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Some of your facts are wrong buddy.

-eBE is always Pro-ONE ever since Mittekemuis's admin in last August or Sept. They are active in eUK and ePoland and fights for their behalf. They constantly fight against TEDEN countries and interest. They are a ONE country but without the balls to say so.

-eBE is only doing better now since the eBelgians went against their words. There was an understanding that this was a fun war in which no side will threaten congress election. It was the Belgians that back stab us and they demand Southern Netherlands as war loot. The Belgians are not better warriors but they have more MPP's at the time which we did or will remedy soon.

praat ABN! 😛

konrad, you're wrong on that. We've got both pro-TEDEN and pro-ONE members and we've had good relationships with TEDEN untill France invaded us because they wanted more regions (back in the days that poland still ruled halve germany and france negotiated itself some regions)

we tried to get MPP's woth both TEDEN and ONE member states. We do whatever we can do to be neutral. But some people here just can only think in a bipolar world view: either you're with us or against us. Well, sorry but we aren't playing in that game.

Konrad, I was talking with the Belgian President last night. They did not approve this "Fun" war. They actually don't want war. We should have set up good relations with them and we should have done training wars.

Nice article thanks. @konrad : remember you the time you was eBelgian, we never sew so a lot of problems. Stop to say we are not neutral, maybe several players, but stop to talk for us.

Good luck eNl with this clever troll.

Sure this war is pushing us on a side, but we didn't ask that. It's the eNl's fault.

Konrad Neumann, i would like to know with wich eBelgian you talked about this fun war.
You came in our country attacked conquered all, we pushed you back (for now) we conquered some and now you say "it was for fun that we attacked you what are you doing?".
For demanding Southern Netherlands, we already withdrew that and gave a peace without los of territories.

Konrad Neumann, ik zou willen weten met welke eBelg jij hebt gepraat over deze "leuke" oorlog.
Jullie kwamen in ons land veroverde alles, we hebben jullie terug geduwd (voor nu) en nu hebben wij 1 provincie van jullie en nu zeggen jullie "het was voor de lol dat we jullie aanvielen wat doen jullie nu?"
En voor het eisen van Zuid-Nederland we hebben jullie al nieuwe voorwaarden gegeven waarin niemand provincies verliest.

nice article 🙂

There was btw no agreement on anything, only thing happened was eNL cp declaring war and stating in 1 article that eBe will have it's regions for congress elections.

Belgium never was asked for any agreement and only for eNL CP was this a fun war

People always have to wine about something....

eBE was so much pro ONE that i got my chinese citizenship request accepted in less than one day, following the TEDEN CP channel for immigration, having TEDEN CP recommanding me to the Chinese CP...

About the agreement you talk about, is this what Auggy said on irc ? ("we will free you for congress maybe, if you are nice ?") Strange agreement if you ask me (and Auggy refused to make a public treaty about it or it would have become a "training war"... So if we accepted to give up our regions for 15 days, we would have the right to have a Congress, but not if we resisted ?)

Backstabbing the NL ? While NL citizens have no problem to attack a country which gave them back 390 gold stolen by their own government ? Notie wasn't alone in this set up, and you know it : where are the thousands of guns, thousands of nlg, thousands of gold ? Several people were involved, but no one seems to care about it in eNL and everyone do like nothing happened. But yes, it's eBE which backstabbed eNL... You should give them a foreign affairs lesson too perhaps... : - /

Nice article. :- ) Voted and subbed. Allow me to answer to your statements.

1 - We could have a long discussion about whether is it better to have a neutral neighbour than one that is pro-ONE. But the first point was seen from the eyes of Belgium. For Belgium, it is better to have allies than to only have neighbours that look at you in a suspicious way: are you neutral or are you against us?

2 - Active citizens have dropped 20-40 in the past days? 1) Where do these statistics come from? 2) Who says they didn't drop by 30-50 before?

3 - The Dutch regions are for sure retaken now, we are attacking Wallonia at the moment. The Dutch regions were reconquered almost faster than that they were lost.

4 - Asking Belgium 'Hey, what about joining TEDEN!' would have been a very stupid thing to do. The Belgians just didn't want to join an alliance, nothing would have changed that. Training Wars were an option, but a Training War is uninteresting AND confusing to our members: are we at war? What do you mean, 'Training War'? All of Europe is having real fights and we get to play in the kindergarten?

5 - We did get to know eachother. Whether you get to know your enemy in a good or a bad way is up to yourselve. I personally have found that it is possible to have real and good discussions with Belgians. I have spoken to Nohjis in a really interesting discussion and I think Nohjis and I would be able to have a good cooperation in the future, if needed.
Being an enemy of someones country does not mean being an enemy of someones person.

Greetings and honoured by your reaction to my article,
Mattio
Vice President

And this is our VP^
LOL

First of all, training wars happen all over. Especially in eChina and eNorth Korea. That's mostly why China has most of the strongest players.

Second, I watch to see how many people are in the country. Since we started losing our regions, we went from around 740 to 680.

Third, I have had interesting discussions with the Belgians too. They think you and Auggy are idiots. You two are an embarrassment to this country.

+1 Mr Ambassador.

Very nice article

I find it funny. The Belgians are using moralistic language and talk of peace. What happen to the silly treaty about Southern NL to be ceded to eBE etc? What about turning over our coffee shops and teach the evil Dutch a lesson? Oh wait, war is not going well for you guys again. Now you want peace again.

“Woe to the statesman whose arguments for entering a war are not as convincing at its end as they were at the beginning.”

The Belgians should heed the words of Otto von Bismarck. Auggy knows how the war will go. He knows of Dutch capabilities and the support we will get etc. The Belgians still lack understanding in this regard. They went on a counterattacking striving for something that they cannot get. They start a second phase of the war in which they cannot finish.

In the game this is a game of the realist ideals. The weak never dictate outright. They work within the system to gain power and dominance. The eBE does not have any power nor rights to complain of the predicament that is self inflicted. We need not to consult with the Belgians on any issues if we deemed not to.

Konrad, of course we can wipe them out but holding and keeping their regions, we cannot bear...and remember, Comrade Konrad, all it takes is a single act of aggression to permanently wound a nation's reputation.

Ahem ahem... sorry but eBelgium wanted peace when eNed conquered our regions, when we fought back, when we conquered regions of eNed, even when eNed lost the 1st RW.. and we still want Peace 😁

Mr Ambassador, it's getting more and more clear that you are NOT willing to have a debate. To make a change in things, certainly in high political things like this situation, it is NOT enough to say "LOL" as an answer to your opponent.

I have read your article with great joy. I am in favour of every discussion, no matter who it's with, no matter what the subject is, no matter what anyone thinks about me or my political decisions. I have voted this article because I think it is worth to be read by a LOT of our people. I have subscribed to your newspaper because I THOUGHT that you were a reasonable and wise person that is able to have a serious opinion and give real arguments.

I am disappointed in you and the way you seem to want to have a discussion. I offer you one chance to make a real comment on my answer, to consider my opinion and to stop calling anyone you don't agree with "idiots" and "an embarrassment to our country". Please take that chance, for I am willing to have a real discussion.

When I accepted your citizenship (yep, that was me), I thought I had brought in a reasonable person. I still think you can make my wish come true.

If we'd only both wanted to have a real discussion. ;- )

Great article, voted and subbed! It's ridiculous for small neighbouring nations to be involved in a war (other than a training war), and it's just as ridiculous how little we know each other and how quickly negative emotions towards each other can grow...

And agreed with Mattio above, an open and constructive debate should be held in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

I'm happy to see that still some of our eDutch brothers have faith in the eNL-eBE friendship. I don't mind having a good battle from time to time but I think it's time to end this war, at least to give everybody the chance to prepare the congress elections.

Mattio, look at the votes and comments. I won the debate.

@Mattio : with respect, are you a ebelgian, to speak in our place? You are speaking about eBelgium but are you in the congress of this country, do you really know our position, or actions of the population, i don't think.

Mr Ambassador: you now have officially failed for me. In a discussion like this one, it is impossible to 'win' or 'lose', neither can you say "look at the votes" to prove that you've 'won'. I could say the same: 'Look at the world map - apparently, enough eDutch have fate in this war.

I feel sorry to let go my hope of you. I had wished that it would be possible to have a real, serious discussion with you about this. We may not agree, but we don't have to speak with eachother as if we are enemies.

@Aldous and Mattio , we are trying to have real discussions since the beginning of the war. First week: eNL government didn't answer, when we putted the battlefield in their regions they started to have reaction to our president's message, but without constructive debates.

And now you want a real debat with respect ? Where is respect for 2 weeks ? We are just spitting each other for 2 weeks. (eNL as eBe)

@Konrad, we are asking peace for days, but maybe you didn't see it...

We were friends for years now, could we triy not erase everything in one term? Perhaps time to get out of our bunkers and start talking seriously about everyone's expectations and the possibilities for compromise that is offered to us.

Mattio, are you blind? Only a few want this war. I just replied and gave my answer to all of your responses and now you are just mumbling on about how I failed you and how you have hope for me...It's quite funny, but I don't need your approval or liking.

Dude many of us are fighting for Belgium because, those people were really nice to us. I remember well my first visit on #ebrussels and warm welcoming. Those people are really great. And don't be so harsh, this is all the game, we are logging out and then meeting for a beer😛 War is a part of erepublic. And this little war between BE and NL is really fine. I was convinced that BE has no chances at all, but when we saw those shouts we gladly helped 😛
And I hold great respect both to belgium and netherlands players o/

I have named your article in this publishment, Mr Ambassador: http://tinyurl.com/wardebates

Please, stay open for discussion. ;- )

First of all I find it funny that someone who has played this game over a year, thought that one of the priorities of the eNL should be to attack the swiss for a resource bonuses. This person was Mr. Ambasador.

The truth is your article is desturbing for the inaccuracies it contains.
1) eBE has always held pro ONE views, our allies support us so naturally the will ally themselves with our enemies.
2-3)Even if the number of new citizens may decrease, we have seen an increase of our citizens active on IRC and become more active in the game in general. That is VERY important for us, after all we should also focus on the palyers we have since this helps cause our community to grow in the long term. This is one of the aspects of long term vision. Also Mr Ambassador you are a very ignorant player 🙂
4. This game is based on creating a sense of nationalism. War does that.
5. More activity on irc, again see the answer for 2 &3


Also I would like to comment once again on the fact of a fun war.
eRep is based on war. This is a fun war since we in the NL see it as a fun war. Our congress has approved this war on two separate occasions. We never wanted a training war, since it is based on rules, and that takes the unknown element out of it. Furthermore raining wars are soemthing from V1 of this game and are no longer applicable in this game. Its the unknown element, that is the fun of it! eBelgium has always been untrustworthy of the eNL. The eNL never cared about that opinion. We are at war. It is part of the game.

However if you look in the eNL media you see that this is the only article against the war with eBE. If you look in other topics you see the belgians trying to sabotage relationships with our friends, and interfering with this nations politics and congress. For that they have overstepped their bounds and possible consequences may be carried out.

Mr Ambassador are yousure that you are not a Belgian @ heart?

So yes, eBE is bad if we try to resist, we should just have let you take our lands and wait for a congress, if you are in a good mood... If we try to fight too, as you, we become traitors and we need to face consequences. You should just assume your position, and have the balls to announce it : this is not a fun war, it's a conquest war. You just presented as a fun war to get a congress majority, and it's sad.

How can eBE could have always been pro ONE when several of our citizens fighted for eNL to liberate you from eNL ? How could we have been untrustworthy while we have donated you 390 gold one week before the war ?

If you wanted to help your alliance, and to make your trial membership/GEA a success, i don't think that wasting millions of damages in eBE was a good idea, adding the fact to create a new ennemy. But you were right on one thing : eBE is more easy to attack than ePoland for example, a country that have occupied you for months... But then there was risks... I consider also risks as part of the game, with wars, but once again, it takes courage and honor.

It is a shame Auggy has managed to convince himself of such ludicrous ideas.
eBelgium is Pro-ONE? Since when? In fact, our nation is militantly neutral.
This is a fun war? No one thinks its a fun war except you, if you even still believe that lie.
eBelgium has always been untrustworhy of the eNL? What? We sent you your Gold back without even considering it. It was virtually unanimous.
eBelgium is not only not sabotaging your relations, we don't want to mess with your Congress either. Our existence on Dutch soil was simply to keep the war off our soil and perhaps broker a peace agreement.
I'm glad your so "nuts" you not only see Belgian plots everywhere, you actually want to do something about it. Well, at least your not accusing your own people of anything.

>Mr Ambassador are yousure that you are not a Belgian @ heart?

Oh wait.

With regard to the "fun" war, a game between cat and mouse may be "fun" for the cat, but not so much for the mouse. It doesn't matter how much the leaders of eNL argue to the contrary, you were the aggressors against a peaceful neighbor, and have no right to whine if we took steps to defend ourselves. Next time, try making it fun for both sides, why don't you?

Auggy, no I am not Belgian at heart...I am eDutch. I believe in freedom of speech and doing whatever it takes to make sure immature Presidents, like yourself, stay out of office. I had a lot of eDutch people message me today telling myself how they agree with my article. I have talked to a few PP's who don't think you should be in office anymore. We are a pro-EDEN nation. We should be using our resources to fight for EDEN and put an end to ONE. Not push a neutral country into the arms of one. War is fun, yes, but it's especially fun when you attack a nation that deserves to be attacked. But Auggy, I see where you are coming from..I suppose leadership at one time meant muscles; but sadly, today it means getting along with people.

I am tired of people not understanding this game.

its called a multiplayer strategy game.

not a 'drink tea with the other country's game'

Start playing the game as it should be, fight and conquer lands!

The biggest advantage of this war is that it effectively is a training war, in the sense that our players fight a lot and gain rank and strength points because of that. Because we do not call it a training war, players fight intensively, making it more effective.
When it started there still was trust between the nations, and I believe there was an informal agreement that both nations would have a full congress.

I'm not certain when it went wrong, but obviously at the moment the fun is running out, and the hatred is increasing.
Clearly the eBelgian president's first peace proposal with the ridiculous demands did not do much good.
And coming with a more serious proposal that soon afterwards just caused confusion.
We were still discussing a reaction to the first proposal.
Also, the second proposal came at a time we were convinced we were winning, although we were 2 regions behind. Accepting that proposal would have meant that we'd have lost face, while we had the better hand. Therefore, also the second proposal seemed an insult.

I hope we can end this war in a neat manner. But how to get there is unfortunately not quite clear yet...
Perhaps the Belgians should acknowledge our superiority?? 😛

@artem indeed, exactly my point

+1 voor Artem!

+1 voor Artem!
x2

Maybe Mr. Ambassador belongs in Belgium, with the rest of those leftist pacifists who don't get the essence of this game.... Or perhaps join some retarded party irl like PvdD....

If it is effectively a training war, then it should've been proposed as such, between two willing nations.
Now it was one country suddenly declaring war on the other country out of 'fun' and the other country making silly demands after they realised it wasn't fun for them.

First people wined that the game got boring...
Now people are wining about the war...
Should we stop it, so the first group of people can start wining again???

Its never good is it?

Nice words comrad! Stop the war...

@Artem strategy is now a synonym of war ? Great thank you for the information 😑"

Let the belgians whine, who cares about their country anyway. You sure as heck didnt convince me to have "peace" with you. Why do you play a game that has a war aspect to it, and complain when a war breaks out? I will gladly watch as your country becomes part of the dutch empire again.

"...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." -Bible (New Testament) St Matthew 26:52.

and find our common peach again!
I find this rather hilarious.