Pathetic Attempt / פתטי ניסיון
Joshua Hoss
A Political Take-Over Attempt (PTO)
Ladies and gentlemen it is my sad duty to inform you that several members of eIsrael have decided to destroy our country. They feel that your voice should not be heard, that your ideas should not be followed, and that you should serve them. They believe that democracy is only right when they control everything and that cooperation is a bad thing. Even sadder is that many of these people are those who we are supposed to look up too, those who are supposed to lead by example of virtue and honesty. Instead they treat us with disrespect and lies.
What I speak of is the upcoming attempt by several members of eIsrael to “PTO” all of the parties in eIsrael. A “PTO” means that an outside force attempts to gain control of a party or nation. In this case elements from one party are attempting to take over all of the other parties in our country. Their end goal is to have control of all five parties in eIsrael so that they can run the candidates they want for each election without having to work with anyone outside of their own group.
I believe this is a shameful and pathetic turn of events. These people feel that they can control eIsrael and that they do not have to listen to you, the voter. I do not agree with this. eIsrael is a mixing pot of many different and unique individuals. These people come to eIsrael for a variety of reasons. But what unites them is their desire to make eIsrael the best country in the game. By working together we ensure that no voice is left unheard, that no majority tramples the minority, and that our country reflects our population. These people want to do away with that.
You will see that today many former party members of our nation’s largest party (Israel First) have left that party and entered their own names into other party’s elections. There reason is simple (and can be found on the FXP forum) – they want complete control of eIsrael.
I have no problem with elections and the voting process. I believe that voters determine who should be elected and what path we should follow as a nation. But for one party to decide that it should control the others is a sad, pathetic idea. Let each party decide its own path. If all five parties do the same thing then who speaks up for the minority? Who makes sure that our country stays fair and does not trample on those who think different?
I ask you, the voters, to contact each one of these people and tell them what you think of their attempts. Because of eRepublik laws I cannot post their names on here. But I am more than willing to tell you and explain to you who these people are. I can even point the FXP thread out to you. Help me stand up for what is right, fair, and decent. Help me show these people that hard work and cooperation stands above majority domination. Thank you.
Update. I had a discussion with yuvy15 on this matter. Yuvy15 stated that he “did not start it” (even though he was the first post to suggest “stealing” the other parties). So to help clear things up I asked him if he would write an article condemning the PTO attempt. At this time Yuvy15 states that he will not write any such article. When pressed farther he stated that he “has no opinion” on the PTO. This is the Speaker of the Knesset here people. I am now even more sad.
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המדינה השתלטות ניסיון (PTO)
גבירותי ורבותי זה חובה עצוב לי להודיע לך כי כמה מחברי eIsrael החליטו להרוס את המדינה שלנו. הם מרגישים כי הקול שלך לא צריך להישמע, כי הרעיונות שלך לא צריכה להיות אחריה, וכי אתה צריך לשרת אותם. הם מאמינים כי הדמוקרטיה היא הזכות רק כאשר הם שולטים על כל שיתוף פעולה זה דבר רע. אפילו עצוב יותר הוא כי רבים של אנשים אלה מי שאנחנו אמורים לחפש גם לאלה שאמורים להוביל על ידי דוגמא של מוסריות ויושר. במקום זאת, הם מתייחסים אלינו בזלזול ושקרים.
מה אני מדבר הוא הניסיון הקרובה על ידי כמה מחברי eIsrael כדי "PTO" כל הצדדים eIsrael. "PTO" פירושו כוח חיצוני המנסה להשתלט על מפלגה או לאום. זה אלמנטים במקרה של צד אחד מנסה להשתלט על כל שאר המפלגות במדינה שלנו. המטרה הסופית שלהם היא שליטה של כל חמש המפלגות eIsrael כדי שיוכלו להפעיל את המועמדים שהם רוצים בחירות כל מבלי לעבוד עם מישהו מחוץ לקבוצה שלהם.
אני מאמין שזה סיבוב מביש ומעורר רחמים של האירועים. אנשים אלה חשים כי הם יכולים לשלוט eIsrael ושהם לא חייבים להקשיב לך, את הבוחר. אני לא מסכים עם זה. eIsrael הוא סיר ערבוב של אנשים שונים ייחודיים רבים. האנשים האלה לבוא eIsrael עבור מגוון רחב של סיבות. אבל מה שמאחד אותם הוא הרצון שלהם לעשות eIsrael את המדינה הטובה ביותר במשחק. על ידי עבודה משותפת נבטיח שאף קולו נותר בלתי מתקבל על הדעת, כי לא רומסת הרוב למיעוט, ואת זה המדינה שלנו משקפת את האוכלוסייה שלנו. האנשים האלה רוצים לעשות משם עם זה.
תראה את זה היום רבים מחברי המפלגה לשעבר של המפלגה הגדולה ביותר של אומתנו (ישראל הראשונה) השאירו את המפלגה ונכנסו שמות שלהם לתוך בבחירות המפלגה של אחרים. יש סיבה פשוטה (ניתן למצוא בפורום FXP) - הם רוצים שליטה מלאה eIsrael.
אין לי בעיה עם הבחירות ותהליך ההצבעה. אני מאמין כי הבוחרים לקבוע מי צריך להיבחר לבין מה שאנחנו צריכים בשביל בצע כאומה. אבל עבור צד אחד מחליט שהוא צריך לשלוט על אחרים הוא רעיון עצוב, פתטי. תנו לכל צד להחליט בשביל עצמה. אם כל חמשת הצדדים לעשות את אותו הדבר אז שמדבר לפייסבוק המיעוט? מי מוודא כי במדינה שלנו נשאר הוגן לא לדרוך על מי שחושב אחרת?
אני שואל אתכם, ציבור הבוחרים, כדי ליצור קשר עם כל אחד מהאנשים האלה, להגיד להם מה אתה חושב על הנסיונות שלהם. בגלל חוקי eRepublik אני לא יכול לכתוב את השמות שלהם כאן. אבל אני יותר מוכן לספר לך ולהסביר לך מי הם האנשים הללו. אני יכול אפילו בנקודה את החוט FXP לך. עזרה לי לעמוד על מה נכון, הוגן, הגון. עזרה לי להראות לאנשים האלה לעבוד בשיתוף פעולה קשה ועומד מעל שלטון הרוב. תודה לך.
עדכון. היה לי דיון עם yuvy15 בעניין זה. Yuvy15 הצהיר כי הוא "לא להתחיל את זה" (למרות שהוא היה בהודעה הראשונה להציע "לגנוב" המפלגות האחרות). אז כדי לעזור לנקות דברים שאלתי אותו אם הוא מוכן לכתוב מאמר המגנה את הניסיון PTO. בשלב זה קובע Yuvy15 שהוא לא תכתוב מאמר כזה. כאשר לחצה יותר הצהיר כי "אין דעה" על PTO. זהו יושב ראש הכנסת כאן אנשים. אני עכשיו אפילו עצוב יותר.
Joshua Hoss
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Thank you for reading. I am sorry to have to report this, but I think it is important that the people know the truth.
I guess this is the way it is now. Time for round 2 I suppose.
Yeah... This is a problem...
Im ashamed. This is despicable and truly pathetic.
Ive seen the screens and the way they talk about this so casually is whats really disturbing.
That and the fact they are senior eIsraeli citizens including the Speaker of the Knesset who should be removed from his position AT ONCE.
Hoss, John and Gavin. The true reason why this country is the way it is. I have no idea what is going on FXP, but if the people you label as "PTOs" are doing it by the legit way, meaning no multis and no bringing people from other countries, then let democracy win. You people must stop trying to control eIsrael. eIsrael is a democracy and in a democracy you vote for whoever you want, get over it, I even reported this article as it was full of $#!T.
Report all you want Ender, I've broken no laws. I'd be happy to send the link to the FXP discussion to anyone that asks me. In that thread you will see them openly talk about how to "steal" the other parties. This is shameful and pathetic.
You talk of democracy and that is all well and fine. But remember that he who steals democracy steals the freedom of the voters. The FXP thread's goal is to openly steal the voter's right to voice their opinions by trying to control all political aspects. This is not only a threat to democracy but a threat to eIsrael.
Maybe all the parties concerned can sort out their differences over a nice tongue sandwich.
Nothing says 'bygones' like a little tongue, am I right?
can you link to thread?
HAHA I DIDNT READ AND YOU SAID THANK YOU
נ.ב
ידעתי שיום אחד עם הזרים האלה כשננסה להתקבל לבחירות זה יחשב PTO
אני כבר לא מתייחס למה שהם רושמים.
Because of eRepublik laws I cannot post their names on here.
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Why not? Old rules didnt work allready, i suppose. And in this new stupid rules there no punishment for even placing screenshots of PM, and for others dirty tricks that we all so love.
wait are you mad people trying to get themselves elected to PP position? o.O
PK the Thief general of our army thinks he can just come back with a post like this blaming other ppl in stuff.
josh,first give us back the companies u stole!ur nothing but a thief.
its funny how now all the political parties controlled by foreigners and its ok.. but when us rl israelis trying to move up then its wrong.
hoss is a clown you call it pto as if you made this party before it was icp or lets say III it was other party a dead party. look month after nothing changed more to say you lost members. really funny if you ask me 🙂
מה קרה לקטע של לכתוב רק בעברית?
תודה להוס שסוף סוף הסביר לי מה זה PTO.
הדיונים בFXP באים אך ורק כדי לשפר את המדינה.
זה לא הגיוני שמשהו שלא מדבר עברית יבוא למדינה שמי שנרשם למשחק מישראל אוטומטית יכנס אליה. למה? כי אז אין גידול של אוכלוסיה מקורית.
זה לא הגיוני שמשהו שנכנס לשלטון משמיד את הסיכויים שלנו להכנס לEDEN שניה לפני שנכנסו. למה? כי אנחנו צריכים להכנס לברית חזקה כדי להתחזק.
זה לא הגיוני שראש הממשלה יקרא לפיטורים של יו"ר הכנסת. למה?
כי שניהם בשלטון וכשאתה מגיע לשלטון אתה צריך להפסיק את התעמולה ולהתחיל את היצירה. שהיצירה שלך תהיה התעמולה שלך.
מדהים שאתם הזרים ואנחנו אלה שעושים PTO..
חחחחחח, אני נופל פה.
קוראים לי POTER בארץ שלי, מילא באירופה יכלנו לדבר עלינו לא יפה.
אבל פה? מי אתה בכלל חתיכת אמריקאי מסריח שתקרא לי ולשאר האנשים שנלחמו על הארץ הזאתי במשחק ובמציאות PTOERS
פשוט אמריקאי חוצפן, לך לך לאמריקה.
המהגרים קוראים לישראלים PTOER, חחח פשוט חוצפה וטמטום אמריקאית ביחד.
הייתי אומר לצחוק או לבכות, אבל אתה ושאר האמריקראים המסריחים לא שווים בכי.
Again you fall back on the misnomer of "foreigners." You are a foreigner to Israel Cooperative Party and SamMed is a foreigner to Integrity-Integration-Israel. If you were trying to be elected to represent your own party, that would be democracy; this is a PTO attempt. eRepublik is not about the players behind the avatars or where they come from.
Your mention of stolen companies has nothing to do with this and is meant to distract people while you steal parties.
_l_
1. A "foreigner" in this game is someone without citizenship. I have been in eIsrael longer than most of the FXP PTO'ers have been playing this game. eIsrael is just as much my country as it is theirs. For them to talk about me being a "foreigner" is false. I've lived and died eIsrael for over a year now.
2. A "PTO" refers to a group of people trying to take over a group that they do not belong to. In this case members of IF are trying to take over other parties. If they wanted to work with these parties they easily could have, but instead they sit on FXP and plan how to take them over. That is a PTO. If these people had been members of these parties and decided the party's needed to change that would be different. Instead they plan this on FXP to "steal" them.
3. Hadorban wants to distract people by calling me a "thief". Yet he has no proof. I've never stolen anything from eIsrael in all my eLife. If I had where is the proof? Unlike him I HAVE screen shots of the FXP thread and these people planning their PTO. If you wish to see them send me a message and I would be happy to give you the links. Truth is knowledge people. If you are concerned ask and I can show you.
Told you,I didn't start it,they have started it before..
you don't want to belive me,so don't.
don't be surprised people don't trust and belive you if you don't trust and belive them either.
Yuvy - Your post (the second post in the thread) states that you think IF should put candidates in the other paties to "steal them". When I asked you about this you said you were joking. I asked you if you believed PTOs were right and you said they were not. So I asked you to right an article saying that your post was a joke and that you do not agree with what they are doing. Instead you changed the topic and refused to do so.
I'm sorry. But you saying that IF should "steal" the other parties is some pretty big evidence. I have the screen shot. Until you prove to me (and others) that you do not agree with IF's PTO attempt then I can only believe the evidence in front of me. Unlike some people on FXP I do not accuse people of things without evidence.
It is now your task to prove that evidence wrong. Please do so. I really do hope that our Speaker of the Knesset (yuvy15) is not a part of this pathetic PTO attempt. That would be a serious breach of the trust people in eIsrael have placed in him.
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Do we really have to fight about this guys? = /
Hoss- Why is it always your articles that have long comments? X D
Matan - Wrong again. Read up on "PTO" buddy.
Sam - I think because I write about the things nobody else does. I hate backroom deals and attempts by others to take away democracy. X D
Why you call sam a PTOer and John Jay not?
What different between them?
Your life is wrong, because of that you are like 30 years old and fighting with us here, in a virtual game.
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Unite all jews 😃.
All? Does this include "all" of Jews, even those who are not RL Israelis(like me), or are we just immigrants and foreigners like someone said? And all this hostility against non Jewish players is just wrong and disgusting.
We are Jews. We are supposed to be righteous. That's a beautiful thing. And we're losing it. If we lose that, that's everything. That's our soul.
this include all the Jews.
its a game for gods sake (I hope I wrote that right)!
jew? not jew?
You want a jew module in the game and a final solution promoters?
normally when someone get to a state he tries to be part of it.
he learns the language and the culture.
If you are in eIsrael most of the "PTO" why you dont write in hebrew?
Why dont you get someone to translate what you are saying?
Because you dont want to be part of eIsrael. You want to make eIsrael part of you.
If you make our country part of you this country will be destroyed.
So, don't use the jew argument and don't say "We aren't foreigners" when you are because you dont try to become one with this nation.
זה משחק למען ה'!
יהודי? לא יהודי?
אתם רוצים אפשרות להגדיר משהו בתור יהודי ואנשים בעד "הפתרון הסופי"?
בדרך כלל כאשר משהו מגיע למדינה הוא מנסה להשתלב בה, לומד את השפה והתרבות.
אם אתם בישראל יותר זמן מרוב ה"מהפכנים" בפורום למה הם מדברים עברית ואתם לא?
למה אתם לא נותנים למשהו לתרגם את דבריכם?
בגלל שאתם לא רוצים להיות חלק מישראל, אתם רוצים לכפוף את ישראל לחלק מכם.
אם תהפכו את מדינתנו לחלק מכם המדינה הזאת תושמד.
אז אל תגידו "אנחנו יהודים" או "איננו זרים" כאשר אתם לא מנסים להפוך לאחד עם המדינה הזאת.
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all the Jews should unite,true.
why?
whats the point in a game if be bring with as all the racizem?
all the people who want the best for eisrael should unite
"Why you call sam a PTOer and John Jay not?
What different between them? "
Micah, because John Jay is a member of our party and SamMed is not.
Oh my...
I'm kind of glad I got out now :/
I see that sam is a party member.
What more he has to do to be a party member like john?
המריבה הזו בלי טעם, פשוט חבל
אבל זה המחיר של התעלמות מהקהילה הישראלית במשחק
This fight for no reason, too bad.
But that's the price of ignoring the Israeli community in the game.
Racism is bad.
JJ
If someone moved to Israel and ran for President his very first day, you would call him a PTO'er. The same is true for our parties.
@Matan Danziger honestly you just crossed the line... YOU NEVER and I MEAN NEVER say someone's life is wrong or criticize their real ife based on what you know about them on a game. Honestly where is the respect that is completely uncalled for... Also a PTO doesnt have to use multis, the Serbians could call in 100s of actual players under the radar appearing under different national citizenships and appear safe yet they all become PTOers.
I am apalled at all the racism going on right now. Now you guys are saying that Jews are more righteous than normal people and are better then them and deserve more. You guys do know that all of you represent your entire religeon on this game and are making an absolute mockery of it. I thought Jews were very dedicated, unoppressive and a kind people, maybe I thought wrong. In this game there are no Jews there are no Christians there are no Muslims and it shouldnt be associated with this game.
Get over yourselves, work for your own power, and dont give me that lame crap saying you deserve to run the country because you are a jew. Honestly Ender and company tell me ONE REASON why you should be the leader of this nation besides you are a great leader, want to unify the nation, are a jew, and are a hero of Israel because all of that is just bull crap.
Everyone who win in the election you can say that he took over.
The question is are this a friendly take over or a hostile take over.
"Zaib Atsu Day 1,090, 12:59
Everyone who win in the election you can say that he took over.
The question is are this a friendly take over or a hostile take over. "
The only reason I am running in the I3 PP election is to block a candidate that was chosen on FXP. We have seen the screenshots, that is enough for me.
Zaib: It is time we all sat down and solved this, don't you think so too?
Zaib - JJ is not a PTOer because he did not plan on "stealing" a party while sitting in a different party, join a new party, and then run for PP all in the same day. Dice it up as you want, that is a PTO attempt.
Avner - You hit the nail on the head. Jew, Israeli, Non-Jew, whatever. We all reside here in eIsrael and are all eIsraelis. This attempt by members of FXP to control everything goes against everything we need right now in eIsrael. We need to work together with people, not "steal" from them and then ignore them.
Israel3 - Nobody has "ignored" the RL Israel community. I (for example) messaged EVERY Knesset member at the beginning of this term in order to get them active. This included RL Israelis and those who are not. Oh and I am just the Deputy Speaker. Has our Speaker (a RL Israeli) bothered to do any of this? I translate all of my articles (just like many other non-RL Israelis) into a language we do not know to make things easier. Many times RL-Israelis do not do this (look at Knesset member bar tur for example). Be sure you examine the facts first before making a comment.
This is all sounds familiar. ^-^
I translate the articles that has to be translated.
but when I translate it, I do it manually, you just put it in google translator which dont take more then 2 minutes even if this's the first time you use computer.
my articles are not that long, because I focus on other things except fighting in articles, but when I do comment in an article, I give my opinion no matter how bad it is.
you call us PTOers, on the same way I can call you PTOer and give x10 more reasons why I'm right.
between, have you ever checked my nick in FxP? I just want to know the level of your knowledge about things.
You realy should stop fighting..
The formal language of eIsrael is hebrew.
Why? because you wont find any "invented" country in this game. all of this countries and districts realy exsist so the minimum is respect the RL language.
If we write in hebrew and dont translate it isnt nice but it is OK.
If you write in english and dont translate it isnt fair. not all of us are good in reading english and you have the power on this state right now.
also, when we translate we do it right, when you translate you ask google to do that.
stop saying the former gov wasnt good and fucked up yours and we will stop saying you are destroing our country.
if we all want the same someone need to step forward and say "I am the bigger man here. I stop this war".
I hope both sides will do that at the same side so we have a Hollywood finish
Its sort of funny how u people just going on and on 😃
Beside the fact that the gov companies are still missing and I wish this pikzeh (that hoss some how helped to get our stuff) would give it back, I fail to understand these bashing articles stating the other side is wrong, clearly you won't get any israeli to your side since u serve ur own (un-hebrewish) interests and the only people who will support that are the people in ur team!
I have tip for u people:All of you will fight for like... ever since if you really wanted to "work together" you would do that few months/years ago. It is most likely hebrews will win since its their native country and treating them like PTO'ers can't possibly get you anywhere better lmao, stupid thing not be able to see it.
If you didn't want to fight all the time you would already quit this game like 90% of the active people who wanted to play here did, if its not fun anymore why coming back to this crap each day you know? 😃
let the fights continue!!!
P.S.
Suckers don't die....you know the rest.