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you forgot on EDEN side:
Spain
Romania
Norway
Bosnia
and Switzerland
:>

xD

but still, those country's are EDEN, they have no MPP because they are at war with eachother to provide region-swaps

I didnt include countries without actual MPPs on either side. Except for a few dedicated tanks, I doubt the manpower that allies without MPPs provide, so I didnt really feel it was worth the effort to include them.

@Gassie - I do not believe that countries without MPPs realistically contribute many citizens to conflicts under any circumstances. I think that very few citizens, except some tanks, actually make the effort of quitting their jobs, quitting their parties, paying for a moving ticket and then moving abroad to fight in a war that doesent give them any great benefits. For this reason, I do not think the argument is comprimised by the exception of countries that dont have MPPs.

Every country in the list is one that is directly linked to the current fighting in the UK by an MPP.

Personally, I have little but apathy for phoenix, it's little more than a "bounce back" loose coalition after the fall of peace.

A more revised alliance is needed.
My two cents.

The bonds between the Phoenix countries exist, and I'm glad they do.
However in my opinion the alliance needs either a drastic reorganization or a regime change, because current leadership is non-existent.

I even agree that there isn't a real alliance, just some adhoc agreements between befriended countries.

The bonds mostly predate PHOENIX, even the alliances with the UK, they dont really lend credibility to the imaginary PHOENIX.

T'is more a collection of friends, or people with common enemies. I don't like it at all, but it brings the fight and thrill we wouldn't have gotten being small and Neutral. I'm not at all convinced by Entente, the biggest player France is just stamped on by EDEN just as much, and aided by PHOENIX just as much. I think PHOENIX is economically the best place for us at the moment, may we like it or not.

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+1 Thomas and Jonny Theory

good article 🙂

your data is incorrect. As there are other fronts very active, and there is an attack of Norway + Romania on the UK as well...

So you should ad😛 Spain and Romania, then we have real figures. and Thomas, what is wrong about Phoenix? What failures happened? I think we just won an epic battle in North Brazil against all EDEN tanks.

And you are saying lots of things without backing them up with samples:

'The bonds mostly predate PHOENIX, even the alliances with the UK, they dont really lend credibility to the imaginary PHOENIX.'

and What is an alliance? Fighting for each other right?
Remember what we did in Slovenia, Germany and France... we liberated regions from the occupants with a JOINT effort. so I am really wondering on what your arguments are based and why you hold such grudges against Phoenix

"I didnt include countries without actual MPPs on either side. Except for a few dedicated tanks, I doubt the manpower that allies without MPPs provide, so I didnt really feel it was worth the effort to include them."

I think MPPs are not a measurement of having an alliance. When a country sends in the army (or even a few tanks), takes the effort and resources to organize that, buy tickets and weapons, etc., than THAT is an alliance. THAT is helping your friends/allies - not having some babies (or weak players like me 😛) coincidentally fight there for training because you have a MPP 😉

+ 1 DanielB1989: in turbulent times, this research would be more complete if carried out on all fronts (but that's a huge load of time)

and

+ 1 Matt Johnson: I recall many congressmembers willing to spend 500 GOLD on MPPs to get wars. Why would we want to be in a neutral alliance then? 😉

@DanielB1989 - "what is wrong about Phoenix?"

How do you justify this statement? Germany and France are in ruins, the UK is on the way to destruction, soon the only so-called PHOENIX country in Europe will be the UNL. Brazil is great, but the last time I looked, there were supposed to be more nations in the alliance than just Brazil. Even at its very worst, PEACE could always defend its members - something that PHOENIX has failed to do in catastrophic fashion.

@Boklevski - "When a country sends in the army (or even a few tanks), takes the effort and resources to organize that, buy tickets and weapons, etc., than THAT is an alliance"

But good will and effort do not an effective resistance make. Polish and Spanish babies seem to have proved that in Germany and France, and are proving it in the UK. PEACE did alot better, PHOENIX could do alot better, discarding good intentions.

@ THomas, I am sorry but you show me that you lack knowledge of the game.

the battle in Northern Brazil is by far the most important battle going on. If Peru took Northern Brazil, they would have swapped it to Poland, and therefore giving Poland High Iron. If Poland gets High Iron, Phoenix is gone and done.

France is not even in Phoenix and we are defending them a lot! Now everyone is fighting to save Upper Normandy, and there are a lot of RW going on... We are fighting against a majority of people an gold, so it is not easy... We are defending our countries. and the UK is not in danger, once other fronts cool down we will fight in the UK again to get all their regions back!

@DanielB1989 - So PHOENIX is really about defending resources profitable to the supposed alliance, rather than defending people and nations? And as for France being not technically a member of PHOENIX, the fact that we have gone to great efforts in their defence seems to suggest that PHOENIX doesent exist, as in my argument, and that it is really just pre-existing bonds that are being hijacked by pointless nationalism for the imaginary PHOENIX.

And as for the "let the UK suffer for now, it will work out later" argument, I expect that was what they said about Germany and Belgium.