The alliance "manipulation"[EDIT]
eDarkAngel
The new alliance competition has begun, however there is some very strange interim results as we can see from the new and especially ugly button that was added on the left.
EDEN is leading and second is FOE, while 4FUN is way behind. The simple question is since the diference between 4FUN damage and EDEN damage was of upwards of 20-30% in the last days in the e-gov site, where does the huge discrepancy come from. Allowing for that the statistic of the e-gov site may not be 100% accurate it still is imposible to be off by that much, currently EDEN has 60%+ more damage then 4FUN, while according to the data from e-gov they had -20% (and more) less before today.
So I looked at the rules of the competition again to figure out where the catch is and found it:
"Damage counting
The damage will be counted based on the country. During the whole week, all the damage hit for a country’s side, by both allies and local citizens, will count for the alliance the country is in. For example, in a battle of eRomania – eHungary the damage dealt by both eRomania and it’s allies on Romania’s side will count for the alliance eRomania is in. Same goes for eHungary."
What they failed to mention, intentionally or not is that it will only count as "allies" to those countries in the "same alliance" as stated by the presidents of the countries in question, so when Serbia fights for Bulgaria, with which it has an MPP and by the mechanics of the game both countries are considered allies, though not part of a formal out of game alliance (out of game because there are no game mechanics other then MPP for being allies in-game), it's damage does not count towards the competition.
This is of course not apparent at all from the text and I would go further and say that the text is intentionally deceiving to create the impression that it is not so, but is the only way to explain the curent discrepancy in the damage dealt by all "alliances" in the competition.
That raises a more important question, why was this hidden and we were deceived. Simple answer is to influence the battles in the game and change the status quo, congrats Romper you finally got the admins doing your bidding.
Simply put if Poland and Serbia and Hungary fight for Bulgaria they do not get damage towards the competition so they would be "stimulated" to fight in their own battles, same goes for Bulgaria and CoT and any other country. Not surprisingly all of EDEN stuck together as if on command and thus it stands to benefit from this competition or at least that is the hope.
It is basically either let EDEN win the competition and place it's logo on the game page and try to "launder" it's tarnished reputation this way or let EDEN win it's battles with ease. Well all of EDEN is fighting Bulgaria and CoT exclusively right now so that would not be hard if 4FUN fought for the competition.
Of course if everyone was aware of this, then there would have been one solitary alliance against EDEN and then the result would have been exactly the opposite, hence the need for the deception.
It is sad when the admins use such methods to try to directly influence the result of battles and wars and I sincerely hope that the players in the game will not allow this to happen and will continue to fight as before and may the more worthy win.
To me the scoring must be change that the damage done by a country in any battle of a country with which it has an MPP with be counted towards the damage done by the alliance the said country is a member of for the duration of the competition. Everything else is a direct attempt of the admins to change the status quo in the game unparalleled to this point.
We all know EDEN is a cash cow to the admins and they will do anything to prop up the rotten alliance, however this is going way too far as a means to prop it up.
EDIT
The admins have answered the ticket and though there are still some discrepancies this is how the counting happens:
If a player fights through an MPP no matter to what country the MPP is, the damage he does is added to the damage done by the "temporary alliance" the country participating in the battle belongs to.
For example if a Serbian player fights through MPP for Bulgaria against Argentina his damage gets counted for the alliance of which Bulgaria is a part of.
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Статия на Стоич по - кратка от пет листа А3 аз не чета - изглежда ми някак си фейк :Д
True story !
Another disgrace by the admins.
yea one more time its EDEN fault !!!
sad story
Who cares, let them put their logo wherever they want. They will still be losers, but with logo on FB.
This alliance thing is so ridiculous...
I agree that it's not the best method, but your article sounds more like whining about the admins being unfair than actually trying to change things.
Did you raise the ticket? : )
omg
@ivan terible
Who said it was EDEN's fault, it's a disgrace by the admins that is what it is, intentionally deceiving their customers, please keep in mind Romper and EDEN tanks are not the only customers of this game.
@oboj,
the ticket is following now, I've learned my lesson however in nearly 3 years in this game and that is if you want an issue to be taken serious by the admins you need to make it as publik as possible, otherwise they disregard it as unimportant.
It is the style of communication they have established with the community. By the way I have two unanswered tickets as we speak one is older then 40 days right now.
I understand it correct from the beggining, also i write about that on my paper, explained very well. Plato article main subject is about the contest of the new, temporary or not, alliances. When he said "will count for the alliance the country is in" he reffered at the new alliances names who presidents sent him. So if Serbia (4FUN) fought for Bulgaria (FOE), damage will not count, if Indonesia (FOE) will fight for Bulgaria (FOE), then damage will count.
\o/
@eDarkAngel
i can agree that admins always "fix" game
@ elbandido
Nowhere is that stipulated, everywhere it says a countries allies, according to the mechanics of the game, those are the countries which have an MPP with the given country.
The only correct meaning is the one based on the mechanics of the game, all other posible interpretations are only interpretations and if the meaning is one of them the admins have to clearly specify that.
"Everything else is a direct attempt of the admins to change the status quo in the game unparalleled to this point."
This statement is so untrue. 😉 We've seen worse manipulations done by them before.
"We all know EDEN is a cash cow" : D : D : D
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@ ivan terrible
They have always introduced changes to sway things, but until now they have always had the same effect on all, while here we're talking about a change that influences only some, because of a "misleading" statement.
Why you care? It's only a stupid contest only a loser alliance can care of. 😉 It's where they can win, nowhere else (unless admins make some game mechanic changes again).
And it's up to the CPs of other not allied countries if they care about this contest or not. Guess 4FUN doesn't care. At least I hope so. I personally will hit where needed. 😉
care about*
I'm one of those crazy people with an acute sense about injustice.... I know it's not a good thing in this game nor this world that we live in.
9 alliances listed and only 2 actually exist and admins allowed some countries to change their "alliance" after the final list was made.
All in all, competition is lame and stupid, but it showed that even tough its quality isn't as high as it used to be, EDEN is still the only stable and alliance in the game.
eDarkAngel get used to it. The previous game changes and manipulations you were talking about were influencing everybody, but were short term beneficial to one side only, when the other side responded, new changes were implemented. It's not going to stop. The game needs to have balance to be fun for everybody. Sad but true.
It's better not to get carried away by any emotions, this game is not worth it.
When's the press conference?
quit again,
one would think you would have gotten over that by now, I guess not.... if I had know I wouldn't have caused you so much greif....
@radens
What stable alliance, for pete sake stop with the mantra, no one cares anymore, so you follow a few people and romper, fine it's your right to do so, just save us the ideology.
v80
aaarrgghh - Chuquisaca and Tarija was conquered by Argentina in the war versus Bulgaria 2 minutes ago - rdy 4 next win? I AM!!!😉
о7 Let's do some damage!
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this contest is the stupidest thing ever, who gives a puck..
oh right, it gives you a chance for some edenhating so it's worth yout while.. what happened to you dude??
@BeDva
EDEN has become the cancer of the game so it is time to cure us all from it, there is no hating, there is ridicule only.
Romper wanted to change the game, well for the game to change the cancer needs to go, with all the hypocrisy, "we cheat game, no cheat FRIND" and fake brotherhood and anti-imperialism. There is nothing worst in this world then a hollow ideology which tries to subvert others opinions to itself, be it real or virtual.
Who cares, let them put EDEN logo wherever they want. They will still be losers +1
sorry, correct is:
"So if Serbia (4FUN) fought for Bulgaria (FOE), damage will count for (FOE), if Indonesia (FOE) will fight for Bulgaria (FOE), damage will count for (FOE)."
dudez, stop bitching around. it's the very first time since v1 when plato is publishing true damage data.
you are basing all your article on a statement on the asumption that egov cant be off by that much.i believe they can, but dont take my word for it. why dont you ask the devs behind egov if they argue about the validity of the data published by plato ?
really, i had a hardon when i saw numbers as i am hoping for a full disclosure of battle damage like back in the days.
It's clear that something smells funny with this BotA. At least the only reward is one logo. At the end the winners will be very proud of themselves, but it's important for the rest of us to know what really happened. So +1 vote from me?
PS: Does anybody knows what the hell is 4Fun and way it even exist?
Really, anyone cares about this competition ?
Сега ако се намери и един добър батко да обясни като цяло на български с 2-3 изречения, добре ще е ... иначе вот де : )
тази награда дори не ме грее, не виждам какво го вземате присърце това. Админите винаги ще си измислят да се оправдаят. Играйте си за кеф и забравете тази измислена надпревара, нека мишките да се радват на нея.
Няма кирилица, няма вот !
Искахте истината! Ето я (още не съм описал всичко де) :
http://www.erepublik.com/bg/article/-1-1-2110907/1/20
никой не ги е карал си правят отделен съюз за този баттле , много тъпо от тяхна страна без оправдания сега.
"Why you care? It's only a stupid contest " Kolorowy +1
къртиш еденски мивки,again 😁 добреее
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Ooooh yeah!! Little bulgurs are mad because their shi*ty alliance is not on the 1st place!
What kind of idiocy is that?
Ofc ..it's EDEN's fault that the butthurt ex EDEN members do not have a real alliance.
Who the F* cares
It doesn't matter.
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