Terrorism and the Loss of the Law
SaraDroz
One only has to look at eCanada forums (which by the way I HAVE kept up with; http://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=16328) to find under 'Parliament Hill' subforums for the Ececutive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of the Government. In the normal course everyday business the seperation of powers that this classifaction signifies is taken for granted. This seperation of powers is in fact vital for eCanada liberty and is currently under assault. The power of pardon derives from the President and only then can Congress approve it. When Congress, on it's own behalf, voted the pardon it clearly violated the law. It now sees itself as entirely soveriegn; rights of the President and of the Courts are usurped willy nilly and people labeled 'terrorists', denied forum access without trial and pardoned for terrorism on small majorities. Essentialy ANY faction that can gain a Congress majority of 1 in a vote can change ANY law, the terrorist one day can become de facto ruler the next. Of course with the buying of Congress votes this amounts to rule by bribery... The biggest crook wins.
Winning in The New System
So how would make yourself Master of eCanada in this 'new order'. Well first you have to buy alot of votes and get elected to Congress, this kind of rules our newer players... sorry. There you make some cogent sounding arguements about the 'rights of congress' etc and perhaps get some 'sweetners' voted through; extra funds for an MU or two to get some allies. You can the proceed to act against those who disagree with you; they can be labelled 'traitors', denied forum access, any MU they may belong to deprived of funding etc etc... If the President dares to veto you impeach him. By now you may need more funds so why not stand for President and steal some money. No problem there because with this money you can pay Congress to pardon you. Might also help to be able to have a few tame Congressmen as Judges which indeed the Speaker has recently become...
Of Terrorism
Sasha in here recent article 'The Election Debate- The Question It Comes Down To' says: "The result of Sara winning will be a step backwards in swapping militant terrorism for political terrorism". Presumably by 'political terrorism' she means PTOing Parties. Clearly she doesn't mean buying votes which she regards as "rewarding activity". Firstly this is an incredibly naive and frankly stupid point of view. Presumably Sashas answer to Al Qaeda would be to legalise and pardon them; give them a vote too perhaps. Would this make them stop? It is more likely to encourage them and as we see in eCanada our very Constituation is now violated by Congress with impunity.
Secondly let us return to "rewarding activity". Sasha agrees that this is not ideal but believes ot is better than returning to 'political terrorism'. Where does this end? Suppose that all eCanadas money is stolen - oops donated as a reward for activity... This isn't 'terrorism'? By turning a blind eye and reclassifying breaking the law as 'reawarding activity' and 'Congressional Democracy' you have not got rid of 'terrorism'. On the contrary you are so scared of terrorism that you have justified it. Btw I have never had my 'activity rewarded' but then again I don't sell my vote. Would Congress mind rewarding my activity? Perhaps activity rewards are for voting well I have voted in every election for the last 2 yrs... so you owe me... Get real.
Of course when Congress illegaly pardoned one terrorist for what Sasha calls, 'political terrorism', it created others; EPC or 'militant terrorism'. Thanks to this we have now lost our oil bonus. Those who even talk to old friends in EPC, including presumably Acacia, are accused of 'taking orders' from them, although I clearly said that I would NOT veto the pardon as EPC demand. Congressmen (Sweeta) who are lawfuly elected but who are said to be EPC members, even though no proof of them fighting against eCanada is provided, are barred from forums without trial. Should I be elected as President I would probably be impeached anyway for trying to uphold the law. For this I would probably be named as a 'terrorist'. In ALL this mess there is only one person who has broken the law and a Congress that has acted clearly above and beyond it's authority. There are those who argue and fight to uphold the law and we are told these are terrorists, or 'take orders' from terrorists. Then there is a terrorist sitting in Congress and manipulating it in breach of the constitution. Is there a Court case about Sweeta forum access? No... She is guilty of being named as a member of EPC although several of them have said on IRC that they have no contact with her. Those who voted for Sweeta have been effectively disenfranchised and we have had a summary 'trial by congress'. In the new eCanada any opposition MUST be 'terrorism' even though that verdict is reached illegaly. It is a little like living in Revolutionary France; pointing a finger at someone condemns them.
The 'apologists' who voted and support the pardon are now guilty of numorous breaches of law themselves, starting with the pardon itself. Nor is there any way to reclaim the supremacy of the law. I should imagine that I were elected to Congress I too would be denyed access under false charges of 'taking orders from terrorists'. If elected President impeachment would follow for trying to curtail the dictatorship of Congress: Hold a referendum and Congress will declare it invalid. This is where the naivity of the apologists have got us. We have NOT got rid of 'political terrorism'; we have legimitised it until it becomes the rule.
Comments
You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
Probably the best article I've read in quite a long time.
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You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
Sara gets it right. The blocking of the ballot by Norsefire is completely legal, nothing has been done wrong. It sucks Sara but welcome to the big picture. If you ever need help with IES let me know.
Since the pardon, CanVision was PTOed by the Norsefire group.
What say you crisfire?
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Don't "^" me, EPC scum.
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Since the pardon, CanVision was PTOed by the Norsefire group.
What say you crisfire?
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Great article Sara. Norsefire has become the law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_umAXFC95Y
II.1) The Congress of eCanada consists of the Congress elected in-game each month by the citizens of eCanada. The Congress of eCanada has the freedom to:
a) put forward and debate any proposal as governed by the in-game rules of eRepublik or affects the forum or irc community
😁 What does part a) mean?
"The power of pardon derives from the President"
Show me that part in our Charter.....please. Do it and post the link
I dont know if Rolo had anything to do with Code Y winning the PP election, backing out and Cypher taking it and changing its name. Either way I dont care about a party with 20 members all that much. If you dont like it run for the PP of that party and change its name to "I love fat chicks" I dont care....would that be a PTO though?
So basically anyone that takes a party that isnt on your approval list is a PTOer?
Prove Rolo did it or get someone to press charges agaisnt Cypher for changing the name....good luck with that.
Saying all of that what you derps are doing is far worse then someone taking a meaningless party
The law broke eCanada when the law-breakers were set free to wear the tattered courts as a mantle of victory.
I could not imagine a more thorough way of destroying a team than incarcerating it in Stanford Prison.
It's been quite the online social experiment. Is it much different than what Zimbardo concluded?
also you could of written about all the different colours of Skittles and Armour woulda said its the best article he has ever read
Sara needs to reread the Charter and stop working of a Constitution that was scrapped several years ago
PS Welcome to the forums
^ On that note Crisfire....
http://www.ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=16328
Also, I should have sai😛
Sara, you hit the nail right on the head. Great article.
Trouble is...what are we nailing shut? We should have killed it before they got their hands on it.
For the record I voted NO to upholding Sweeta's ban regardless of how absoluely annoying I find her
I strongly encourage her to take it up in court about this attack on her CHARTER rights
or she could simply say she isnt a member of EPC and it would all go away regardless of the fact I dont think her membership in the noncombative side of EPC warrants a ban
"I strongly encourage her to take it up in court about this attack on her CHARTER rights" I agree buy surely a court case was needed BEFORE the ban was imposed?
dont forget that link I wanted....
not enough justices, she hasnt pressed for one, she likes being the victim...pick your poison
Sara if you really care maybe you could be her lawyer, seriously.
There are truths in this great article that should not be ignore.
Crisfire, the pardon isn't even mention in any current eCanada's law. Does it means that Congress has this power all for itself? It seems unlikely since only a majority of Congress could be require to veto any decision the Court could done. And it used to be in the a power given to the CP according to the old criminal code. As for the quote that Rolo points out, it would be a mistake to interpret it to inclusively. Otherwise the Congress could do anything by his own. It wasn't what the constitution meant to be when we change it. Don't forget that the Addendum 1) of the constitution recognize the old practices of the former constitution.
While the Court has decided to reject the demand I made to ban Simon for abuse of power, they also decided to not make a Interim Order to restore Sweeta's access to Congress. Even thought, the ban of sweeta didn't follow the formal legal procedure: it's the Court that is responsible of removing access to a citizen for any criminal fault. Again,what he point of having a Court if Congress can decide everything on their own?
I think its called 'aboose'
Oh, and the latest proposal made in Congress by Muglack to restrict the use of referendum by the CP is one of the lamest thing I have ever seen. The Congress want to so much to control everything in eCanada that they are even scare of the public opinion. I guess vote buying for a referendum is harder to do...
They got time to work on restricting referendums and making sure veto's can't be used after a certain amount of time, but coming out and saying it is illegal to buy votes or sell citizenship, no, that's to much work.
Whoa Crisfire, I hope you aren't insulting skittles. Not cool. Not cool at all.
Sara, you understand the problem. Thanks for the article, But you could have stated that in far fewer words. Less than 10 I think.
I'm sorry, but all I read here is "Everything sucks and I won't even try because it's too hard and people hate me". Perhaps I'm mistaken as you didn't actually say you weren't going to try and you didn't actually say everyone hates you. But you definitely said everything sucks, and you'd be right.
I am still waiting for that one article, that one simple statement that not a single citizen of this nation has yet to make: "THIS is what I am going to do to fix it!". I am rapidly become agitated at article after article, comment after comment of people's "opinions" on what's broken. For fucks sake people! Believe me, we KNOW. Stop bitching about what you think SHOULD have happened, what you think COULD have worked better. Get your fucking minds out of the garbage and begin moving forward on what CAN be done. Hell, I haven't even seen a single person ask another person "what do you think?".
The people commenting here are some of the smartest people you will ever meet, yet you put a keyboard in front of them and some bullshit "rules" that leave much open for personal perception and everything goes out the fucking window. No one gives a shit what he/she said about him/her a couple weeks ago, rather than months or even years. The only teamwork I've seen lately is the EPC, and they're actually having fun at it too. Wouldn't it be awesome for us to be having fun too?
Seriously. In conclusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc
Harden the fuck up allready.
crisfire, I don't need to prove Rolo did it.
ok.........
@ max
That isnt what the Addendum says, it says
"Procedural conventions from the former Constitution may be carried forward until such time as legislation is ratified, however they will not be considered law"
Uncorporated http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-to-fix-ecanada-troll-here-1999330/1/20 the problem lies in the hate of the actual fix. Once people can admit that, maybe.
I'm sorry Aeriala, but you've completely missed the mark as well. The pardon has never been the issue, neither is blame. It's all but a catalyst.
So much RL nonsense. Try taking yourself a little less seriously Sara.
Iain if this were happening in eUK I am sure you would fight it.
heh, did crisfire actually attempt to claim that taking over a party , renaming and rebranding it totally isn't a PTO? isnt that the most basic definition?
Perhaps i'm mistaking my acronyms.
Well, as a first comment I am sticking to the article, not the comments.
Sara claims that congressional bribery & vote buying takes place, making it sound as tho it is everywhere. Where is the proof of this accusation? I admit it takes place, but many congressmen, and all MDP congressmen, do not take part in such currupt actions. Not only is this a mere accusation without evidence, you bring me into it sa tho I endorse not only bribery and vote buying, but YOUR (false) definition of political terrorism. Tell me, how can we find objective solutions if our definitions if words vary? PTOvers is political terrrorism, corruption is not terrorism, otherwise they may be used interchangably. Corruption is something that has to be addressed and fix, but your ideas od terrorism & corruption being one of the same is false.
Furthermore, I have never condoned "rewarding activity", to quote my articel that you have already refered to:
"She is mistaken to call vote buying/rewarding activity (to be objective rather than biased, I will not choose one discription over the other) political terrorism"
Absolutely no where in that articel or anywhere else have I ever condoned vote buying, I have merely stated the fact that curruption is not terrorism. You make it out as tho I condone it because it is a better alternative over political terrorism, numerous times before I have said that the pardon of Rolo was a STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION in fixing the political landscpae of the country. This does not mean I think politics in this country is fixed, corruptino is what next needs to be addressed and fixed.
You have twisted words into your own "Loaded Propaganda", to use an appropiate reference.
As of the PTO if CanVision by Code-Y, link it to Rolo with objective evidence please. All I see right now is the link with Code-Y. Further more, why not try looking at the election results, the paty had membership in the 20s at the time I beleive, looking at the votes, how could a PTO happen if no external PTo membership came in to vote for the PTOer? I may be wrong as this is only an observation, but it looks to me that the members of CanVis before the "PTO" where the only ones to vote for this "PTOer".
You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
Words may bend but the truth will always shine with reality.
"She is mistaken to call vote buying/rewarding activity (to be objective rather than biased, I will not choose one discription over the other) political terrorism" Which is it? Buying votes enables PTOs. Where is my 'activity reward'?
Join Norsefire Sara, and you'll be eligible for Activity rewards. Feel free to also join the CSD and get your "Activity Rewards" from CFovets and Ralph Kline....
You may have to read between the lines in the pm you get at election time, but I'm sure you'll understand what they are getting at, you're a smart girl.....
There's no reading between the lines. Membership in CSD came with Tanks and an "Approved Candidate" list.