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Oh, lmao... can't wait to read your analysis of the relationship between TDP and I&W....

Thank you for the kind words, Auggustus.
I hope this marks a change in I&W's policy towards GPN. Maybe even work together in the future?

I see quality of a party being more important than quantity. And as staated in the past, I&W is open to working with all parties.

@zeeuwsemeisje I&W & TDP (CLN) actually came from a situation where we actually did not want to work together. However after intensive talks we managed to work out key differences and our working relationship with one another has been rock solid. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if it were possible I would have said when hell freezes over (seeing how cold it is outside maybe it has 😒) Anyways I&W and TDP relationship is just an example of how people from opposite sides of the political spectrum can work together if we can let old biases pass and that everyone can work together.

Hmm how was Tonie his presidential program not populistic? Or is his mistake forgiven since he did not write his own presidential program?

Also auggy the conclusion you make in this article is bullshit looking at the previous presidential elections.

@Auggy: I for one will not likely be accused of being biassed. I judge people on their actions, attitude and words. And always willing to give another chance if people take back what they did or said. But if you are really on opposite ends of the political spectrum, I just don't see how you can support each others candidates. Or you are bound to end up in a cooperation you can seriously only define as puppet and puppeteer...

Some points. I really shouldn't react here, but we all do some things we will regret having spent time on later.

1. 'I&W & TDP (CLN) actually came from a situation where we actually did not want to work together. However after intensive talks we managed to work out key differences and our working relationship with one another has been rock solid. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if it were possible I would have said when hell freezes over (seeing how cold it is outside maybe it has 😒) Anyways I&W and TDP relationship is just an example of how people from opposite sides of the political spectrum can work together if we can let old biases pass and that everyone can work together.'

Substitute I&W & TDP for DemNL & GPN. Don't change another thing. Now see if it corresponds to the truth. Answer for those too lazy to think: yes. What is your point?

2. How was the I&W & TDP agreement on mutual support for CP elections, with I&W supplying the first CP (of course), any different from the relationship you see between DemNL and GPN?

And point 3, just for the fun of it: "Does this make our country better or worse?" And you actually know you're bad, like you say elsewhere.

Oh, and point 4: So what is your idea of a decent CP election programme? I'd be more than willing to hear your rantings. Oh, you don't run? You support a guy whose government has absolutely nothing to show for? Well, that's great government, I guess 😁

I&W is under fire, and suddenly they want a national gov again.

Last week I proposed to work together but it was denied.

Goodluck with Notie :- )

ArtemIvanov, I never saw your idea for a national gov. I have been a supporter of this since I first proposed it, however we were shot down as well.

Like I said there are points where man of the parties agree upon, its the manner of execution.

Yawn @ the days around elections

The DemNL and GPN coorporation is just something that happened naturally. However, we can't say the same thing of TDP. Yes, got into the Presidential seat thanks to GPN's support, but same goes for you and TDP in Luuklag I and NoTie112 I.

You guys had to combine (even though it's like mixing water with fire) but otherwise there would be no way of you to be in control and we know how I&W hates to be in control.

I&W showed its compassion for this country and was able to put differences aside and built up a great relationship with the TDP now.

The idea Auggustus proposes here is viable and potentially great in my opinion it just requires ALL parties to work together, which will be hard, yet not impossible. It definitely essential to put tune down some cockiness 😉 in order for this to succeed!

' Het zal moeilijk worden om mijn vorige termijn te evenaren, wat misschien wel kan worden gezien als beste CP termijn in de hele geschiedenis van eNL'se CP termijnen. '

oh and btw, I think my term, where we conquered an actual foreign country is considered better 😉

"Anyhow Im trolling in a sense now."

Dat gaat alleen op voor het eerste deel van je artikel. In het tweede deel sla je een zuivere snaar aan (kun je dat zo zeggen?). ;- )

Ik zou volledig achter je idee van een "gekozen regering" staan, hoewel ik het niet direct zou invoeren; vier dagen voor de CP-verkiezingen. Als je dit beschouwt als een serieuze poging het balletje op te gooien, dan ben ik bereid hem voor je te vangen en door te spelen.

Om toch in te gaan op het eerste deel van je artikel: ik ben niet in de positie om je over alles te informeren, maar achter de schermen is er zeker onderhandeld en zijn er afspraken gemaakt tussen GPN en DemNL. Als je zegt dat GPN "de sterke arm van DemNL" is, ben ik bereid enigszins met je mee te gaan door te zeggen dat DemNL en GPN elkaar ondersteunen zoals >twee< sterke armen dat doen. Vergeet niet dat GPN en DemNL evenveel zetels hebben bemachtigd in het congres.

Toch weer terug naar het tweede deel, want daar zie ik potentie in. Misschien zou je mij via PM iets meer kunnen vertellen over dit oude idee? Ik was toen nog bezig de steen voor mijn graf vandaan te schuiven, wat me anderhalf jaar heeft gekost.
- Waarom heeft dit idee nooit voet aan wal gezet?
- Wat waren de bezwaren van dit idee: de voor- en nadelen?
- Hoe ver is dit idee besproken of is het zonder al te veel discussie opzij gezet?

Het eerste deel van je artikel had je misschien beter weg kunnen laten om je punt te maken, want het is onverdiepte quatsch. Met het tweede deel laat je mijn eHartje sneller kloppen. ;- )

It's sad to see broersje bashing on I&W, while Auggy is making a really good point here.

Why can't we just "bury the hatchet"? We have been living this way too long.

I&W/TDP are at identical points on the political spectrum. It's a bit rich for I&W to complain about GPN controlling DemNL when I&W used a fifth columnist to effectively PTO CLN.

Nice article.

LOL how the hell did I&W PTO CLN.... seriously have you been smoking weed again Pierre?

Read the sentence again, and see if you can figure it out; all the information is there if you look hard enough!

@pannekoek: It's sad to see Auggy bashing on DemNL, while he is making a really good point here.

@broersje,
'If I look at Joep O's proposed plan, to be honest I find it lacks substance. It is more populist propoganda that I have come to grow accustomed too with DemNL politics, low taxes, high spending and I&W/TDP bashing. Yes I know this article isn;t much better. But the point is this: Is this the direction we want our country to go forward with?'

You can see it as bashing, but atleast he is trying to cease fire.

For one, I see this more for bashing and secon😛 Daniel it was meant to be ironic. Of all the people I thought you would get that.

@ChristiaanB94; Joep O's proposed plan? What are you rambling on about? We, GPN have some sound plans we want to implement together with our esteemed colleagues of demNL.
Ofcourse the oposition is welcome to vote on those plans, as it is for the benefit of the enitire eNL!

On the part of cooperation ather this Joep O/van Spijck I government, you know I'm open for a specialist government.

Another pathetic attempt of I&W to sweet talk their way out of this tax discussion which ends up in a bashing and trolling towards other parties. Some things will never change... 😞

Joep, I guess the timing of wasn't that great I actually didn't mean it offensive more like a joke, so I am offering my sincere apologies for that.

As for:
I&W showed its compassion for this country and was able to put differences aside and built up a great relationship with the TDP now.

The idea Auggustus proposes here is viable and potentially great in my opinion it just requires ALL parties to work together, which will be hard, yet not impossible.

With this I still agree, without any sarcasm or whatsoever😉

I hope that one day the hatches will be burried and eNL can actually life as a great community again.

maybe war will bring us our unity again😉

I just found this quote of MLK jr.

'Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism.'

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Lets go for that revolutionary spirit.

Oh and Joep, I wish you the best of luck!

desculpa for the many grammatical errors

Mr. Sphere, same vice versa and people should just be above it. I still don't like that whole parties are slander during elections on both sides while mainly the people same participate.

Nothing vice versa, if any party is manipulative through media it is I&W.... no wait, i will give you this, if anyone is manipulative in media it is Auggustus who happens to be I&W. I do not want Auggustus his actions to taint all I&W members, that would be unjust. On that note you cannot expect people to just sit there and ignore the slander and abuse anymore. It was bound to happen that people would actually turn against people like Auggustus, enough is enough and therfore I cannot blame people for doing the same to people like him... an eye for an eye. Instead of openly comment on this topic it might be better to have a debat in your own party to have people like Auggy stop this nonsense because he and others are giving your party a bad name. Once the cause stops the countermeasures will cease, I am sure of that. Then and only then things can finally turn to normal.

Well put, Sphere.

Mr. Sphere, there are enough people in other parties that instantly bash and turn down ideas of people they don't like. So I don't agree.

That other people do something does not justify accepting that from your own party members. Chicken and the egg Osxy. It is a valid comment that not only Auggy slanders, I agree with you on that. But if we continue to do because other also do we will end up in a bigger nightmare than we are already in. We need to address the people who are bashing and as parties take our responsibility to address these people to stop this nonsense.

So, your against all the parties working together I take it mr.sphere?

"I think it might be time once again to bring forth an idea a few months ago. That is to create a government that is independent of elections. In other words, you have a fixed number of government positions (MoD, MoF) and then you have people apply to these positions. In discussion with the PP of the oother parties it gets decided who will occupy what gov position. That way we ensure that the government is run by trusted and experienced people."

Wouldn't it be even better to skip elections altogether?

Dem NL gaining arrogance when they think there is a possibility to win. As usual.

@broersje, point 1:
False, as ElGorro bought GPN support in exchange for a VP spot for Mr Sphere.

@FrankieVB: i agree with you, that it's an insane proposal to make elections inrelevant for forming a government. After all, let's not create a poetinismn dictatorship, with parties/presidents who are puppets of the great master himself.

in general: I find it weird, that DemNL and GPN both were never interested in cooperating with TDP party in a government. This could also been seen in the previous proposed CP government by the previous CP candidate of DemNL elgorro. NO representative of TDP was included or even asked by this proposed administration.

And once NoTie112 was elected, they didn't wanted to work together in a government, it's easy always pointing towards others, but some selfreflection in DemNL/GPN would be good.

@Auggy, nope I am against everyone who is using slander and trolling and that includes you unfortunately.

@Garmr, like I said, I am against everyone who uses slander and trolling and that includes you unfortunately.

Seriously you two, if this is the best you have you could not be more pathetic, trolling is a sad sad way of life.