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Good Rico

Will do.

Either today or tomorrow.

Oh, and it's an honour. 😛

you have my full support

Questions.What about people who were previously enlisted?

I am sorry, but you will have to re-enlist. I wish I could keep you as you were but I do not have access to Moishe's spreadsheet (which doesn't have all the information I want anyway). So those who previously enlisted will have to re-enlist on the official forum of eSA (http://z13.invisionfree.com/eSouthAfrica/index.php?act=idx), under 'Guardhouse'.

Apologies and thanks.

Brendan E Austerion is a PRIVATE not a General get a rank first! He has no military experience; neither did PRIVATE Moishe when he arrived here in SA.
I am not following Private’s named a General’s into battle, BEA should be called organizer of the Army serve as an advisor to a REAL General. South Africa Army is going nowhere fast you should just hire a PMC to do your dirty work. An Army will never work as SA can’t pay for an Army. Forget the army develop a strong economy first to support such an army. Or pick 10 very loyal SA people give them a shiz load of gold and let them go train in a war somewhere else less admin and email to organize a fight.
One super soldier will be able to do more damage than the whole SA army if he has lots of Gold and it will be more manageable and controled.

Black8: You believe that a competent military leader have to be a good fighter whereas I believe that a competent military leader possesses strategic thinking and organizing skills. Austerion is well qualified in that department.

I don't believe that Norman Schwarzkopf was the best infantryman during the first Gulf war, I don't believe Douglas MacArthur was the best marine during the reconquest of the Phillipines.

If you don't want to take orders from General Austerion then don't apply for the army. This man's army consists of people loyal to the country, not rank and gold.

Black8: Haha

I wouldnt follow you either as you have less expirince than Brendan.
So shut up or leave. Goverment have spoken.

Rico, Bazti: Thank you for your faith in me, and Rico, for your excellent points.

Black8: I freely admit I am not strong in fighting itself. I cannot do the damage that Alucard Bloodlust does. I could not do more than 76 damage in my fighting in the Northern Cape (mostly thanks to wellness + lack-of-weapons issues). I have not had the opportunity to fight much, either, having been a Congressman for much of the time that there have been real wars that I could take part in (I, unfortunately, missed the Jap invasion and joined the game too late for that.).

However, if you judge the worth of a person by how much damage he has inflicted on an opponent, you are, I am sorry to say, deluded (not so much you but the viewpoint you take: I do not mean to insult you): for that person whom you would value the most would, in essence, be a bloodthirsty bloodlusting (yes, I know they are synonyms) battle-hungry brawler. He does not have to be strategic: He simply enters a region and brawls with everyone.

Therein lies the difference. An organized army does not brawl randomly with opponents: It carefully selects tactical battlegrounds and uses strategies to win. Granted, a PMC might do all our dirty work. Granted, he might be more effective. Granted... meh, I don't want to give more reasons. Suffice it to say, the number of fights and the damage I have inflicted on the Japs does not determine my worth (or lack thereof, possibly) though you seem to see it that way.

One last thing: Rank in-game (that is, based on damage inflicted) has no bearing on how much strength one has. For example, I have a strength of 5.59, yet I'm only a Private.

My strenght : 7.672

Yeah Brendan! Elves rule!

I am just over 6 strength now but also with no experience. Should we travel abroad to fight for other countries to get experience like Kiwifire has done? Seems to be the only way we can satisfy some people.

I'll be coming home when I get my level up fella's. Rico right. To be a good leader, you don't need to know how to push a button that say's fight. Anybody can do that. You need to know when to attack, who to attack and how many troops do attack. If you are only fighting for gold, then your not a true patriot of eS.A.

Drive on Brandan and Rico. Your doing a good job.

Kiwi (and company) makes a good point. Soldiers do the fighting, but without the tactical guidance behind them, they're nothing more than the RL Al-Qaida. A band of guerrilla miscreants.

@ Bazti, listen pal go back from were you came from YOU LEFT SA DURING THE BAD TIMES now you back when its good times?

Here's another idea the Government has picked BEA so give him gold let him train in wars! Build Rank Experience, Douglas MacArthur and Norman Schwarzkopf did not get their rank overnight they had to work for it so give BEA and others that are willing to fight gold and build an army but there has got to be rules for one if you want to be a Military General of the SA Army you may not be a congress man. Like I said I am not following men that don’t fight with me you got to lead not tell and you gotta have real rank bru. Thus you would have a concept of what happens during war you need to see it first hand. O the gold that I am speaking of is not for you to keep for yourself, its for guns Q4-5 and wellness 2gold = 10 wellness!

MacArthur and Schwarzkopf most certainly did not attain their ranks overnight, neither did they fight alongside the grunts. Yet somehow they were successful leaders. How do you figure that? Why don't you cool it with your evaluation of our work until you've seen what we intend?

Why does the pledge include the line "I agree not to be a mercenary"? I'm not sure I would want to sign on to this since mercenary activity may be the only way any of us can ever get any experience.

To give people some idea of what I mean, here are just some issues:

Do our leaders know how to pace a battle? Ideally it should peak while we are most active and any enemy asleep. Do they know how to calculate the forces that would need to be martialled? Would they be able to analyze the battle data sufficiently to predict outcomes with time enough to react?

Do our leaders know how to resource a battle? How to pump in reinforcements of weapons and gifts? How to set up chains of organizations to handle the load? Some skilled fighting setups might even use script programs for this. Or is one person going to click 800 times all afternoon?

How big are the current military stockpiles of weapons, gifts and food needed to sustain a campaign?

Or are we just going to send off a rabble of enthusiastic but unsupported volunteers in a lost cause?

Bottom line: South Africa will not be fighting any wars for a very long time. Mercenary activity or even just plain volunteer activity may be the only way for many to gain experience and many of us cannot even afford that.

This does not mean that I reject the appointment of Brendan Austerion. I'm not saying that. But I might tend to worry that we are still trying to reinvent the wheel a spoke at a time while our putative enemies drive past every day in BMW's.

"How big are the current military stockpiles of weapons, gifts and food needed to sustain a campaign?"

There isn't any. We're starting from scratch.

"This does not mean that I reject the appointment of Brendan Austerion. I'm not saying that. But I might tend to worry that we are still trying to reinvent the wheel a spoke at a time while our putative enemies drive past every day in BMW's."

Heh, I hear you, I hear you...

Just a note:

"Ideally it should peak while we are most active and any enemy asleep."

The problem with this is that our people are, in real life, from America, South Africa, and various other locations, making it more difficult.

Van Wyk: Soldering for fortune is not the only way to go when looking for experience. Freedom fighting sanctioned by command is another, less dangerous way to get there. I'm not saying that mercs are unreliable but why risk the conflict of loyalty to government versus need for gold?

On a general note: We are a small country. This seems hard to understand for some people but it is nevertheless a fact. This does not however mean that we will accept defeatism in the SAAF. Fighting for this country will be hard, our soldiers will suffer significant disadvantages compared to our presumed enemies.

The bottom line is that General Austerion is appointed chief of the SAAF by approval of the president. He may not be that experienced(although he's had battle experience which is more than I can say about a lot of SA nationals, including myself.)but he is organized, hard working and relentless.

SAAF = South African Air Force.. hehe

just a last comment - politicians make awfull generals, eg Uncle Adolf, whereas a true fighter like Erwin Rommel (remember him?)was not a politician.

As for McArthur he was an average general and an even worse politician - remember the invasion of North Korea led the world to the brink of nuclear war..

@Van Wyk - great comments! Also Me-262 I think you boys get what I am saying!

Then anybody interested in forming/joining a PMC contact me or "Executive Outcomes" South Africans have always made great mercs, as a friend pointed out, so lets get the ball rolling people, we are experimenting with this concept already and its working on a small scale. Once we gain strength and fighting power we can come help SA when the s#it hits the fan we’ll be prepared by then. Remember no Government funding but were there is a will there is a way , n Boer maak n plan!

Good! Fight for money all you like but keep it off my article.

Messerschmidt: Rommel was a commander of divisions during WWII and hardly a fighter. You do understand the difference between the two?

Rico, you are about to get a lesson in WAR history from Me-262, I am very positive about that so pay attention and you might get to learn something. Don’t get into a pissing contest with Me-262 he knows to much! As for keeping it of your article FREEDOM OF SPEECH do you know what that is!

We are getting organized and training already you guys loss your spread sheet OMG, LMAO, anyway have a nice day!

I have said what I wanted to so that’s it.

O your picture is fitting! Monkey with a gun.

Hmmmm…

In WW1 Rommel served in the 6th Wurttemburg Infantry Regiment which was part of the elite Alpine Corps (Alpenkorps). He gained a reputation for making quick tactical decisions and taking advantage of enemy confusion. He was wounded 3 times and received several Iron Crosses and the Pour la Merite. He was also captured in action.

Seems to me he was quite a fighter, maybe you should go read a bit.
Wikipeadia would be a good start mate…..

Therefore I do understand the distinction.. and just for the record Rommel commanded corps and panzer armies for most of WW2, not just mere divisions.

Exec: You're free to publish your own article about merc activities without spamming mine, there's your freedom of speech!

262: I know this, your "uncle Adolf" was also a fighter during the Great One(albeit not at all as succesful). That is why I used the words "during WWII" in my comment. The plural appendix at the end of the word "division" should indicate to you that there is more than one division. A corp is made up of several divisions. I'm not looking for a pissing contest but that doesn't mean that I'm not well versed in historical warfare. I wouldn't recommend wikipedia as a good source of confirmed information to anyone.

actually i dont have an uncle adolf, there is one called Gielie Growwegat and another called Gert Likkewaanstert..

As one who is well versed in historical warfare you would of course know that German soldiers in WW2 condescendingly referred to hitler as "uncle adolf" and that this was definitely not a term of endearment.

as i cant send you any of my books i referred you to wikipedia as a quick reference.

btt: i do support the concept of a south african army and thats why i initially joined up - i was a member of alpha company, 1st platoon.

as this is just a game i do want to experience the whole of the game and that would include being able to fight.

and sarfies have always been "wild geese", similar to the irish.

imo wanting to fight and gain experience does not mean that you are not a patriotic e-south african.

262: Dear sir, I have never opposed you or your right to gain experience in any way you see fit. Nor have I ever declared those activities to be unpatriotic.

What I have opposed is the all too hasty judgement of Austerion's capabilities dealt primarily by Shadow8. I'm also not sharing his concept of what makes or breaks a high ranking military commander.

Regarding the wehrmacht's affection for Hitler I'm am not one of those who believes the common german soldier was a mislead noble fighter. The opposition against Hitler(at every level)came to late or not at all and was far too feeble to have had any hope of success.

so if you dont practice fellatio on the article writers opinions its spam?

Not at all Me-262. The comments are there largely to make a debate possible. But if I comment on unrelated issues in any article of yours it constitutes spam.

Active recruitment to a merc outfit is considered spam when it appears in the comments of this article.