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Bruck waiting for the 35k BTW

yeah bruck not to mention who are you to talk about ethics when you just tried to have a party TOed?

SHAME! SHENANIGANS!*Grabs broom to wap Bruck*

The government is trying to purge its opponents. We should have realized Jacobi is just a first name. The full name is Jacobi Joseph Stalin.

As a Justice of the Supreme Court I would like to point out that the issue had been resolved by the Supreme Court. The Court reversed its decision, and citing lack of evidence in the case, dismissed it. Congress then ignored the ruling and had Dean's citizenship revoked anyway. To this date the Supreme Court has never convicted anyone, and yet Congress has revoked the citizenship of two eCanadians. The argument put forward by the defense for the government's action is that it took the form of an executive order, which now needs congressional approval.

I would also ask that all parties cease attempting to exploit the Supreme Court to publicly exact political revenge upon their enemies. If you raise an issue within the court, please save your barbs and slings until the Supreme Court has ruled on the matter, and keep your arguments in court where they belong.

In regards to the Dean vs Augustus issue, I would ask you two to show the respect for this institution and each other that is deserved. If you two want to duke it out like three year olds holding a tantrum, do so on IRC or on MSN. The Supreme Court is no place for childish antics.

The issue stalling the Supreme Court at this moment is the inactivity of Halve, the Chief Justice. The remaining Supreme Court Justices are now taking steps to rectify the issue, to name a new Chief Justice in the interim. We have contacted Jacobi about creating a deliberative chamber for the Supreme Court within the forums, and an appointment of an active replacement for Halve on the Supreme Court, to bring our number up to the required 5.

When these issues have been resolved, then the Supreme Court can rule on these issues.

Accountability.... A word that means so much and yet so little.

Burk when are you going to hold yourself responsible for AR's actions over and over seeing as you apointed him to MoF and LEFT him there even after multiple scandles and then supported this same person for president?

From everything i have seen and read it would seem Congress under your rule Burk was trying to PURGE eCanada of one of the few ppl that dared rock your pretty boat? Dean22...

If the court had ruled, congress should not have dissmissed they're ruling and revoked Dean's citizanship

If it was an executive order then it must be ratified by Congress vote or the decision will be overturned after 5 days

I would get the official Constitution section but the forum seems to be down.

Dean22 was banned far before I was President

Cypher is a government goon Bruck, pay no attention to him, he attacks you yet he doesn't even know when, why, or how Dean was banned. He thinks you did it! lol

I'd have to say the statement that Dean 22 caused Jacobi to win the election by slandering AR is a bit ludicrous. Everyone had their own reasons for voting the way they did and to say that one person caused an electoral upset is pretty silly. The other facts you bring up however are seemingly an abuse of power and must be investigated but who as the power to investigate and take action against the President except the Congress. Maybe the supreme court but by the time the case gets heard and deliberated on there'll be a new election anyway. This is definitely in their court and if they conclude wrong doing against the eCanadian people they have the power to judge. But do they have the power to enforce their judgement.

Now Burk was there not multiple votes in congress on weather or not to over turn this ruling that should never have happened? And did you over turn it? exactly my point here

No Cypher, Bruck never overturned any vote and EVERY vote ended with a supermajority voting to keep Dean22 suspended.

Wow, this Dean guys sounds like a bum. Don't give him citizenship! I shouldn't have voted for Jacobi 🙁

So burks supporters 15 everyone else that follows the law 5.... Thank god for a new government

Yes Scorpius, a Supermajority is less than 75% is it not?

Lol Cypher at the time the CSD held power in Congress, not Bruck. And everytime he voted it passed, this new government SPECIFICALLY avoided a new vote. If it was all Bruck then why do everything possible to avoid a vote?

There is a lot more to that story if you look into the case in the supreme court. That is just a brief overview of the accuser, Augustus Baldwin, without proof. If this statement was true there would be more of an uprising in congress, but there really has been no objection to this except by the former members, a.k.a Bruck, and Augustus.

How many articles has this past administration posted that is bashing Jacobi and his job so far? I advise people to make their decision not on this propaganda, but on the actual case and facts.

Perhaps due to the fact that the First Vote never should have happened. If the court made a rulling it should have stuck. just becasue congress didn't like the verdict does that mean it can go ahead and hold a vote anyways, completely ignoring the courts desission!

So your saying every time the vote was held when Burk was in power it stuck?

From my understanding again the vote was in Febuary, burk was in power from march to may... and "multiple votes" were held after the original.. would that not be while Burk was in charge?

My names Bruck

Ciphr Ral

The original vote happened while Zanalan/CSD were in power. The CSD held power in Congress when Bruck was President as well. So both Bruck and his opponents voted in favor of this several times.

Anyways, the Supreme Court is not God of the Congress. Canada has 3 equal branches of government, the Supreme Court does not have final say over everything, and Congress can get around Supreme Court deicions through legislation. The Supreme Court can rule on the consitutionality of such Congresional legislation, which it has not, becuase Jacobi and his cabinet refuse to let the legality of Jacobi's order be reviewed by the court.

Funny how that works eh? They oppose a Congressional vote on the matter, they oppose letting the Supreme Court decide if they acted illegally. What are they afraid of?

Some of us in congress are trying to have this addressed however Jacobi nor his supporters are willing to respond or take accountability for their actions.

*Gasp*

As long as they don't give Dean any position of power it'll be okay though 🙂

Two things to ask you Bruck.

Where's the password for the National Bank of Canada and where's the money you still owe the government?

This was a bad move on your part.

P.S. Gets your facts straight.

Dean22 was banned far before I was President

He was never banned according to the constitution of Canada.

yeah bruck as i said before. you are in no position to criticize. get another one of your CEP hacks who HASNT lost us hundreds of gold to do this dirty work

By the looks of it the government has no defense, everytime someone points out that they are acting illegally all they say is: "well you did this" or "you did that!"

You realize laws are laws for EVERYONE, right?

and you have yet to point out a legitimate time where we have breached a law.

The legal argument is simple.

Congress has no authority to revoke citizenship. In fact, since Reserve powers are under the purview of the President, only I may revoke citizenship.

And then, only for 14 days. After that, the constitution stipulates that one becomes a citizen.

Laws are for everyone.

Well then why don't we let the Supreme Court decide?

Whats wrong with accountability?

augustus. it is not necessary for the supreme court to decide because there is really no argument when you get down to the facts.

however if the court so chooses they can hear the case. the court isnt part of the jacobi administration and you cant blame us for their decisions

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-citizen-times-interview-with-former-pm-bruck-830144/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-[..]/1/20 My interview with bruck, look it up

Funny how AB wants the court to decide, did the court not decidee Dean should not have his citzenship revoke? sure you trust them?

And burk don't bug me how you spell my name 😃 so have all the fun in the world.

But the thing is that Burk there tried to silence the fastest-growing party in Canada by TOing it then scapegoating a legitimate player.
Burkburkburkburk.
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burk is a bad bad man

The question I pose is: what has Dean22 contributed to Canada?
He's been banned since I knew about him, but that hasn't stopped him organizing strikes (rea😛 "disruptive eRiots") and posting smear articles. I would have been more impressed if his efforts in the last campaign had been in SUPPORT of Jacobi rather than smashing the incumbent CEP and their candidate AR.

I'm actually kind of glad Dean's around; he makes the role-play element at least three times as fun by being Canada's official enemy! But in the spirit of that RP enmity, re-instating his citizenship is a bad move--especially if it was done without a full congressional vote!

I still say it's too early to start smashing Jacobi's leadership overall--he could turn out to be an awesome PM yet--but having any part in letting Dean22 back in is a bad move.

p.s. I never thought I was OCD, but if I read one more person spell Bruck's name wrong I'm gonna have a twitch for the rest of my life.

From the Nationally publicized press conference, jeeze you're irrelevant, AB

"Jacobi: And I am positive that the decision to grant him citizenship masking on the forums
will be challenged in the Supreme Court, as it should be, and that this situation will be
permanently resolved in that august Chamber as Congress and I would like."

yes, more blood!
one question, though. how does vincent valentine get to say he's a supreme court justice when he's only a level 7????? politicians need to be at a certain level, and even then it is nearly impossible to break into the old boys network. is he an older player who is starting a new account? somebody explain

he is vincent chaotic, an older player who got banned for making a multi-related mistake a while ago. he is an experienced politician

ok, so lemmie get this straight: each of the two major parties in ecanada don't trust each other and are trying to bring each other down. we have banned players making decisions in the supreme court. the hungarians are somewhere in the middle trying to take us over, and we still can't find a bunch of money/gold, etc....?
this is wayyyy too good to be true

"Where's the password for the National Bank of Canada?"

Really?

Jacobi didn't win because of the scandals. You should give Canadians a bit more credit than that. Sure, they probably helped, but Jacobi is a highly visible citizen, with great ideas and vision. He also had the endorsement of the CSD. This is a disingenuous article which smacks of desperation on the part of the CEP.

Grasping on to the scraps of the political plate, the CEP is trying to derail a Booming government as it would mean the good old boys would have to let the slaves go! Let the women Vote! And go back to being a Normal citizen! Great work Jacobi!!


DAL FTW

The Password to the National Bank of Canada was lost 3 months ago as well as the 2 gold and 4.5 CAD! Heavens no! Get over it and found a new org

Derail? hardly, I'm simply pointing out that our new President has allowed a dangerous enemy of Canada to be a citizen and has done so without the approval of Congress or the Supreme Court.

The way I understand
Congress Makes the Laws
The court interprets the laws

Congress should never have been able to revoke Deans citizenship, because that isn't their jurisdiction. Court members are chosen because they are unbiased, wise and respectful. In this way all cases are fair and square. Congress, unfortunately, suffers from bias which is why we shouldn't, and don't, have the power to interfere with the rights of our citizens.

Besides, things have gotten so much more interesting since Dean has returned 😛 why send him away?

Like i said, the congress did not get the desision they wanted so they chose to try another path to purge dean from eCanada and now it is coming to light how wrong they were!

And Burk i say derail cause again you lack any level of humbelness and instead make these comments in the form of an attack, not as a citizen offering a certain level of concern.

Face it your GOLD boy lost cause he dropped the ball and now your out too.

Jacobi keep up the great work of upholding our rights!

DAL FTW

"Court members are chosen because they are unbiased, wise and respectful."


you forgot banned

Vincent was banned for a multi he made when he began playing the game earlier. He admits to the mistake, apologized and has taken the blame. Several players have been banned, it does not, and should not make any difference weather a court member was banned or not, because Vincent along with the justices, excels in all of these traits and is a superb choice for the courts.

ya ignoring discussions with congress and doing as he wishes sure sounds like a booming government.

You would love for it to be about the cep being out to get you but how about we stop with the propaganda and deal with the issues here. This is about a government disregarding constitutional edict, bypassing congress (which is there btw to make sure there is a power check for the president so he CAN NOT do things like this), and Im also quite sure that it is the courts job to interpret laws and not the president's job.


Btw desdemona22, I would have thought you would have noticed this 5 page thread in congress since you are a congress member. I will link it to you so you can take part in all the fuss congress is making.

http://ecanada.forumotion.com/open-door-congress-f32/amendment-removal-granting-of-citizenship-t3008-80.htm#55369" target="_blank">http://ecanada.forumotion.com/open-door-[..]5369