Public Vote [IMPORTANT]
Day 1,116, 10:59
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by graduallynevele
Stem opp dette, er det viktig.
Please vote this up, it's important.
Leave your vote as a comment, pm to me, message on the forum, newspaper post, whatever. I want as many votes as possible to get a good consensus.
Dette kommer til å være rask: Jeg ønsket å holde en offentlig stemme før du tar noen endelige beslutning. Jeg representerer deg, vil jeg ikke ta en alvorlig beslutning uten populære valget.
To temaer har oppstått på forums om fremtiden for Norge. Enten kunne skje i semesteret min, bør vi velge den.
Scandinavian Union.
Land Exchange.
1) Den skandinaviske Union er et tema som har vært vist i noen naboer "nyheter. Hvis du har lest, kan du vite at Sverige og Danmark er kombinere for å bekjempe en kroatisk PTO. Sverige tar alle land som tørke, noe som vil resultere i det lange løp, av et fritt statsborgerskap når som helst Danmark frigjør seg selv, og som de nye reglene staten, hvis de tørkes, taper Danmark alle selskaper til Sverige.
2) Landet Exchange har vært i samtaler for en stund. Den eneste land swap i øyeblikket er Trøndelag (Olje) for Jämtland Härjedalen(Hjort), med Sverige. Vi kan egentlig ikke gjøre noe med Finland for en stund, siden de bare er interessert (for nå) i Vestlandet, som de eier selv frem til 1. januar 2011, uansett. I januar, er det sannsynlig vi vil flytte inn i Lapland (Jern).
Det er også mulighet for å gjøre absolutt ingenting.
Min posisjon på det skandinaviske Union (Sitert fra forumet):
"Jeg var der i løpet av Sverige-Danmark snakker om gjenforening. Ærlig talt, jeg ville være for det rett og slett fordi ja, vi er små. Sveriges fikk en befolkning på rundt 2000, og har en aktiv militær. Deres økonomi er flott og vi" d alle ha nytte av de ressursene vi har rundt oss. Vi ville ikke egentlig selv trenger å bekymre deg over en landswap mellom Jämtland og Trøndelag. Sverige bare kunne holde begge, og vi hadde både nytte.
Men, ikke alle kommer til å være for det, er jeg sikker på.
Danmark er i en posisjon hvor de har lidd av en PTO av kroater. Vi er fine, for øyeblikket. Vi har hatt kraftuttak i det siste, og sannsynligvis vil i fremtiden. Men akkurat nå? Vi er fine. Vi har nettopp hatt en god, konkurransedyktig valg for første gang i, helvete, et par måneder.
Vi er greit å holde vår egen, for nå. Vi trenger bare litt ekstra beskyttelse av og til."
Jeg er egentlig ikke sikker på at vi trenger det, men det vil definitivt hjelpe. Vi har kommet langt fra hendelsene i løpet av sommeren, og Freke legger mye arbeid i å få Norge restartet og kjører. Jeg hater å se at innsatsen bare renne til å bli ett med Sverige, men det kan ikke ignoreres at en union med de andre, vil styrke regionen.
Jeg vil gjerne be deg om ikke å stemme instinktivt, men tenke på det en stund. Veie alternativene og stem hva du synes er best. Dette er ditt valg, ikke mitt.
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This is going to be quick: I wanted to hold a public vote before making any ultimate decision. I represent you, I will not make a severe decision without the popular choice.
Two topics have arisen on the forums regarding the future of Norway. Either could happen during my term, should we choose it.
Scandinavian Union.
Land Exchange.
1) The Scandinavian Union is a topic that has been appearing in some neighbors' news. If you've been reading, you may know that Sweden and Denmark are combining in order to fight off a Croatian PTO. Sweden is taking all lands as a wipe, which will result, in the long run, of a free citizenship anytime Denmark frees itself, and as the new rules state, if wiped, Denmark loses all companies to Sweden.
2) The Land Exchange has been in talks for awhile. The only land swap at the moment is Trondelag (Oil) for Jamtland Harjedalen (Deer), with Sweden. We can't really do anything with Finland for awhile, since they're only interested (for now) in Vestlandet, which they own until 1 January, 2011, anyway. In January, it's likely we'd move into Lapland (Iron).
There's also the option of doing absolutely nothing.
My position on the Scandinavian Union (Quoted from the forums):
"I was there during the Sweden-Denmark talks of unification. Honestly, I'd be for it simply because yeah, we're small. Sweden's got a population of around 2000, and has an active military. Their economy's great and we'd all benefit from the resources we have around us. We wouldn't really even need to worry about a landswap between Jamtland and Trondelag. Sweden could just hold both and we'd both benefit.
However, not everyone's going to be for that, I'm sure.
Denmark's in a position where they have suffered from a PTO by Croats. We're fine, at the moment. We've had PTOs in the past, and likely will in the future. But right now? We're fine. We just had a good, competitive election for the first time in, hell, a couple months.
We're okay holding our own, for now. We just need some added protection now and again."
I'm really not sure we need it, but it'd definitely help. We've come a long way from the events during the summer, and Freke put a lot of effort into getting Norway rebooted and running. I'd hate to see that effort just drain into becoming one with Sweden, but it can't be ignored that a union with the others would strengthen the region.
I'd like to ask you not to vote instinctively, but think about it for awhile. Weigh the options and vote what you think is best. This is your choice, not mine.
Please vote this up, it's important.
Leave your vote as a comment, pm to me, message on the forum, newspaper post, whatever. I want as many votes as possible to get a good consensus.
Dette kommer til å være rask: Jeg ønsket å holde en offentlig stemme før du tar noen endelige beslutning. Jeg representerer deg, vil jeg ikke ta en alvorlig beslutning uten populære valget.
To temaer har oppstått på forums om fremtiden for Norge. Enten kunne skje i semesteret min, bør vi velge den.
Scandinavian Union.
Land Exchange.
1) Den skandinaviske Union er et tema som har vært vist i noen naboer "nyheter. Hvis du har lest, kan du vite at Sverige og Danmark er kombinere for å bekjempe en kroatisk PTO. Sverige tar alle land som tørke, noe som vil resultere i det lange løp, av et fritt statsborgerskap når som helst Danmark frigjør seg selv, og som de nye reglene staten, hvis de tørkes, taper Danmark alle selskaper til Sverige.
2) Landet Exchange har vært i samtaler for en stund. Den eneste land swap i øyeblikket er Trøndelag (Olje) for Jämtland Härjedalen(Hjort), med Sverige. Vi kan egentlig ikke gjøre noe med Finland for en stund, siden de bare er interessert (for nå) i Vestlandet, som de eier selv frem til 1. januar 2011, uansett. I januar, er det sannsynlig vi vil flytte inn i Lapland (Jern).
Det er også mulighet for å gjøre absolutt ingenting.
Min posisjon på det skandinaviske Union (Sitert fra forumet):
"Jeg var der i løpet av Sverige-Danmark snakker om gjenforening. Ærlig talt, jeg ville være for det rett og slett fordi ja, vi er små. Sveriges fikk en befolkning på rundt 2000, og har en aktiv militær. Deres økonomi er flott og vi" d alle ha nytte av de ressursene vi har rundt oss. Vi ville ikke egentlig selv trenger å bekymre deg over en landswap mellom Jämtland og Trøndelag. Sverige bare kunne holde begge, og vi hadde både nytte.
Men, ikke alle kommer til å være for det, er jeg sikker på.
Danmark er i en posisjon hvor de har lidd av en PTO av kroater. Vi er fine, for øyeblikket. Vi har hatt kraftuttak i det siste, og sannsynligvis vil i fremtiden. Men akkurat nå? Vi er fine. Vi har nettopp hatt en god, konkurransedyktig valg for første gang i, helvete, et par måneder.
Vi er greit å holde vår egen, for nå. Vi trenger bare litt ekstra beskyttelse av og til."
Jeg er egentlig ikke sikker på at vi trenger det, men det vil definitivt hjelpe. Vi har kommet langt fra hendelsene i løpet av sommeren, og Freke legger mye arbeid i å få Norge restartet og kjører. Jeg hater å se at innsatsen bare renne til å bli ett med Sverige, men det kan ikke ignoreres at en union med de andre, vil styrke regionen.
Jeg vil gjerne be deg om ikke å stemme instinktivt, men tenke på det en stund. Veie alternativene og stem hva du synes er best. Dette er ditt valg, ikke mitt.
________________________________________________________________________
This is going to be quick: I wanted to hold a public vote before making any ultimate decision. I represent you, I will not make a severe decision without the popular choice.
Two topics have arisen on the forums regarding the future of Norway. Either could happen during my term, should we choose it.
Scandinavian Union.
Land Exchange.
1) The Scandinavian Union is a topic that has been appearing in some neighbors' news. If you've been reading, you may know that Sweden and Denmark are combining in order to fight off a Croatian PTO. Sweden is taking all lands as a wipe, which will result, in the long run, of a free citizenship anytime Denmark frees itself, and as the new rules state, if wiped, Denmark loses all companies to Sweden.
2) The Land Exchange has been in talks for awhile. The only land swap at the moment is Trondelag (Oil) for Jamtland Harjedalen (Deer), with Sweden. We can't really do anything with Finland for awhile, since they're only interested (for now) in Vestlandet, which they own until 1 January, 2011, anyway. In January, it's likely we'd move into Lapland (Iron).
There's also the option of doing absolutely nothing.
My position on the Scandinavian Union (Quoted from the forums):
"I was there during the Sweden-Denmark talks of unification. Honestly, I'd be for it simply because yeah, we're small. Sweden's got a population of around 2000, and has an active military. Their economy's great and we'd all benefit from the resources we have around us. We wouldn't really even need to worry about a landswap between Jamtland and Trondelag. Sweden could just hold both and we'd both benefit.
However, not everyone's going to be for that, I'm sure.
Denmark's in a position where they have suffered from a PTO by Croats. We're fine, at the moment. We've had PTOs in the past, and likely will in the future. But right now? We're fine. We just had a good, competitive election for the first time in, hell, a couple months.
We're okay holding our own, for now. We just need some added protection now and again."
I'm really not sure we need it, but it'd definitely help. We've come a long way from the events during the summer, and Freke put a lot of effort into getting Norway rebooted and running. I'd hate to see that effort just drain into becoming one with Sweden, but it can't be ignored that a union with the others would strengthen the region.
I'd like to ask you not to vote instinctively, but think about it for awhile. Weigh the options and vote what you think is best. This is your choice, not mine.
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JEG VIL IKKE FALLE UNDER DET SVENSKE FLAGG!
Hvis dette skjer, reiser jeg
I WILL NOT FALL UNDER THE SWEDISH FLAG!
If this happens, i will leave
Seriously people - important stuff here. Get your views heard!
haha, vi har vært under både Danmark og Sverige før, Det mest nøytrale hadde vært om DE var under vårt flagg 😛
Please vote, if you're going to leave a comment.
So far it's one, I'll count it as for the land-swap, but not union. 😛 Try to be clear with any votes, too.
I will not fall under the swedish flag!
If this happens, i will fight to return norwegian flag (because it is game however) 🙂
I support good relationship with Denmark and Sweden but as eNorway.
We have what we have and can use it.
Land-swap is OK with Denmark, Sweden and Finland. 🙂
(Vestlandet already swapped)
Jeg tror at vi må diskutere dette med å bytte områder litt mere, jeg kan ivertfall ikke se noe klart flertall for denne handelen. Syns også at vi burde finne en bedre måte og stemme på dette, (stemme gjennom en avis syns jeg kan bli veldig klussete)
I think we shall discuss this topic some more. i, for one can't see that the majority want this. And i also think that we should have a more lucid presentation of this topic. Don't take this the wrong way but voting trough a newspaper is not good enough
I think we should just go back to Svalbard, the mainland is of no importance😛
@Christopher Moe: I know it's not. Problem is, it's really hard to get a consensus vote, here. Not everyone's on IRC/the forums, and I certainly don't talk with every citizen via pm. :/
Since there's enough of an outcry, though, I'm pretty sure that's fair enough to say it's not going to happen. I'll keep letting anyone comment/pm me/whatever, though, for awhile. Land-swap will likely still go through, one way or another, I'm thinkin'.
I think we should not do it untill we get a majority vote. (thats why it's called a democracy) 😛
In which case no Union's won by the first vote. 😉
Nei, nei og nei. Man er borte på ferie en liten stund og kommer hjem til dette...huff.
Nå må jeg si at og ende opp i en union med sverige ringer ikke pent i mine ører. For å redde Norge sin identitet må vi holde oss langt unna dette forslaget.
Når det gjelder det andre forslaget må vi huske at demokratiet har mye å si. Hvis ikke alle er enige om det, må det bli holdt et valg om det. Hvis presidenten/kongressen gjør dette uten folkets støtte ligger det ikke mye i ordet folkevalgt regjering.
Etter hva jeg har sett i komentarene her ligger det noen uenigheter, og hvis dette ikke blir gjort på en riktig måte tror jeg moralen i dette landet kommer til og synke (det er noe vi ikke trenger i en tid som dette)
Med vennelig hilsen
Karl Reverud
I think the best thing to do is to have a vote on the forum. and tell people to vote, thats the best thing to do.
we are not gonna fall under the sweedish flag, but we are talking to get one region from them, and rent one region to them.
@Karl: Thus the vote. 🙂
@Kenneth: Well, I'll put something up on the forums then. Everyone shout something about it, to get it attention.
I'm pretty sure, at this point, however, there's a strong, resounding "NO." on the union. I'm not going to act towards it. As far as the region swapping goes, I think we're going to go through with that. The forums have had open discussion for awhile and enough people think Deer is more important than Oil for Norway, right now. We're not the biggest weapons manufacturer, and food's pretty important.
Yeaaah, poll.
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Some region swapping sounds fine by me.
Vote 🙂
I also think the region swapping is smart. I will add extra bonus for your businesses, which in the bigger picture is a positive thing for your economy.
People need to realise that this is only a game, and it is not controlled by the same logic as in real life. You have to be able to think strategic about your decitions and not let yourself be controlled by petty nationalism.
So again, with a deer region norwgian food companies will get an extra 5% production boost.
But I do no think giving away both your oil regions is a smart move. So if you swap Trøndelag with Sweden, you should get Vestlandet back from Finland
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I voted in the forum but to publicly state: I'm fine with the land swap, but definitely against any union. We've fought PTOs and we'll see more in the future, but we should keep our sovereignty unless we're truly in trouble. Denmark is apparently in trouble and this is a way to start fresh for them. We are not (at the moment) in this position.
To be honest, I'm all for making a scandinavian union. It will richen the economy and overall fun of playing this and whatnot. Norway has been low on population far too long and very many are idling, me myself including from time to time.
But if a lot of people would indeed leave or quit if we unite the countries as they threaten to do, I can't say it's worth it. We don't want to loose the core Norwegians over that, any day.
But swapping some regions we definately could do.
I voted for the unification of scandinavia
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