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I thought I might as well post them on here, for non-forum readers to read (as well as giving my newspaper an article once in a while). Thanks to GF for running them once my eyes gave out, as well as wrapping it up at the end.

Bold = new set of questions.

Malta up first.

[20:04] * Brodie sets mode: +v malta_1990
[20:04] [+SaraDroz] welcomskie 🙂
[20:05] [+malta_1990] Is the eUK involved in a North Korean PTO in any way, shape or form?
[20:05] +SaraDroz> No
[20:05] +SaraDroz> what private individuals do is not upto me
[20:05] ~Brodie> There was a thread about it somewhere.
[20:05] +malta_1990> Is Goku organising a PTO of North Korea?
[20:06] +SaraDroz> that is not a government business if he is
[20:06] +malta_1990> Is Goku an arse?
[20:06] +SaraDroz> no
[20:06] +malta_1990> Will we ever see the PM in a mud fight?
[20:07] @Glorious_Failure> Brodie, tell me when theres a gap in the queue, I've got a question
[20:07] +SaraDroz> no
[20:07] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: -v malta_1990
[20:07] @Glorious_Failure> Bad Malta

Glorious Failure

[20:07] ~Brodie> Now.
[20:07] ~Brodie> Go.
[20:07] @Glorious_Failure> The UK has been accused to being a bad ally to ATLANTIS states - what is your response to this?
[20:09] +SaraDroz> considering that we - the Government do not cheat I consider it foolish to spend all our money against such massive cheating that has been going on - even if we has it would have made no difference
[20:10] @Glorious_Failure> But only 60g?
[20:10] @Glorious_Failure> Really?
[20:10] @Glorious_Failure> Thats barely enough for guns, let alone wellness packs
[20:10] @Glorious_Failure> At the very least, you were missing the chance to allow the troops to gain experience
[20:10] +SaraDroz> so far in the last 11 days the military have received 310 gold I believe
[20:11] @Glorious_Failure> So thats less than 30g a day
[20:11] @Glorious_Failure> Thats a pathetic amount really
[20:12] +SaraDroz> yes but what is our income or would uyou bankrupt us against a massive cheat?
[20:12] @Glorious_Failure> What would you do with the money without a country?
[20:12] +SaraDroz> there are many trists and turns in store yet
[20:13] @Glorious_Failure> Yes. Mostly bad ones for the eUK as a whole
[20:13] @Glorious_Failure> With the Romanians appearing to bow out of the conflict, where does that leave europe as a whole?
[20:14] +SaraDroz> it is not the time to give up but to apply our brains and - to waste gold on a non winnable war is pointless
[20:15] +SaraDroz> we don't cheat - they do.
[20:15] @Glorious_Failure> Brainpower will only get you so far in this conflict; the last few days have shown that
[20:15] @Glorious_Failure> You can be as smart as anything and you can still lose
[20:15] +SaraDroz> I will never condone cheating
[20:15] +SaraDroz> got another idea?
[20:16] +SaraDroz> waste our money and leave us defenceless is NOT my option
[20:16] @Glorious_Failure> You're like a broken record cheats this, cheats that.
[20:16] @Glorious_Failure> And you'd be defensless even with the money you have
[20:16] @Glorious_Failure> Seeing as you're so keen to throwing cheating around, think about this
[20:16] +SaraDroz> seriously - look at the logs
[20:16] @Glorious_Failure> What is larger
[20:16] @Glorious_Failure> Infinite gold, or your gold?
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> At the very least you should go out with a bang
[20:17] +SaraDroz> it's not mine
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> Fine, the countries gold
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> If you're going to avoid the point and be a pedant
[20:17] +SaraDroz> my job is to preserve the country
[20:17] ~Brodie> Can we move on, I need a slash, and need to swap askers over ;_;
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> Fine, I'll come back later
[20:17] ~Brodie> Or GF, you can, it's bob next.
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> Bob, you're already voiced
[20:17] ~Brodie> Keep going then
[20:17] @Glorious_Failure> Go
[20:18] ~Brodie> but when you're done, Bob's turn.
[20:18] +The_Bob_Boblo> GF can keep going for as long as he likes as far im concerned
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> lol
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> Fair enough
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> you say you wish to presenve the country - how exactly is this possible in the current situation?
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> Moving troops back, not spending anything on them
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> You're going to claim foul play again I'm sure
[20:18] @Glorious_Failure> But come on
[20:19] +SaraDroz> moving troops back was an MoD decision
[20:19] @Glorious_Failure> Fair enough - my point still stands however
[20:20] @Glorious_Failure> Spreading the blame around isn't going to help you in the slightest
[20:21] +SaraDroz> I agree we are in a tight spot but we shall not go under without a fight and at least we still have funds left and did not waste them against a massive cheat that we could not have won and would have left us defenceless
[20:21] @Glorious_Failure> So you're going to waste them at a later date against the supposed cheat
[20:21] @Glorious_Failure> Good job!
[20:22] +SaraDroz> we shall wait and already have some plans for the future
[20:22] @Glorious_Failure> You could've instead used that money in WSR in the last hour or so and maybe, just maybe have won
[20:22] @Glorious_Failure> I doubt they're any good, and are of no consequence
[20:22] +SaraDroz> lol sure
[20:23] @Glorious_Failure> Lets take the example of the Hunagarians on the day of battle
[20:23] +SaraDroz> they would have cheated again
[20:23] @Glorious_Failure> Do you know how they raised the gold to take the wall down?
[20:23] +SaraDroz> not directly
[20:24] @Glorious_Failure> Individual citizens donated whatever they could to the troops
[20:24] @Glorious_Failure> Everyone formed together and did that
[20:24] @Glorious_Failure> Why were you unable to start such a movement?
[20:24] +SaraDroz> to the sum of 4000 gold?
[20:24] @Glorious_Failure> The Hungarians alone raised at least a 1000 in the last few hours alone
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> Again; why could the UK government not start such a movement?
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> I'm sure most citizens would've been happy to help
[20:25] +SaraDroz> 4000 gold we estimate they spent there - not all this can be real
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> Again you're on about the cheats
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> Answer
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> The
[20:25] @Glorious_Failure> Question
[20:26] @Glorious_Failure> Stop deflecting your failings onto outside sources
[20:26] @Glorious_Failure> You, and your administration failed
[20:26] +SaraDroz> they can do that perhaps and maybe even honestly but would eUK ppl pay all their gold to help Romania?
[20:27] @Glorious_Failure> No one said all their gold
[20:27] @Glorious_Failure> Like I said, a few gold a person, that adds up fast
[20:27] @Glorious_Failure> And it wasn't just Romania they'd be helping
[20:27] +SaraDroz> would eUK citizens pay 100 gold for them then?
[20:27] @Glorious_Failure> As a result of your inaction the eUK is now a laughing stock - even more than before
[20:27] ~Brodie> http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/brave-atlantis-soldiers1-801019/1/20
[20:27] @Glorious_Failure> And, even worse, the Romanian empire has fallen
[20:28] @Glorious_Failure> This will undoubtedly result in the possibly of PEACE walking through to you
[20:28] @Glorious_Failure> So technically, they'd be helping the UK directly
[20:28] @Glorious_Failure> At the very least, would it have hurt to try?
[20:28] +SaraDroz> sure and you think they'd do so?
[20:29] @Glorious_Failure> You wouldn't raise the same amount as the Hungarians, no
[20:29] @Glorious_Failure> Smaller population, worse economy wouldn't help
[20:29] @Glorious_Failure> However
[20:29] @Glorious_Failure> Would it have hurt?
[20:29] +SaraDroz> since I took over ALL our military have been in Romania
[20:29] @Glorious_Failure> And underfunded!
[20:29] +SaraDroz> bankrupt us you would
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> What are you, Yoda?
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> And yes, I would
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> Like I said, unless you plan on defecting to PEACE, your ass is grass
[2😇0] +SaraDroz> on a war you unable to win
[2😇0] +SaraDroz> you have no solution hon
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> And what is your solution?
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> Sit on your hands and whine?
[2😇0] @Glorious_Failure> Thats a great idea
[2😇1] @Glorious_Failure> Seriously
[2😇1] +SaraDroz> bankruptcy and resign is ur policy
[2😇1] @Glorious_Failure> That wouldn't be my piolicy at all
[2😇1] @Glorious_Failure> But I'd at the very least do SOMETHING
[2😇1] @Glorious_Failure> I'd spend a lot more than you would, yes
[2😇1] @Glorious_Failure> That doesn't mean bankruptcy
[2😇2] +SaraDroz> we have realised stupidity when needed
[2😇2] +SaraDroz> and HexXA could always have asked for more
[2😇2] @Glorious_Failure> Again, shifting the blame
[2😇2] @Glorious_Failure> Don't do that
[2😇3] @Glorious_Failure> You are in charge - guess where the buck stops
[2😇3] +SaraDroz> I said it in public discvussion too
[2😇3] @Glorious_Failure> You've spread the blame in public discussion as well?
[2😇3] @Glorious_Failure> gj
[2😇3] @Glorious_Failure> And why not be proactive about the whole thing?
[2😇3] @Glorious_Failure> You knew full well there was a fucking huge war on
[2😇4] @Glorious_Failure> Why not just give the money
[2😇5] +SaraDroz> hell I have NOT received a request for extra funding - those that I have recived have been answered but I ask you once more why? when we fight fair and they get gold out of thin air?
[2😇5] @Glorious_Failure> ...
[2😇5] @Glorious_Failure> The Romanians have been wanting allies to open new fronts for weeks
[2😇5] @Glorious_Failure> If you had opned a front to anywhere
[2😇5] @Glorious_Failure> PEACE would have had a much harder time in the battles
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> Shit, they may not have even been able to attack both places at once
[2😇6] +SaraDroz> it was being voted in war council as the law requires
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> Vote faster
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> If it took more than weeks, you're doing it wrong
[2😇6] +SaraDroz> sure my fault
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> Yes
1[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> 100%
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> I'm not even going to blame Goku for this
[2😇6] +SaraDroz> end of question
[2😇6] @Glorious_Failure> This was your fault
[2😇7] @Glorious_Failure> And thus I leave with far less confidence in your regime than before
[2😇7] @Glorious_Failure> Anyone else got anything to say?
[2😇7] +The_Bob_Boblo> I believe I was next[

Bob

[2😇7] +The_Bob_Boblo> ?
[2😇7] @Glorious_Failure> gogo
[2😇7] +SaraDroz> hon I warned Spain before last Congress election of this
[2😇8] +The_Bob_Boblo> Do you now think it is imperative that we join PEACE?
[2😇8] +SaraDroz> no
[2😇8] +The_Bob_Boblo> Why? What other option do we have?
[2😇9] ~Brodie> He's finished? 😮
[2😇9] ~Brodie> I was about to cook a small chicken.
[2😇9] * @Glorious_Failure slaps Brodie around a bit with a large trout
[2😇9] ~Brodie> ;_;
[2😇9] +SaraDroz> we cannot make any vital decisions right now until we know what exactly is the aftermath
[20:40] +The_Bob_Boblo> Isn't it obvious? PEACE are in a position to steam roll Europe and our allies distrust us
[20:40] +SaraDroz> I am doing my best to get the Romanians to eUK
[20:41] +The_Bob_Boblo> erm.....can you elaborate on that 😒
[20:41] +SaraDroz> well we could offer them a home...
[20:42] +The_Bob_Boblo> Before or after we become a PEACE province and have to learn indonesian?
[20:42] +SaraDroz> we shall not do that and allies trust us
[20:42] +The_Bob_Boblo> Trust us? Did you SEE that article?!
[20:43] +The_Bob_Boblo> We're a laughing stock
[20:43] +SaraDroz> the USA and Spain trust us
[20:43] @Glorious_Failure> And they're in as much shit as the rest
[20:43] @Glorious_Failure> just sayin'
[20:43] +The_Bob_Boblo> USA did nothing for Romania, why would they help us
[20:44] +SaraDroz> we're all in a tight spot and that more reson for more trust
[20:44] +The_Bob_Boblo> So why didn't we help romania?
[20:45] +SaraDroz> Bob from day 1 - my first order was for all troops to go to Romania
[20:45] +The_Bob_Boblo> But we had plenty funds to do more than we did
[20:46] +SaraDroz> another one who advicates bankruptcy against a cheat wall?
[20:47] +The_Bob_Boblo> All we had to do was open another front
[20:47] +The_Bob_Boblo> And whining about cheats will not help us if Indo invade
[20:47] +The_Bob_Boblo> AND, you still haven't put forward a viable alternative to joining PEACE
[20:47] +SaraDroz> yes we considered attacking France and I was happy to do so but this needs War Council and Congress vote
[20:48] +The_Bob_Boblo> You just needed war council
[20:48] +SaraDroz> Congress need to declare war
[20:48] +The_Bob_Boblo> and the war council said yes(!)
[20:49] +The_Bob_Boblo> And did you not have plenty time to do this?
[20:49] +SaraDroz> no this was brought up only yesterday
[20:50] +The_Bob_Boblo> It was a world war and you said yourself you saw a cheat wall coming
[20:50] +The_Bob_Boblo> How could you not have known this was going to happen?
[20:51] +SaraDroz> the prospect of French invasion was never discussed before yesterday
[20:51] +The_Bob_Boblo> Why not?
[20:51] +The_Bob_Boblo> Why didn't you bring it for discussion?
[20:51] +The_Bob_Boblo> Isn't that what a good leader would have done?
[20:52] +SaraDroz> simply because nobody in Atlantis knew the full scale of the what was happening
[20:52] +The_Bob_Boblo> So is not another example of how PEACE are a better option?
[20:53] +SaraDroz> we shall not join Peace in my premiership
[20:53] +The_Bob_Boblo> Why not?
[20:55] +SaraDroz> listen our backs are againsta wall I agree - is this time to give up and and betray ur allies? No!
[20:55] +The_Bob_Boblo> We already have
[20:56] +The_Bob_Boblo> And atlantis aren't good allies
[20:56] +The_Bob_Boblo> except maybe sweden
[20:56] +The_Bob_Boblo> Peace has a much better record of helping allies
[20:57] +SaraDroz> well by all mean your vote is is your own but surrender I would argue is not worthy
[20:57] +The_Bob_Boblo> It wouldn't be a surrender
[20:57] +The_Bob_Boblo> It would be a defection
[20:58] +The_Bob_Boblo> And tbh who could blame us?
[20:58] +SaraDroz> I'm sure we'd be made welcome but I for one will not betray my loyalty
[20:59] +The_Bob_Boblo> You already have!
[20:59] +The_Bob_Boblo> We failed Romania!
[21:00] +SaraDroz> seriously Bob you cannot say that when ALL our troops have been there since the 6th
[21:00] +The_Bob_Boblo> We had plenty of funds and time to do more
[21:00] @Glorious_Failure> And underfunded
[21:00] +The_Bob_Boblo> Anyways I'm done, GF already covered that and your obviously not gonna answer properly
[21:00] +The_Bob_Boblo> One last thing
[21:00] +The_Bob_Boblo> for shyguy 😉
[21:00] +SaraDroz> so we'd end up here now with less money?
[21:01] +The_Bob_Boblo> PEACE AT HOME,PEACE IN THE WORLD
[21:01] +The_Bob_Boblo> No we could have won
[21:01] +The_Bob_Boblo> But like I said GF covered that half an hour ago
[21:01] +SaraDroz> not a hope unless you advocate we cheat
[21:01] +SaraDroz> yes we know the cheats
[21:02] +SaraDroz> should we have used them?
[21:02] +The_Bob_Boblo> We did have a hope
[21:02] +SaraDroz> you are kidding urself
[21:02] +The_Bob_Boblo> We could have spent more and opened another front
[21:03] +The_Bob_Boblo> And so could our other atlantis 'allies'
[21:03] @kumnaa> time for a different question ?
[21:04] +SaraDroz> certainly that we could have done and it was going through but takes Conrgress 24hrs after War Council


Malta again

[21:05] +SaraDroz> hi Malta
[21:06] +malta_1990> Is the eUK government planning any VAT or Income Tax changes?
[21:06] +SaraDroz> yes
[21:06] +malta_1990> care to elaborate?
[21:06] +SaraDroz> VAT lowering
[21:06] +malta_1990> erm....in?
[21:06] +SaraDroz> all
[21:07] +malta_1990> was expecting a little more info. is this the one word answer show?
[21:07] +SaraDroz> our trade is now restored
[21:07] +malta_1990> - how will you go about fixing the current ridicule of the eUK armed forces?
[21:07] ~Brodie>
[21:08] +malta_1990> - how will you go about fixing the current ridicule of the eUK armed forces?
[21:08] +SaraDroz> no hon but I have asked the MoF to work out a full tax reduction plan and cost it and until I get his report I can only only say what I asked him to do
[21:10] +malta_1990> next question? - how will you go about fixing the current ridicule of the eUK armed forces?
[21:11] +malta_1990> why is the navy being disbanded before Corps Act went to congress?
[21:12] +malta_1990> does Goku have too much power?
[21:13] +SaraDroz> we must live within our means - the military wre told to ask for more funds if they needed I accept that the recent battles were pivotal but I do no t believe that without cheating our gold reserves have affected it - sure we could have cheated with orgs etc and perhaps should have but playing fair it was a no win situation
[21:14] +SaraDroz> the Navy will no be disbanded until and if the Corps Bill Bill is passed
[21:15] +SaraDroz> Goku has done an excellect job in sorting out the Raleigh treaty imo - in what way too much power?
[21:15] +malta_1990> his attitude to foreign diplomats has been offensive at times
[21:16] +malta_1990> has he been reprimanded?
[21:16] +SaraDroz> reprimanded? I call it educated
[21:17] +malta_1990> did you warn him?
[21:17] ~Brodie> My eyes hurt ;_; can we move on before I need to wear glasses >_>
[21:17] +SaraDroz> I took him away from certain matters
[21:18] +malta_1990> Can you ensure that Corps would be loyal yto MoD/
[21:19] ~Brodie> I've been told to be agressive, so last question,
[21:19] ~Brodie> 😁
[21:19] +SaraDroz> if they want MoD funding - same as Navy has now sort of thing yes
[21:19] +malta_1990> HEIL KUMNAA - farewell fellow insects[/quote]

Vyse

[21:20] +SaraDroz> hi Vyse 🙂
[21:20] +Vyse> Good evening Sara
[21:20] +Vyse> Now my question is simply this. Cheating put to one side a momment is there anything you think the eUK can do to save ATLANTIS now?
[21:21] +SaraDroz> yes
[21:21] +Vyse> I'm gonna need a little more than yes
[21:21] +SaraDroz> howver I know we have peace spies here
[21:22] +Vyse> Could you point them out?
[21:22] +SaraDroz> Collins?
[21:22] * ~Brodie blindfolds Collins
[21:22] ~Brodie> 😁
[21:23] +Vyse> Former Irish President Collins? Well he's more Anti-Romanian than Pro-PEACE in my eyes.
[21:23] +SaraDroz> I believe that we can move forward
[21:23] +Vyse> If you wish. Though I believe a little more information wouldn't of hurt your public.
[21:24] +SaraDroz> it will be hard and it may be that that Hungary and Indonesia come to blows
[21:25] +SaraDroz> at the moment we need the Romanians to stop quitting
[21:25] +Vyse> Very well my next question. If the cheats continue and Romania is defeated absolutly if it is not already. Would the UK look towards a new foreign policy? Perhaps a revevial of the Northern Alliance?
[21:25] +Vyse> *revival
[21:26] +SaraDroz> certainly if Atlantis give up eUK is welcome to all suggestions
[21:27] +SaraDroz> but we shall NOT give up on Atlantis
[21:27] +Vyse> The main thing that lets ATLANTIS down in my eyes is not just co-ordination but trust. In the olden times. Ireland and the UK had a very sturdy Alliance with Norway and Sweden. Is it possibly to mend the trust within ATLANTIS?
[21:28] +Vyse> Given that PEACE seem more united as brothers. Though that comes with winning. Moral is of course high there.
[21:28] +Vyse> How will you go about raising moral?
[21:29] +SaraDroz> it may be - imo Atlantis grew too big with minor states but I cannot forsee the future
[21:29] +Vyse> Minor States?
[21:29] +SaraDroz> our moral comes now from need
[21:31] ~Brodie> Last question after this Vyse?
[21:31] +SaraDroz> Israel and greece etc - whilst the motive is honourable we have committed ourselves too widely
[21:31] +Vyse> Sure last question.
[21:31] +SaraDroz> that's a personal opinion
[21:32] +Vyse> As a Super Alliance that was founded for security. Do you not feel you are obligated to help smaller countries rather than maintaining the Empire?
[21:33] +Vyse> The Romanian Empire I mean of course.
[21:35] +SaraDroz> well looking back I can why might think that but no I believe the single biggest mistake Atlantis in my elife was Romanian PTO of Russia . Otherwise Romania may not have been the 'front line'
[21:36] ~Brodie> Done?
[21:37] +SaraDroz> it could have been that the main war in S.America

Rastari

[21:37] +SaraDroz> hi hi penguin 🙂
[21:37] ~Brodie> Rastari you have 2 mins, that's it.
[21:38] +rastari5> you said that you would consider different alliances if atlantis collapsed, would this include peace? or would it more likely be our own alliance?
[21:40] +rastari5> if you were a mario character who would it be?
[21:40] * Brodie sets mode: -v rastari5
[21:40] ~Brodie> Done 😛
[21:40] +SaraDroz> preferably IF Atlantis collapsed then our own - a new world with one alliance and now ar is dull

Imperator

[21:40] +Imperator> good evening my dear
[21:40] +SaraDroz> hi hi CJ 🙂
[21:41] +Imperator> i'll start off by asking by why PEACE is not a valid alternative to Atlantis when Romania is highly corrupt and is seeing it's last days?
[21:42] +Imperator> and as others have mentioned PEACE is a more closer-nit alliance?
[21:43] +SaraDroz> Peace are bigger cheat - recently we have seen a game of who's the best cheat? the answer is obvious. eUK does not cheat
[21:44] +Imperator> not all of PEACE cheat either, and it is only a last resort to end the war
[21:45] +SaraDroz> we also could have done so and looking back perhaps should have but I will not lower mys
[21:50] +Imperator> how will you be lowering yourself? Atlantis is virtually falling apart anyway and if you do not join, your successor will
[21:51] +SaraDroz> that is upto them and I predict many a twist yet
[21:52] +SaraDroz> the game is not over 'till it's over
[21:52] +Imperator> do you predict they will advocate PEACE membership though?
[21:52] +SaraDroz> no - I have no idea who may come after me
[21:53] +Imperator> it's not down on the individual, it will be decided on the situation
[21:54] +Imperator> next question, earlier you implied Collins is a PEACE spy, why so? as an ex-spy i know how one works, besides he is busy in Éire fighting my campaign to stop him unlawfully TOing a political party
[21:54] +SaraDroz> that will be their decision then - my deicision is honour and to stand by our allies
[21:54] +SaraDroz> well I know he tanks for them
[21:55] +Imperator> tanks? sorry i'm unaware of that term
[21:55] ~Brodie> Paying people gold to fight.
[21:55] ~Brodie> With mass amounts. Usually have good hits.
[21:55] +Imperator> ahh
[21:56] +Imperator> well we are still technically enemies of Romania
[21:56] +Imperator> and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the eUK is irrelevent in this
[21:57] +Imperator> next question, why was GokuJones made MoFA and are you aware of his tactless approach in diplomacy?
[21:58] ~Brodie> Can this be last question for now, people have to go soon ;_;
[21:58] ~Brodie> You can come back later if you want.
[21:58] +SaraDroz> actualy you MoFa and he get on well on other matters he still has to learn but overall I think he has good ideas
[21:59] +Imperator> that's good, but you do agree that a diplomat requires poise and experience political experience beforehand?
[21:59] +SaraDroz> they must also learn
[22:00] +SaraDroz> kk you want out Brodie?
[22:00] +Imperator> through gradual means, they can't be thrown in to the international community
[22:00] ~Brodie> Not me personally.
[22:00] ~Brodie> Just other people want to speak.
[22:00] +SaraDroz> kk
[22:00] +Imperator> that was my final question

Mosheninkov

[22:01] +Mosheninkov> Okay
[22:01] +SaraDroz> hi hi 🙂
[22:01] +Mosheninkov> [16:26:35] certainly if Atlantis give up eUK is welcome to all suggestions
[22:01] +Mosheninkov> [16:29:32] it may be - imo Atlantis grew too big with minor states but I cannot forsee the future
[22:01] +Mosheninkov> Minor states such as Greece gave birth to PEACE
[22:01] +Mosheninkov> which is currently trouncing ATLANTIS
[22:02] +Mosheninkov> You've said that you would not consider having the UK join PEACE
[22:02] +SaraDroz> and your question?
[22:02] +Mosheninkov> but if a splinter alliance were to form would you work to keep so-called "minor states" from joining?
[22:03] +SaraDroz> not at all - that would be upto any new alliance
[22:03] +Mosheninkov> well you say that ATLANTIS grew too big with minor states
[22:04] +Mosheninkov> over half of PEACE's membership is what I assume you would consider minor states
[22:04] +SaraDroz> it's a personal opinion
[22:04] +Mosheninkov> I understand that but opinions play a part in decision making
[22:05] +Mosheninkov> another question, if the UK withdraws from ATLANTIS, will it maintain MPPs with ATLANTIS members?
[22:06] +SaraDroz> well any new alliance would have set it's own terms and for that I cannot say obviously, for now we stay with Atlantis and its minor states
[22:06] +SaraDroz> eUK will NOT during my term withraw from Atlantis
[22:07] +SaraDroz> unless the HoC vote it I suppose
[22:07] +Mosheninkov> At what point would you determine that British membership in ATLANTIS was more detrimental to the security of the UK than it is helpful?
[22:08] +SaraDroz> now but that is not the point
[22:09] +SaraDroz> the point is our law

LordJustice & Wellesley

[22:09] @Glorious_Failure> Next up
[22:09] +LordJustice> hi
[22:09] +SaraDroz> hi hi 🙂
[22:10] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: +v Wellesley
[22:10] +Wellesley> Hey Sara
[22:10] @Glorious_Failure> This is a joint thing as I understand it
[22:10] +Wellesley> LJ is going to be asking my questions for me, I'm literally on my way out the door
[22:10] +SaraDroz> ok
[22:10] +Wellesley> We'll be communicating via MSN
[22:10] +Wellesley> So what he asks mostly represents my own mind
[22:10] +Wellesley> I've got to go now
[22:10] +Wellesley> LJ, you're up
[22:10] +LordJustice> cool
[22:11] +LordJustice> First question. Even befor the fall of Romania, the Sweden and Germany situation shwed that ATLANTIS could not settle matters within the alliance. Why should we continue in it
[22:12] +SaraDroz> becuase we are required to do so - by the terms of the treaty and by honour
[22:13] +LordJustice> However, the treaty is not working when members are threatening each other. that defeats the purpose of the alliance
[22:13] +SaraDroz> should we leave our friends when things look bad? No!
[22:14] +SaraDroz> that is being resolved
[22:14] +LordJustice> What is your stand on british neutrality if a vote to take us out of ATLANTIS is successful
[22:15] +SaraDroz> I believe all families squabble
[22:15] +SaraDroz> I would regard neutrality as a bad option
[22:16] +LordJustice> Have you looked at Finlandization as a policy?
[22:17] +SaraDroz> what u mean by that?
[22:17] @Glorious_Failure> Whats Finlandization in English? |:
[22:18] +LordJustice> Basically
[22:19] +LordJustice> You are non-aligned like Austria is in RL.
[22:19] +SaraDroz> bad idea imo
[22:19] +LordJustice> Why?
[22:20] +SaraDroz> independance means death
[22:21] +LordJustice> Even when the current situation could mean the same thing?
[22:21] +SaraDroz> might yes but but we stand with our friends
[22:22] +LordJustice> that is all from Arthur. Thanks
[22:22] +SaraDroz> yw

An anon

@Glorious_Failure> Anyone else?
[22:22] +SaraDroz> woot!
[22:23] +SaraDroz> any more?
[22:23] @Glorious_Failure> 1 sec
[22:24] @Glorious_Failure> I've only got anons PMing me
[22:24] @Glorious_Failure> And I've got a no ANons policy
[22:24] +SaraDroz> I don't questions fro anons
[22:25] @Glorious_Failure> Quick question from an anon - a valid one - "'In your own PERSONAL opinion - do you think ATLANTIS will win? Yes or No.'"
[22:26] +SaraDroz> hmmm I cannot forsee the future but atm it looks unlikely

Hoth

@Glorious_Failure> Hoth, you're up
[22:27] +Hoth> Atlantis WILL win
[22:27] +SaraDroz> hi Hoth 🙂
[22:27] +Hoth> sorry
[22:27] +Hoth> hey
[22:27] +Hoth> firstly
[22:27] +Hoth> im goign to rasie that point that Annon just did
[22:27] +SaraDroz> and?
[22:27] +Hoth> i believe his question, althoguh gd, lacked a time phrase
[22:28] +Hoth> and i believe in time for those who perserver ATLANTIS will win
[22:28] +SaraDroz> so?
[22:28] +Hoth> but i want to know
[22:28] +Hoth> where do u see ATLANTIS in say a months time
[22:29] +SaraDroz> a month is a long time in erep lol - I can tell you what I would like but not I have no crystal ball
[22:29] +Hoth> gd answer
[22:29] +Hoth> i like that
[22:29] +Hoth> anyway
[22:29] +Hoth> moving on
[22:30] +Hoth> you will recall as most of us do the excitement u promised us in your manifesto
[22:30] +Hoth> the chance to fight
[22:30] +SaraDroz> yes
[22:30] +Hoth> yyes the army brought this to some
[22:30] +SaraDroz> training wars are due to resume shortly
[22:30] +Hoth> but as the Romania conflict looks to slow soon i tlk more of our own borders
[22:31] +Hoth> yes but they are following the Ireland USA mess up
[22:31] +Hoth> which had huge costs and therefore obviosuly i am assuming was not intentional
[22:31] +Hoth> so is the UK going to expand beyond the training field as an ally?
[22:32] +Hoth> i mean to say, will we soon be flying our own colours in battle?
[22:33] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: -v Hoth
[22:33] @Glorious_Failure> Hoth said he's done
[22:33] +SaraDroz> this is in war Council but Atlantis must now seriously re-adjust and consider - until we have an organised strategy we cannot decide our part.
[22:34] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: +v Hoth
[22:34] @Glorious_Failure> Wish people would make their mind up 😨 [22:34] +Hoth> lol
[22:34] +Hoth> sorry
[22:35] +Hoth> What cna those citizens at home do who want to get involved but see themselves surrounded by secrecy and policy?
[22:35] +SaraDroz> train and join the military!
[22:36] +SaraDroz> many wrs are coming
[22:36] +Hoth> and you belive the UK has enough gold to see is safely through to the other side
[22:37] +SaraDroz> no - we do not cheat but one way or another eUK WILL come through this intact
[22:37] +Hoth> is that refering to my suggestion about Media Mongul Medals
[22:37] @Glorious_Failure> what.
[22:38] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: -v Hoth
[22:38] @Glorious_Failure> Stop talking drivel

Ryan

[22:40] +Ryan> Basically, in the HoC, some people are now doubting the Corps are even a good idea. When Romania needed us we really couldn't help because the Navy is being taken apart. Some would call this an epic fail on the governments' part.
[22:40] +Ryan> What will happen if another friend is attacked? We are not ready for this - the switchover to try and initiate the Corps was unorganised.
[22:41] +Ryan> I've spoken to MP's and they are all saying they do not approve of the bill that's been proposed and think it's too open to exploitation.
[22:41] +Ryan> What is going to be done about this to try and solve our problem quickly? The UK Military is currently ... more or less defunct.
[22:42] +SaraDroz> the Navy is still in existence and Corps personnel (apart from Camelot) are in the Navy
[22:42] +Ryan> But even then, the Corps aren't ready and we're 10 days into your term.
[22:42] +SaraDroz> we need HoC to vote through the Corps
[22:43] +Ryan> Then Congress will discuss over the Corps bill and make changes and it goes to vote - and if people vote no what's going to happen then?
[22:43] +SaraDroz> I have to obey law
[22:43] +SaraDroz> then we go to nationalisation
[22:43] +Ryan> Yes, you do. But Democracy is a part of this game - we can't ask them to vote yes when really we can't MAKE it happen. It's all voting.
[22:44] +Ryan> So if Congress vote 'NO'.
[22:44] +Ryan> What's next?
[22:44] +SaraDroz> we do plan B
[22:44] +Ryan> And Plan B is?
[22:45] +SaraDroz> and that is MoD has quartermaster structure and we give them supply companies
[22:47] +Ryan> And what about funding?
[22:47] +Ryan> 50G per corps is what people are saying could work, but really we don't actually know.
[22:47] +SaraDroz> funding would then be less cos less private money would be raised
[22:47] +Ryan> Does the Government have the money to keep us Training Wars, the Corps and if needed REAL wars?
[22:48] +SaraDroz> yes
[22:48] +Ryan> The Wellness Fast system.
[22:48] +Ryan> Now it went through a reform.
[22:48] +Ryan> Well, it kinda still is.
[22:49] +SaraDroz> yep it's working well
[22:49] +Ryan> About it only working for the Navy. Now is it just me, or is that a little pointless? The Navy will get Wellness from it. But the typical citizen is the one it's MEANT to help.
[22:49] +SaraDroz> ppl are signing up for the Navy to get it
[22:50] +SaraDroz> if a citizen CAN move he/she should be in the Navy
[22:51] +Ryan> So it's a matter of "be in the Navy or be a politician". What about people that just want to work. But can't - because their wellness is too low. But they don't want to join the Navy?
[22:51] +Ryan> These are the people that could potentially suffer in the long term, no?
[22:51] +SaraDroz> this we are deciding on
[22:51] @Glorious_Failure> Can wrap this up soon?
[22:52] @Glorious_Failure> I cba watching this channel as well as others tbh
[22:52] +SaraDroz> yes one more person
[22:52] +Ryan> You don't need to watch it. 😛
[22:52] @Glorious_Failure> I need to move voices aruond
[22:52] +Ryan> Just to wrap it off for me:
[22:53] +Ryan> The Corps are going slow, and they seem to be slowly failing since they ARE getitng less support everyday. This is NOT debateable on. Look around the forums, you can see that the support is slowly decreasing.
[22:53] +Ryan> How are YOU as a LEADER, going to lead us to victory, war (and wellness) if we can't even get our Armies (Corps) straightened out?
[22:54] +Ryan> Plan B would not be able to be completed this term. No way.
[22:55] +Ryan> And by that time - you may re-run but then again... if someone else wins then basically they could set-up a completely different system and the Corps would just be a facade.
[22:56] +SaraDroz> I may be the PM but the Corps proposal is not all upto me. Once it has gone through HoC I think you judge - not now
[22:56] +Ryan> Your the one who went for it in your Manifesto.
[22:57] +Ryan> If it fails then the failure will - no doubt - be pinned onto one person.
[22:57] +SaraDroz> I shall do my best to get it through and I believe it will go through HoC
[22:57] +Ryan> And that's you.
[22:57] +SaraDroz> in then end HoC must decide though
[22:57] +Ryan> If they decide against it... then really - we're fudged.
[22:58] +Ryan> Back to the drawing board.
[22:58] +SaraDroz> no then we do Plan B
[22:58] +Ryan> Is Plan B thought out more than Plan A?
[22:58] +SaraDroz> yes
[22:58] +Ryan> .. Why does that worry me
[22:58] +Ryan> That the back-up plan is thought out more than the original?
[22:58] +SaraDroz> Plan is well thought out too
[22:59] +Ryan> Just let me fix-this-up.
[22:59] +Ryan> If you had thought out Plan A (corps) in the beginning PROPERLY... would there be need for a Plan B?
[22:59] +SaraDroz> Plan A captures private capital - Plan B doesn't
[23:00] +SaraDroz> Plan B is the PCP idea
[23:00] +Ryan> Where's the UKRP policy in this?
[23:00] +SaraDroz> I prefer private investment
[23:00] +Ryan> TUP went for something like this in their Manifesto.
[23:01] +Ryan> And if their idea that is was built around on you switch to PCP?
[23:01] +Ryan> Where's the original ideas?
[23:01] +SaraDroz> Iain and I had consulted on this for some time
[23:01] +Ryan> Possibly not long enough.
[23:02] +Ryan> Iain and you consulted on it.
[23:02] +SaraDroz> the origional iudea was mine when I first joined the Navy and consulted with Will and horse - it has grown since then
[23:03] +Ryan> When was this?
[23:03] +SaraDroz> long ago
[23:04] +Ryan> I suppose we really need to give the original idea to Indonesia.
[23:04] +Ryan> Yes? No?
[23:04] +SaraDroz> we knew nothing of Indo military then
[23:05] +Ryan> "then"? When was that?
[23:05] +Ryan> When did you first coin the ... concept?
[23:05] +SaraDroz> I simply suggested our Platoon pooling our resources to start a supply company
[23:06] +Ryan> Ahh.
[23:06] +Ryan> Okay. Last question (actually):
[23:06] +Ryan> I don't want any "crystal ball" stuff. I want a straight answer.
[23:08] +Ryan> Do you think removingthe Royal Guard (and basically disassembling the large majority of the military) was a bad idea? Should it have waited until the Corps were ready?
[23:09] +SaraDroz> the Royal Guard have not been removed
[23:09] +Ryan> They will be, no?
[23:09] +SaraDroz> no
[23:09] +Ryan> Good.
[23:09] +Ryan> So should this all have waited until the Corps were ready?
[23:10] +Ryan> And not STUCK in DEVELOPMENT HELL?
[23:10] @Glorious_Failure> The corps = Duke Nukem Forever?
[23:10] +SaraDroz> the Corps need to be ready before the RN ends or you would accuse me ogf not having planned it before
[23:11] +Ryan> I'm accusing you of that now.
[23:11] +SaraDroz> the Corps will be ready - we will not have a wait 2 weeks
[23:11] +Ryan> What happened to leaving it to the HoC?
[23:11] +Ryan> And Plan B?
[23:12] +Ryan> You're certain now?
[23:12] @Glorious_Failure> Alright, you've got 3 minutes
[23:12] @Glorious_Failure> I'm closing at 23:15 my time
[23:12] @Glorious_Failure> This has gone on long enough
[23:12] +Ryan> That is it.
[23:12] @Glorious_Failure> o/
[23:12] @Glorious_Failure> \/
[23:12] +Ryan> I'm just finishing by saying she said they will be ready.
[23:13] +Ryan> And I'm asking what happened to Plan B and the vote.
[23:13] +SaraDroz> HoC must decide otherwise we lose private funding - I have explained all this and will not repeat myself again
[23:13] +Ryan> Then I'm done.
[23:14] @Glorious_Failure> EXCELLENT
[23:14] +Ryan> 🙂
[23:14] * Glorious_Failure sets mode: -m[/quote]

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