The IRC Issue – The CPs views
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by eSouth African Presidency
IRC has been a big issue in this country at the moment. It has really reached a boiling point and I am tired of seeing anything about it. People will say that articles like this about IRC should not be published, but that only seems to apply to the IRC subject matter and nothing else. The ingame publishing system is here to raise issues, it has a comment section to debate issues and this belongs on here as much as it does the National Forum.
I am not going to sit here and present logs. I think that has been done to death and in the end it proves nothing.
People will come out and say that I have defended Frank in the recent IRC events involving him. I was there when that happened. All that I will say here is that at the moment when Frank was chased out of the IRC room, he had done nothing wrong. People can have what ever opinion they want of Frank, and I will admit that Frank has had his problems in this country. He is a loyal friend and I am able to look past many of the Frankisms that he portrays. He is a man that I trust, and I don’t really care about what anyone thinks of him. I am loyal to my friends.
I was just in the IRC and I watched a massive conversation about communism. This conversation went on for a long time. Now apparently there is a no Politics rule in place on the channel, yet this was allowed to happen. This type of “kick when the mood takes us” attitude is what is causing the problems we are now having.
So, where do we go from here? How do we fix the rift that has happened? I really don’t know. I know that if I get involved things happen, threats happen and I have even been told that the IRC is none of my business. I have been mocked and told “what you going to do about it”.
So this is all I can do. I can suggest (note that word) that we implement the following.
- A section on the forum where a ban can be appealed.
- A set of IRC rules/guidelines that will be enforced in a liberal manner.
- A clear, set out time for bans. Different offenses could carry different durations.
So, am I as president of this country asking for too much here? Are these suggestions not reasonable? Let me know.
Regards
Mark Morcom
eSouth African President
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bravo
thank you for clearing that all up
Seriously, its not that hard! All you need to do is get rid of krimpie.
Just be a man and say it.
No offence.
Mark, thank you for a balanced article. And while I think you should put Frank on a forced sabbatical, there is a certain integrity to standing by a friend, even when he is wrong.
There should be a forum to discuss politics on IRC, but maybe that isn't the main country channel. And you are correct, enforcement is, at the moment, arbitrary.
But, with others, I feel that a far graver problem is the profane and hateful speech on IRC, the personal attacks and unwillingness to move on... whether it is Ben or Frank or anyone else who pisses people off. This is a game of social strategy, but in IRC even our best loved players have been acting like petulant adolescents... it is ugly and hateful, and does not reflect well on the eSouth African community I am trying to still love.
We have never gotten it back together after the channers and the invasion. Everyone needs to step back, breathe, and try to get it together.
Maddog, I disagree, Krimpie has been helping this country out by running the IRC. I don't think that you can put the problems down to people. This is why this whole thing has gone out of control. It became a flame war because people were blamed. Its a attitude, and the attitude should be addressed.
I specifically did not mention names in the article for that very reason.
I agree Mark. If we need regulations for IRC to get people to calm down and learn to behave themselves, then I say go for it.
i leave #esouth_africa and you start a mess alone?
Mark at the time of this convo you were the only one on who had op power in the channel not once did you ask for it to be stopped, not once did you issue a warning. So if no one is on to enforce the rule you can't really call it selective kicking.
It was allowed to happen because you allowed it to go on.
About time someone does something with the freakin' IRC! This crap has been going on for ever and just now this stuff is getting addressed. It should have been done months ago. Get those freakin' rule's through congress and get them up and running
Sakyo, yes I had op, but I also had a life and was putting my son to bed. When I returned I read the logs.
good job! i like! xD
IRC is a national resource that must have rules but they need to be fair rules that do not discriminate in any way.
I think an independent and impartial council should be responsible for regulating IRC with no one person having all the power.
I also think there should be more than one IRC channel e.g. a general friendly chat with no controversial topics (eSA_Chat), a help channel (eSA_Help), a congressional channel (eSA_Congress), a political discussion channel (eSA_Politics), etc.
We should focus on a solution instead of just focusing on the problem.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said, Mark.
I also agree with Al Kazar in that an independent and impartial council should be responsible for regulating IRC (not just in real time, but regarding disputes).
While I myself, as an anarchist, hate laws and regulations, it is a sad reality that these are indeed needed in many aspects of social life, especially something such as a National Chatroom.
Fair and balanced rules, most definitely.
Another thing that forces people to stay away from the IRC is the swearing and general profanity.
I myself don't mind the occassional coarse remark or rude joke, hell, it's fun.
But when every 10 minutes you sift through the log and all you can see are people using dildo's for strange purposes and f*ck every few words.....it gets annoying.
If there are rules regarding political discussions in the IRC, then there should be rules regulating profanity and general rude behaviour.
"But when every 10 minutes you sift through the log and all you can see are people using dildo's for strange purposes and f*ck every few words.....it gets annoying"
I lol'ed at the using dildos for strange purposes part.
But seriously, the most important thing is the arbitrary kicking. I get kicked every time I log on for bullsh*t reasons. I guarentee that if someone like Zamrg or Remon or Ines or someone like that were to say what I say they would not be permanently banned like I am.
No they wouldn't, but that is because if they did what you have been doing, they would have learned their lesson the first time they were kicked or banned, you on the other hand have been kicked and banned several times and you have yet to learn you lesson. Most of your bans were for very good reasons.
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To all you suggesting other rooms, and a Council:
This was done during my term as President. Go back through my paper and see. Not only was the Council idea dropped, but the following rooms were rarely use😛 #eSA_Politics, #eSA_Econ, and #eSA_Congress. No one used them, no one cared to keep the Council idea running either *which was an idea from the IRC Ops themselves, mind you*.
@Enoch - just because something didn't work before doesn't necessarily mean it won't work now - times change and people change - couldn't hurt to try
There should be no specific rules on IRC.
If you ruin the game for someone, then get a warning.
Incessant badgering will lead to a ban.
No petty ban on politics or so is necessary.
Just be half-civilized and good natured.
That's easy enough to say, cheesebreath.
But where do you draw the line?
Something that is intolerable to me, might be harmless fun to you.
Without at least an outline or some semblance of a guideline, new players and controversial players are essentially in the dark about what is allowed and what isn't.
And as we have seen, the goal posts keep shifting on a personal bias.