The Offered Solution: United America
Minuvas
I am not a political insider. Most of my knowledge of this game is almost entirely military, I have not (until recently) even looked at the political side of this game. Which is perhaps a statement about our military as it is (For better or worse, we avoid the politics). Though to pat myself on the back as not a total idiot, I do hold a degree in Political Science. Recent issues have brought the topic of the political integrity of our country now into the spectrum of national security. I think its time we get over this and look at compromise. There is Merit in the JCS because the Executive Branch lacks in experience (With rare exception, no single Secretary of Defense will have weeded himself through the vetting process in which people become apart of the Joint Chiefs). There is merit in a Secretary of Defense, because there needs to be a clear unity of Command. I would like to make the following proposal, and I’m sure our politicians can translate this into whatever legal speak they want to put out there…I believe these to be reasonable answers, and if they are not – I ask that you take what you like, discard what you don’t, and find a solution.
A National Security Council (To be named as seen fit for all I could care), seated by the following members:
The President
Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Senior Deputy Speaker (Someone specifically designated to vocalize congressional concerns about military action, and who has national security interest/clearance)
A rotating ranking member of one the three largest militias.
That’s 4 people total, with the obvious DECIDER to be the President himself. This council would allow the President to have all voices of the people, government, and military sector to be recognized when considering military action.
The President: (In these regards)
Appoints the SecDef
Appoints the CJCS
Is the Chair of the National Security Council
Is given access to the Joint Military Forum
Is the Sole Decider on how to manage the Official Military, they are the Executive Head and as such will not relinquish this authority and responsibility to Congress.
Congress:
Should be given generic non-OPSEC information in regards to budget information about the military. These requests should be made thru the SecDef, and they should coordinate with the SecDef and the President for all other military issues. The CJCS is not the advisory personnel to Congress, and therefore only in matters very specific and finite to military action under direct control by the CJCS should they be called to answer to Congress – not broad based military decisions under the direction of the President.
Secretary of Defense:
This person is in the end, essential because it provides for Unity of Command for all of America’s fighting forces (Something a CJCS cannot do with Militias, and Civilians). This position should be the advisor to the President on military affairs, a source of executive guidance to the official eUS Military as well as our Militia’s and the voice of the Military to Congress, and the Civilian World. They should be the enforcer of executive policy, and they should also be the eUS Military’s lobbyist and voice to Congress. The SecDef should have, on beckon, any information that is necessary to complete their job. Only the President, may choose the Chief and the Sec Def. They should be approved by the congress, but neither can be removed by Congress. This person should be given access to our Joint Military Orders, though access to every Branch forum is overkill. How do we define As necessary;
Neccesary Information SHOULD include:
# of Communes, # of Personnel and an Average Strength, How (in general) their budget is being spent: What % goes to what branch. Any Non-OPSEC information regardless of its type. Any very specific, very laborious work assignments should not be mandatory weekly tasks, but should be assigned with reasonable time lengths and completions.
It Should not Include:
Exactly what each person is making in an organization. A weekly Roster on every persons name, strength is a monstrously difficult task to expect.
None of the mentioned information is anything that is dictated to be reported to Congress, with the exception of the Generic (
😵based expenditure of the allotted budget. They can pass their own separate legislation should they wish for the President or the SecDef to brief this information to congress, because frankly it is important for our Government (The Exec/SecDef) to know military business – not all of this stuff is essential to the operation of congress, and some of it is certainly capable of providing an intelligence edge to our opponents. Congress should have to vote, with a 3/4th approval, to release specific information they wish to have from the Pres/SecDef rather than immediately being given this information on demand. There should be a certain level of discretion exercised by the President and the SecDef on what really is necessary for others to know. In the end the SecDef is a manager, a provider of executive guidance, and to ensure accountability. They are there to help with broad-based military decisions, but do not and should not interfere with specific decisions (Who gets promoted to what) in the military.
The Chief:
Any legislation dictating how the Chief manages their own internal military affairs should be thrown out. Their legal role should be defined in terms only in their responsibility to the President ,SecDef, and the Government. The only Congressional influence in this position should be to dictate what the SecDef CANNOT take away from this position. Only the President, may choose the Chief and the Sec Def. They should be approved by the congress, but neither can be removed by Congress. Congress should NOT be dictating how Branch CO’s are appointed, or Branch XO’s are appointed. They should be concerned with only how the Chief is selected by the President, and vet with whatever interview process they have to determine if they feel this person has the skill to hold the position. This should be a simple majority vote, and he should hold the position for at least 3 months. The Chief is the one who runs the official eUS Military branch, and as such should be given full discretion to decide policy within the eUS military - how its budget is used internally, policy regarding promotions and appointments, as well as which branch those who wish to hold political office must be located. To micromanage this person from the desk of the President, or the Gavel of the speaker - is wrong and weakens our defense network.
The JCS:
The Joint Chiefs themselves, and how they sit and how they are appointed will be left solely at the discretion of the CJCS. Since only the CHIEF himself should sit in on the National Security Council to advise the president, it should be the Chief’s discretion as to how their subordinate advisory group is organized and managed. To be honest, this is a realm Congress should not mess with – these are a group of men and women who know how to run their own organizations and when given flexibility will make the right decisions. The SecDef, or the Pres should NOT be excluded from JCS discussions (The Sec Def should be Welcomed to sit in on these discussions, and his feedback taken into account for subordinate branches). I believe these men and women can organize themselves in a manner to best protect their military secrets from what they perceive to be threads, better than Congress.
Amnesty:
Chief Bradley should not be removed from his position any should be protected from such for at least one more Presidential term, as well as any future disciplinary action related solely on his recent decission. Any member of the eUS military who decided to step down because of this conflict should be welcomed back and able to return to their previous position without penalty of seniority, rank or position. They should be given their former, and if not possible an equivalent, leadership position (if one was held). Any discharge related SOLELY (and not without other reason) to this schism, should be welcomed back as a brother. In addition, the Executive Office would recognize what has been labeled as “the eUS’s biggest military” as the official branches of the United States, once more. Full funding should be restored to the eUS Military immediately.
The New Recognized Military:
All new trainee's in the newest military would be sent to the TC, and processed and distributed normally to their branches. People holding Officer ranks in the new military should be placed in appropriate vacancies in the branch of their choice, if they meet all other branch requirements. Members such as General Deificus SHOULD be recognized for his position and contributions in this new Army, and he should be given similar authority and command in the old disenfranchised eUS Mil.
There is tremendous compromise and a lot of give and take on both sides in my suggestions. But it is clear, the Government needs to re-unite with its Military as much as the Military needs to return to the Government. To simply disenfranchise the military and proclaim it your hidden bastard child is just as wrong as refusing to obey legislation, whether or not we in the military community feel it to be poorly constructed and bias. I may not have answered to what many feel is THE answer, but I certainly have put forth ANSWERS. I read over the Congressional forums, and I've taken a good deal of feedback from my peers but the message is clear:
The Military Does not trust Congress
Congress does not trust The Military
This needs to cease, and there needs to be realistic trust between the Government and the Military.
Thank you for your time
Long Time Senior TC Officer
Short Time Junior Army Officer
Always one Bad Mother-Trucker
Minuvas
Comments
voted Min-Daddy
Voted and I agree with most of it.
The problem is creating a unit which feels it is independent from the elected leadership of the country. As a PolySci person, you of all people should know what that means. I am all for military command, hell I started the Department of Defense in the US, but beyond everything once your military leadership feels that it can tell the President or anyone else no, which CJCS has done both past and present, then there's a definite problem within said command.
PS - Do you know how hard it would be to get 3/4 of Congress to even show up?
I apologize; i know congress has a way to determine 3/4th of its ACTIVE membership. I also expect others to iron out the reasonable finite details.
I would also like to note: The CJCS should be given limited authority to speak up and say "No, I will not tell the Airborne branch that you do not want them promoting so and so". As these are internal affairs, in the end this position SHOULD be held accountable - and should NOT be able to simply "say no" as it currently is. The attempt here is to give a merged voice and interest in national security to all the branches of our Government on military affairs.
Also, limiting the CJCS role to only 3 months should break up factional "god worship" of this person, and ensure greater loyalty to the Government, and not a specific person.
They shouldn't have any authority to go against where the President orders them, by extension via the SecDef to fight. At all. And from what I've seen, tbh, promotions are more based on BS than actual ability lately, so I don't put much faith in that.
I think you have a valid point, the President IS the Supreme Executive authority. I think it just makes for terrible leadership style to micromanage.
A very solid attempt at bringing back America together, way better than what some folks are trying to do by destroying the other side sand box.
And if some people are doubting that this strife is having a negative impact. Since the USMC were torn apart by the debate, A few left the country.
the US is not accomplish anything by dismantling the old Mil branch. All it will accomplish is gain some new member for their new army and a lot of other who will either leave the country or the game.
Think straight america!
Yes I agree voted.
And Yes to what Chucky said. We will see people leave if a middle ground is not met, and that will hurt the Eus badly.
A solid attempt, but I think there is some confusion about whether the military can say 'no' to a president.
You see, in real life, the Joint Chiefs and the rest of the military high command tells the president 'no' every day. Happens all the time. President comes up with a plan or a goal, military command tells said president if it is viable. Many many times it is not, so the word 'no' is used often.
That is where we differ in this game, the upper echelon of government wants TOTAL control over the military. That is all it is about, control. They don't like to be told no. Now as a result, you have a JCS that is tired of being told they have to follow any order regardless of potential outcome. When developing strategy, you take into account all factors, including potential win/loss. The JCS maintains that there are not many people in this govt that can create plans on the level that is needed in this game. And they are right.
There is a reason why the JCS are the JCS in this game, and to be honest, if it weren't for these people working their asses off, we wouldn't have an eUS to speak of. When a JCS member says 'no' to a president, said president should have the decency to recognize that these people have been doing this for a long time. They know strategy. Politicians don't.
Sure you can control the military with an iron fist, but as they say...nothing good will come of it.
My point is proven recently, as we have been losing more battles than winning. Odd that it happens when the strategy end of war is being taken over by people who don't know their asses from a hole in the ground when it comes to that aspect of the game.
You can be free to RAHRAH the current government in their ploy to destroy an institution...but I hope you are ready to blame the people responsible when it is said and done.
The President appoints the CJCS. The President should be able to fire the CJCS. Neither is the case now.
Problem: will the branch leaders accept CJCS authority? Just cause he is appointed CJCS? It still boils down to military acceptance of Presidential/Congressional decisions even when they don't agree with them.
sry for double post
@Dishmcds. The separation didn't occur because of JCS of ignoring leadership...it was that they now were under Congress' control.
If you say that Congress are part of the leadership, then your PostvScript shows us that Congress aren't leaders if they don't show up...
Devil is in the details, I think; the problem we have is in the idea that the military should be independent in some formal way. The more established the national miitary gets, the harder it will be to unwind. I expressed this to Brad, and he said the JCS and their branches were happy with the way things are.
And also, John Jay, the problem is Terra/Eden coordination and the fact that we are being dramatically, dramatically outmatched in damage output.
More importantly, several elements of the plan that involved us losing original regions were Brad's idea and approved by the national security council. Strategic decisions involve picking some battles over others. We've got a region for every state, while our allies are down to their last few, so we've been helping them more than we've been helping ourselves.
So this "JCS vs. know-nothing, power-hungry Congress" dynamic you believe in isn't quite so simple - especially if you listen to the majority of former presidents who say that strategic decisions (as opposed to battle coordination) have nearly always been the purview of the CP and his staff.
Alright, two responses:
@JJ: If this were RL, and people died, then perhaps you might have a point. But it's not. This game is measured by elected leaders, not self appointed leadership that doesn't exist. As much you as you can say everyone else is RAHRAH'ing the Gov't, you're basically doing the same thing to the Military. If you say your JCS doesn't make mistakes, why not ask NXNW which country Sindh belongs to? I can remember some pretty monumental screwups from your so called "strategy professionals".
@Mongo: Congress has nothing to do with it. It's under Presidential Control. That means the elected head of the country controls where its army fights. How hard is that to understand?
So dish, what is your answer on this matter?
Let the debacle continue and marginalise the old Mil branch to the point that they will quit?
Or is there a possibility for reintegration?
What I see here is an honest proposal to build back the bridge. It needs some people to iron it out, but it's a good start if people are open to it.
Beside the JCS is just a name. The new Army will have some of the same problem has the previous one. A branch needs a leader, those leader and the officer corp will form a new JCS, which will probably be named differently but will end up facing some very similar problem after.
What I think should be done on top of the original proposition in this article:
Have deificus and Bradley hold the title of CJCS, that would put them on an equal step, reintegrate all the branch. The new army is a separated branch with it's own CO, XO and officer corp.
In 2 month we can appoint a new CJCS once the armed force is reunited and more on the same line. But for now it would serve to give a voice to both faction while comming to some form of compromise.
IMO, that would put the collateral damage to a minimum.
You know, I am so tired of people bringing up the past (distant past) to justify mistakes in governing. Sure there are JCS members that have screwed up, but seriously going back to that ONE point every time? Come on man, that's just bush league. And if this game is truly measured by 'elected leaders', then we are in trouble...seeing that most of the congress is chosen a week before the election. Talk to me about elected leaders when we have free elections.
@Avruch: I see your point, but could the real reasoning be that the largest military in the world is working without funding? I know for a fact that Marine damage alone is down 50%. If you wish to blame that on planning, I don't know how to answer that. Every plan is made with the intention that said plan is going to be fully funded. Funding was taken from the most powerful hitters we have and given to people who can't hit half of what they do. I think that is a better explanation of why our damage is low.
And you are wrong Dish, I am not on either side of this conflict. From where I stand, and many others I might add, this is a situation where both sides are acting like children. And you know...most of those "children" are screaming from the governments side. I need only cite Pricefigs, CRoy, Pfeffier and company for examples of this. Note that two out of three have militia avatars. I mean for christs sake, Pfeiffer is a tool and he is deputy supreme commander of our alliance? A retarded baby rabbit could do better. Point is, the people spearheading this fight have little to no military experience, and Princefigs wasn't even competent enough to make it in our military.
If you want the common soldier to see your points, make some valid ones. Other than that, all we hear is white noise.
@ Avruch: "More importantly, several elements of the plan that involved us losing original regions were Brad's idea and approved by the national security council. Strategic decisions involve picking some battles over others. We've got a region for every state, while our allies are down to their last few, so we've been helping them more than we've been helping ourselves."
The plans of us sacrificing some regions for others was put forward by me because I had been ignored in the past. The Spanish NE, for example, was something that I voiced my opposition to very vehemently to the SoH and CP. I was ignored. The "World on Fire" plan that lead up to the Spanish NE was also something I vehemently voiced my opposition to and again was ignored over.
The "World on Fire" plan, in fact, was the main reason I resigned as Terran vSC. Up until that point we had won some fairly big victories against Poland. When that plan was proposed I immediately spoke against it, and continued to speak against it. I was assured "no, this time it will work." So far it hasn't, and I don't see that changing. If we had wanted a plan that would've worked, we wouldn't have opened up multiple different fronts.
Don't suggest that I ever signed off on the operations that lead us to these situations. I didn't. Since that time I have done my duty to help come up with operations that have mitigated the damage, but that is only because of the options left, those were the best.
Voted and I agree with most of it.
"I mean for christs sake, Pfeiffer is a tool and he is deputy supreme commander of our alliance? A retarded baby rabbit could do better."
LOL and I thought he's the strategic genius : O
I don't think the JCS needs to exist. CJCS, certainly. I like some of what you had to say, Minuvas, but frankly, many of us signed up for this because we DON'T have to put up with retarded RP aspects like CoC, etc, that serve absolutely no purpose in this game.
I'm a former alliance SC who volunteered to help grunt for the new army because I knew they needed bodies. If you told me I had to go through the TC's snaggletoothed mess again in order to serve, I'd simply resign and join a militia. Some of us that crossed over from the militias would probably do the same.
I personally don't like the way you guys do things. That's my opinion, but there has been plenty of people who have joined up lately saying the same thing. It's just something to take into consideration.
Glad to see discussion going on. But I'm seeing a re-occurring theme of focusing on PAST actions by the Joint Chiefs, and Congress. We should be focused slightly in the now, and more importantly on tomorrow.
Should we not continue to Iron out these discussions, and mediate them?
I would be more then happy to mediate discussion. As long as it gets people to the center of the road I am willing to help.
I have expressed this to the current CJCS as well.
This looks like a pretty good plan in general. I would add something about guaranteeing that each branch would have representation in the JCS (since apparently we need to spell these things out). I think it would be a good idea for the CJCS to have to be chosen from the current JCS or at least some limited pool of candidates within the military.
If the CJCS can be chosen from an unlimited pool of people they shouldn't be able to appoint their own JCS directly. I think that could lead to a chaotic series of 'yes men' being in charge that would be detrimental to the military.
The military was not independent. It traded independence for the disproportionate funding it received. That funding apparently came at too high a cost, so Brad broke away. Problem now is that he seems to want it both ways, having the military be official and receive the benefits of that, but at the same time have total operational independence. He's even held on to the Civilian Orders org. I'm not sure how that can be justified at all, as guiding civilians is obviously the job of the SoD and the president.
This compromise might have been a possibility a month ago, but things have gone too far now. The new military is a reality, and the JCS have chosen to take the old military in a new direction as a militia. If it can start consistently acting like one I think things can calm down and we can focus on what really matters, the ongoing war.
Nice. Best idea I've seen yet. It'd be sweet if this could happen (With the additions GS proposed).
You guys do know who makes up the JCS don't you? Well in case you don't...
It is the CO's and XO's of each military branch. These are some of the most dedicated, brightest minds we have, who have worked long and hard to earn where they are now. If you think we can't trust THEM, then I think we have a lot bigger issues to worry about...
Sure, Brad, I can only really speak to strategic decisions in this term. In retrospect it's clear that "engage on all fronts" wasn't a good plan.
Something like this needs to happen. Immediately.
We are some losing people to other countries - and plenty more are threatening to leave or quit the game entirely.
JJ: The US doesn't have any military strategists worth promoting to JCS, and if Reala was the "answer", then frankly the system needed redoing to begin with. You're talking about the worst technical President in history, and someone thought moving him under the two worst technical CJCS's was going to fix his inability to understand things?
I was rejected entirely from the military, and I'm one of the few people with US citizenship that have ever led successful military campaigns, even though they were from abroad. The system itself was broken, if people can't understand that, then their own fates were sealed by their own will.
Nice effort, Minuvas. Thank you.