Tax plans for this month.
BuzzyTheCat
Good evening Israel,
I am writing to you, and all our new congressmen and women. We have a ton of proposals to get through in the next few days, and the sooner we start, the better. Israel really needs a complete and total tax system overhaul. Our current taxes are what got us to the point we are at, they funded the country at a time when we had no money, and they did that well. However it is now time to make our tax system worker and business friendly so that we can expand upon our base. To achieve this, I will lay out the tax base and then explain why each one should be the way it is.
The tax table I am proposing will be the following.
Food 5% 15% 3%
Gifts 5% 15% 3%
Weapons 5% 20% 3%
Moving tickets 5% 15% 3%
All raw materials imports 1% 1%
Hospitals 1%, 1%, 1%
Defense Systems 1%, 1%,1%
Why I am proposing taxes at these levels.
Our current income tax level is just not worker friendly. 10% is a good chunk to get taken out of your paycheck and that is obviously money that cannot be spent by the consumer. I am proposing we cut this in half. More money in peoples pockets means more money being spent on the “nice things” like gifts, weapons, maybe saved for a business or a house, etc. This will be a hit to government funding, but the economy is more important right now than other pursuits. In the short term we will survive the lower taxes, but in the long term these lower income taxes will help everyone and the economy equally.
VAT is another big one. Currently we have a 5% VAT on everything. I agree that we do need some VAT for government income, but I believe 5% is just a bit high. Because of this, I propose it be lowered to 3% across the board. This will mean all products on our markets will be 2% cheaper. That doesn’t sound like a lot, but added up, and over time, it will be a factor in helping Israeli’s save and spend NIS which is the ultimate goal of these tax changes.
Now for import taxes. This is where we have had major debates in the past. First, we really don’t have many companies importing products to our market as it is. For food at first glance, our markets look full, and they really are. Out of all the companies on the market, only 5 of them are foreign importers. Of those 5, 1 is technically Israeli (United Food), which was captured in the recent RW with Turkey. Soylent Green is the only foreign company in our market which is selling Q3 food, however it is selling for nearly 1 NIS higher than our domestic companies and it poses no competition to them. Phase 3 and BIH are both Q4, where we have no domestic food companies. They are our sole suppliers of Q4 food. Then there is True Blue which is our only Q5 food supplier. As you can see for food, there is no reason to touch import tax since the foreign companies supplying our market are either not competing because of price, or in the higher quality category, because they are the only suppliers of food. I would also like to point out that our imported Q4 and Q5 food is actually fairly highly priced and if a domestic Q3 company were to upgrade, the foreign companies would not be competitors because of how high their food is priced. Raising the import tax on food would mean 1 of 2 things. 1, it would mean already expensive high quality food would become even more expensive. Then the second thing that could happen, the foreign companies who are supplying our only Q4 and Q5 food could move out of our market. They might do this for a number or reasons, but mostly, they would do this because selling product in Israel would mean they sell for very high prices. Once prices for high quality food reach a certain point, it actually becomes cheaper for you to buy low quality food and gift yourself the extra wellness. What that means is very few people would end up buying these very high priced foods. I don’t need to tell you what happens when people don’t buy products.
Our gift market has no imported goods on it at all and what domestic gifts we do have on the market, are high priced… very high priced to be exact. Imported gifts will help this greatly because it will mean competition and with competition comes lower priced goods.
Our weapons market has a single importer. Banana Rifles, which is Q4. Their weapons are hideously over priced (by about 30
😵and they pose absolutely no threat to a domestic company. Once Tomato Nukes starts producing weapons Banana Rifles simply wont be able to compete in pricing at all. However imported weapons are important because when war comes, people need weapons to fight. Domestic reserves can run dry quickly and that is just not very conducive to a proper war effort.
Our moving ticket market has no imports on it and our domestic tickets are selling fairly low. It would be very hard for a foreign company to come in and undercut our companies, even if we had a 20% import tax on tickets.
As you can see, we don’t need to protect our domestic companies since they are doing perfectly fine the way they are and there is not a single foreign company on our market who is competing with a domestic company. However the foreign companies we do have are currently providing items we do not produce domestically. Increasing import tax on these sections could be disastrous to our market since it is completely possible to tax these already high selling companies right out of our market.
For defense systems and hospitals, it makes no sense to have any taxes… we would basically be taxing ourselves and there really isn’t a point to that.
Grain…this is the biggie and the hottest point of contention. I still and always will support a 1%,1% tax. About 2 days ago Israel had the lowest priced grain in the entire world…but there was a problem. It was imported, and after the 20% tax was applied, it was no longer even resembling cheap. Yes, Israel could have very easily had the cheapest grain in the entire game, on any market, anywhere, but after the government applied its import tax to it, it became unaffordable. I would also like to point to other countries that have an abundance of raw materials like the US. Despite having every raw material besides diamonds and Iron, their import taxes are still 1%. Romania has 1% import tax on all raw materials except grain… and the only reason they have 99% import on grain is because they have SO much grain they don’t need to import a single unit of it. Very literally, Romania could feed the entire world for a few weeks with the grain they hold. Israel is not in such a lucky position
I would really appreciate if our newly elected congress would work hard and quickly to get these proposals approved. We need to send out 12 tax proposals and even after that, we still have other proposals to send out like a new citizen message which includes our website (which is almost done). This is going to be a very busy month ahead of us and we have a ton of work to do.
Thank you and goodnight,
BuzzyTheCat
Comments
great article 😃
lets hope that the congress will understand that too 🙂
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I don't agree about the gifts. Maybe you looked only on Q1 gifts that are really expensive, but the Q2 gifts are the cheapest in the world.
I am sorry Swifty, when I did the write-up we didn't have any Q2 gifts at market.
Our Q1 gifts however are about 250% higher than they should be. (current world price for a Q1 gift is 1.05 NIS)
This all sounds good to me. I would like to propose changing the hospital taxes.
Buzzy, can we actually set up a full blown Knesset Section on the official forums to discuss all these ideas?
I'd like to see discussion on all topics and suggested proposals on the forums before we go full blown into things. And Honestly, the Newspapers just don't work well enough.
ALL RAW MATERIALS 1% 1% 1%??? We have some GRAIN, and this grain should be kept under a certain value. If the congress will lower the grain tax, which now is pretty OK -20%-, the country will lose a lot of money 😃. I sincerely keep the grain company just to compete with foreign companies, and to make them sell cheaper grain. My grain company is not producing so much grain, but it produces enough to keep a certain price on the markets. Why do you want to transfer gold to USA?
The other Raw Materials are pretty OK 0% taxes are just what we need!!! Why 1%??? we don't produce such raw materials 😉, so we could keep them at 0%. But the grain. All the world is full of grain, and we only should make this grain to be at a certain price on the markets 😉.
eliberator, you should be happy 😃
with some luck, by lowering the import taxes on grain, we might have more companies for you to compete with 😉
You'll have to forgive me for having a certain sense of deja vu. IWP President comes out with a his tax plan on the day after the congressional election with an almost indenical take on import taxes, that was debated ad nauseam last term. After appearing to want to work on some sort of different numbers now buzzy saying ipso facto that these are the changes that are going to be made and that is the way it is, again it is hard not to feel a certain sense of deja vu.
I am more than happy at working with the IWP on tax reform. There had been a similiar tax scheme proposed by the president last term in regards to the import taxes on the manufacturing sector and grain. I didn't agree with it before, and I don't agree with it now. We should be erring on the side of protection of our business always, and I don't think that this plan does this either.
I do like the proposed changes in income and VAT taxes however. I am glad that the president has come around to our position on the issue.
Jeff, which taxes changes don't you agree with?
Have you been following such discussion threads? We had the exact same debate the last term on the same import taxes. As I said in this thread, I scarcely agree with the import taxes.
There are some exceptions however:
- Raw materials other than grain currently at 0%, myself and the president discusses that we ought to get some method of tax from these products, like most other countries do in eRepublik.
- Hospitals- I doubt our hospital industry will ever be in the position to supply us with hospitals, unless they are taking a cut in profits to benefit us. There will not be enough regions to supply and not a diverse enough economy. I could see this changing under the right economic circumstances, if lowering imports makes much of a difference at all in this case, which I doubt.
- Defense systems.
I agree with Jeff. The income taxes and VAT are ok and if proposed I would vote for yes, but the import taxes are low. Check with any other country in the worl😛 no one depends much on imports. On the contrary, everyone sets high import taxes to protect the domestic production.
import taxes of 20% could have been a problem only if there was a hard competition in the market between local and foreign companies.
atm, as you c, there is almost none.
the grain industry in eIsrael should have no problem to compete with competition due to the low salaries that are payed to the local land workers.
moreover, low import grain taxes will bring more grain to the local markets. i have already noticed that a lot of times there is only expensive and low amount of grain in the market.
the hospital and defense system taxes have no meaning atm. if one day things be different about that, the tax may be changed.
Polgara:
Ugh, here we go again with the same debate over again. Last part first. Tell me something I don't know.
Import taxes- There is going to be no quick fix for the economy either way. A good economy builds up slowly as new entreprenuers emerge, protects their business and gives them a competitive tax program going foward. You must also understand, our former President Sadeh Badeh controlled over 50% of our economy and was artificially keeping wages high. They have come up in recent times through better management of the economy from their sad low a week ago, but the economy needs time to adjust and grow on its own before you will see any results at all from local business. I know that for over a month now the offical IWP party line is to kill the grain industry, I know that. The offical Likud party line is to be responsible about lowering taxes on business and giving every industry a chance to compete. It's not going to happen over night.
Lowering import taxes across the board so low and allowing foreign companies to compete is just going to harm our already fragile economic situation. We have plenty of raw materials that currently have 0% import taxes. Where is the magic economic spinoff from that? Why aren't our manufacturing businesses overwealmed with cheap goods by which to produce their products? The benefits are more imagined than real and the harm to our local business, already fragile could be worse.
plz show me the competition in the grain industry
Polgara part 2:
Every time I check for your location you are in Indonesia, but you are one of the biggest supporters of the IWP taxes every time I look. Why does the IWP have a sock puppet(?) in Indonesia commenting on our economic situtaion and cheer leading for their position, and not even willing to live here often enough to experience what he/she is talking about in current events?
Polgara part 3:
I don't think your general comment is very relevant, it is also very open ended and well, general.
There is grain on the market and there are grain employers. Would you start a grain company if your president is trying to constantly kill it? I wouldn't. The market needs to be protected, have low taxes and have a chance to grow. It is going to be a long process.
2 weeks ago i used to be in turkey O: (and i allready got messeges that blame me for being a spy XD )
Jeff, i m not sure that you noticed that, but we are playing game (omg!!!) and there is no meaning to my location. i could live in eIsrael and earn 5 NIS (that is a lot! ) and i could not.
i don't remember saying anything about IWP. it is not that each of them has the same ideas as me. however, Buzzy seems like a good player and he has good economy sense.
and the most important thing- he is realistic. medium raw material industry will never be a good thing for country in erepublik.
and jeff- if i could i would have burn all the grain fields in eIsrael.
burn them!!! BURN THEM ALL!!!
and jeff- if i could i would have burn all the grain fields in eIsrael.
burn them!!! BURN THEM ALL!!! 😃
I don't think you're a spy by there is something oddly familar about you.
Sure I know this is a game, we all live under the same potential opportunities. Some of us stay and *gasp* live through imperfect economic times and try to make it better. Some of us live in Indonesia and cheer lead for IWP politices. You are not alone in your situation where you would perhaps live in eIsrael but have decided to live elsewhere, and it is something we need to fix. But to sit in another country and argue about a situation you aren't living is rather convenient.
We need Israelis Grain 😃
but Jeff, you said it yourself that we need a stronger economy. if working in other country may help me to have progress with my organization in eIsrael wont it be a good thing to stay here?
polgara, I started the ticket company. I lowered the ticket prices with 10%. and after that with another 10%. So all the Israelis who want to leave could leave the country!.
I think I do a good job, and if NO grain companies will be in Israel, the grain exporters could do whatever they want with the price of grain in Israel.
And BTW, do you really think that 20gold for Israel Export License worth for Israel market ??? I doubt it 😉.
if no one will export to eIsrael you shouldn't have any problem with low import tax.
I think moderation is always the best course of action, and this case is no different. For a long time we had 99% import taxes, so there were no imports. Going to 1% is just the opposite extreme. I believe the domestic grain industry can compete and provide competitive prices given the right situation. Sacrificing an entire segment of economy for a slight gain in another sector seems counter-productive.
the grain industry is a wasteful one.
the productivity of the workers is cut by half, and the salaries are cut by more.
high grain prices = high food price. do you want that to happen?
This has not happened, and even if it does, the economy has to have the opportunity to grow on its own pace and adjust to new realities while always protecting business. We don't go to the short term fix of putting our companies out of business which will harm the economy long term.
Sure grain wages are lower, they often are in lots of countries in erepublik. I don't think they are dramatically lower, just noticably on the high end. I think as is, the tax is working perfectly and has had no impact on grain prices. Long term, we shall see. I think there always has to be a balance struck in such a case, and I see killing grain as no balance at all.
But Jeff, we technically aren't killing anything. The grain on our market is expensive. If domestic companies were paying wages based on production they would have no problem what so ever of being on the market.
That is the real problem, all of the domestic grain companies were paying unrealistic wages based on the wages of manufacturing companies so they could lure workers... That is what killed the domestic grain companies... not the 1% import tax.
I could start a grain company today, pay wages based on production, and no mater what the import tax is, I would not only be the lowest offer on the market 99% of the time, I would still make a profit off of it.
polgara. grain in Israel is one of the cheapest in all the world. Kicking out the grain business from Israel in the first phase and after that there will be a demand for grain maybe in Israel such as the exporters will do whatever they want with the price.
If Israel would have NO GRAIN regions, I would agree with kick out the grain business from Israel, but it is the case of no country in erepublik.
BuzzyTheCat, I'm sure you didn't make the correct calculus, and the grain from Israel is NOT at all EXPENSIVE!!! Unfortunately your words are without PROOF. I have the best grain company in the country and I also can close it immediately, instead of making 0NIS profit 😉. I can sell on whatever price I want. And the price will be based on the market needs 😉.
Elib, you are correct. Your company does in fact provide reasonable priced grain.
For the other companies though, they arent exactly cheap. The one foreign company who has come on our market lately Genetic Engineered Grain, could also be cheap, but the import taxes kind of take them out of the running.
Just for everyones info, Q1 grain should sell for .31 NIS, Q2 for .62 NIS, Q3 for .93 NIS, and so on. The going rate for the world is about .0062 gold per unit. (1 Q3 grain is considered 3 units)
So yes Elib, I appologize. Your company in fact does provide competative grain compared to world prices (your only about .03 NIS off the world low price) 😃 I however cant say the same for the other companies
Grain of Israel - Q2 - .70 NIS or .007 gold per unit
Kehillat - Q1 - .59 NIS or .012 gold per unit
Granary - Q1 - .60 NIS or .012 gold per unit
Genetic - Q2 - .81 NIS or .008 gold per unit
Milhafres - Q2 - .84 NIS or .008 gold per unit