this plan and your "get over it attitude" I do not see you doing your job for the people, but doing it inspite of the people.
Sorry that is the truth, and get over it
Voltare, not all the PEOPLE want the same thing. This wasn't supposed to make top 5 🙁
but when the mass will of the people ask for low taxes do not compromise to please the minority when in a great democratic nation the majority is where the Government is supposed to lay its support.
I realize that, but it's also our duty to protect them. ALL of this spending is going towards the military.
I explained why I changed the title, other countries only give Q1 weapons to their military if they even have one, the 4 battles aren't due to bad foreign relations, they're to give the players something to do, and Congress can't even be in the military so it's not like we're doing it for ourselves.
So, you're subsidizing unnecessary battles to please some people, but we all have to suffer a ridiculously high income tax to pay for it. Yeah, that's fair.
I don't want to pay for other people's weapons just so they have "something to do". Let 'em buy their own weapons for that. Save the taxpayer's money until US territory is faced with a real threat. You tried to argue that these taxes were needed to protect the people, but now the truth comes out. We're paying a 20% income tax, so that the warmongers can have something to do. If you don't see the problem with that, you're not fit to serve in Congress.
Look Korin is right. We are not longer at war. The wars are over. Yes there may be sum in the future but why do we need a 20% income tax to fun a peacetime military? We do not. Taxes right now are too high, people bought the "we need it for war" when there was war. We do not need to fun the high level fighters in times of peace. We need to cut taxes, save money, and let people and the free market do its job. If the GOV MUST spend money, spend less of it, which means less taxes, and spend it on helping everyone out here at home, not funding war actions.
I'm done with this, if you guys don't want to accept the numerous reasons people are giving you so be it. If you guys want to do something about it, run for congress, win, and run the country how you want.
You explained why you changed the title? Perhaps, but somehow I'm not sure it was entirely honest.
My theory: you changed the time to dodge the negative PR of having an obnoxious "get over it" message in the top 5. I'm sure that kind of press is bad for a re-election campaign. 🙂
I respect my partyies views and I believe that we are right and that you are doing a bad job running this nation. I will be honest about that. There is a handleful of good Congressmen/women who support the true American cause.
I will one day be in Congress, and I will do what Congress has forgotten to do, listen to the people and make it about governing a nation for the people and by the people, not about politics and public relations.
I agree with Korin military wise. In good concious(sp?) I can't let the income tax be that high(if I'm elected) Import tax looks good though. http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/order-66-182370/1
@NoneSuch -
I wish you had stuck with this title the first time - the second reading was easier to get through. While I still disagree, at least your point has been made and can be respected.
My opinion is only MY opinion, but when taxes are high so that the government can decide how to best protect us and don't have to listen to the people because they can spend the taxes however they wish, the people have less freedom about what choices they want to make because there is less money to spend on what they may want to (better weapons, better food, monetary market, business, newspapers). If a high tax passes, after a while, a "small" raise in taxes seems less shocking while freedom is gradually stripped away from the people and given to the government...
NoneSuch - I'm done with this, if you guys don't want to accept the numerous reasons people are giving you so be it. If you guys want to do something about it, run for congress, win, and run the country how you want.
Wow so I guess its only us not accepting the your reasons. What about our reasons. You could always do this in phases like Ive suggested many times. Doubling/Tripling taxes all at once is always going to get you this kind of response. Id suggest doing this in 2 if not 3 steps. Atleast then people cant adjust better to them, and it should allow many of to keep you positions.
the easing of higher taxes is BETTER than the massive increase, but any increase at this point or that would eventually reach this point, especialy out of war is terrible. I mean sure easing taxes allows people to adjust, but it still harms the economy and the free market as well ast he consumer; however, to gradually increase for the purpose of keeping a position is an attempt to blindside the people into voting you in office, that is a terrible backhanded way of doing things.
its politics nothing in politics is straight forward and honest thats why I try to stay out of them. I dont really think congress is trying to take advantage of us. I just think since the treasury got wiped out they're try to change the focus of the country as a whole to military as it would increase spending and recover the coffers quicker. The problem is that from what Ive seen th US doesnt want to be a warmonger. So we're being asked not only to fund a change but to also change how we play. That to me seems to be a lot to come and ask for all at once. I know from watching my national rank change either Ive become amazingly awsome in about a week because Ive jump nearly 200 in rank or a large number of our higher ranked people are fleeing from the taxes. Thats going to prove to be a big problem that Ive warned congress about serveral times. If this "needs" to happen I just think we need to be a litle more patient. They want to raise the tax lie this for a month or two why lower the increase and keep it for 2-4 months.
I dont know it just doesnt seem like any ground has been given by congress. This plan and the orginal plan really arent much different at all. They lowered income tax a little but raised up vat to counter it. I dont realy call that change its more like rewording a sentence.
I should add at this point it doesnt seem to matter as they're going to pass them any ways. Everyone say good bye to about 20% our your top people. That should help out the military a greatly and our econimic profits. Who needs a job because if you do you might need to start looking in another countries job market. On the upside this should help distribute globale population more evenly.
I agree with you. I do not see that they are trying to undercut us, but still making politics come before country is never good.
If this must be done is should be done slow, it is just I do not believe that it should be done at all. I advocate a tax, but a lowering of the taxes that we have now. You are right there is not compromise and not change.
>its politics nothing in politics is straight forward and honest thats why I try to stay out of them.
You picked the wrong game son
Honestly, I don't support the raised import taxes for reasons of ideology, practicality, and of course my own pocket book, but I suppose these are livable at least for now, but only because of the recently appreciated USD. I really don't think that higher import taxes will benefit the U.S. economy as a whole though.