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We'd have to lose the initiative first for any of this to become realized.

We just have to hope that our next CP doesn't live across the planet, 9 time zones away.

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It would be the worst move in eRepublik History if eUK or eFrance attacked our homeland provinces. Literally.

Not the point: what can we gain in eFrance?

1ronman knows best

@SaraDroz:

What do we gain from sitting around and doing nothing for 8 months, let's see, NOTHING.

Also consider the boosts to activity, our military and other parts of our country and alliance. Our homeland under attack would only help unite EDEN and Brolliance, it would be counter productive at best for France.

More specifically Sara:

What can't we gain with eFrance?
Take a look at the world map, eFrance is a huge part of Western Europe, and would allow us to do so many things, just like the unbelievable possibilities of Poland and Spain connecting

You know what the funny thing about statistics is, 1ronman? They have this weird habit of changing from time to time.

France couldn't have destroyed us in December 2008 either....then things change.

Or have you some manner of "nothing will ever change to our detriment" device that you've been hiding from us?

As usual you hit it right on the head 1ronman.

It’s not about what we gain from this fight, its about what we loose by not having it.

I just reached adulthood but I’m still a noob in the grand scheme of things. I have had more fun in this game over the last three days than the other thirty. We can argue about military and political advantage all day long but it seems to me the only way to win in this game is to have as much fun as possible. These type of military actions will draw citizens by the boat load.

Jacobi: MPPs now expire - maintaining a list of 10 MPPs for a couple months is extremely difficult.

George Kirk, you also hit the nail on the head and your ideology played a big part in my decision. Unfortunately, some people can't wrap their head around the idea this is a wargame and that the last few days have been a blast. Let eFrance attack our homeland, our MPPs will crush them.

1ronman, we can maintain it, and have for many many months. If we can do it, so can they.

We have not properly maintained our MPPs Jacobi. You honestly think I haven't done my research?

Maybe I'll say this more clearly, and no, I don't think you have.

Since that inconvenient rule change right up until my last term as President in January (so about 6 months or so) we maintained at least 10 active MPPs.

We maintained that easily, and we did so even when we didn't have MPPs that were keeping wars open.

France has 10 MPPs open against us. You think that they can't afford a measly 1000 gold a month to keep them open, just waiting for the right time to strike?

Since I know you don't think that, why are you even debating this with me? Is it for the peanut gallery?

There are problems in all MPP networks.
Through the course of 3 months, we've lost our ability to fight in the Chinese War, the Romanian War(s), and the Croatian Wars (we resigned and then their cores were attacked once more). The only MPP we were able to successfully maintain was Greece. 75% of our triggered MPPs were lost.

Just because we can maintain 10 MPPs, doesn't mean they don't expire for a day or two, or that the country whom we sign with doesn't change. It'll take a minimum of 5 months for things to change in terms of power. That's atleast 10 000G and a perfect record to be able to have any chance of a counter attack.

Also Serbia and Hungary can easily do more than the listed damage, especially if they stand to gain for themselves. Of course, that is considering they aren't distracted like they are now. Brazil can do more too, especially as time passes due to their massive population.

It's a bit unfair comparing baseline Phoenix damage with heightened EDEN war damage. It's a lot closer than that in reality.

The only EDEN country heightened was eCanada. Poland can do easily 3m, while the US can do 1.5m with their Army in full, and Romania and Spain have spikes of 1.5m

You also forget, there is another 5 or so MPPs we could sign in addition which would bring the amount up another 1m atleast (Sweden, Finland, Norway, China)

May I also point out that Hungary just lost 400g/day because of HK being liberated. With Western Transdanubia in our hands (massive weapons supplier, Hungary built their economy in this region while being under occupation of Romania) they also just lost an additional 300g/day. They are now making probably 1/8 of what they use to, therefore eliminating their tank and army potentials. Not to mention the fact that it is highly unlikely they won't be conquered by the end of this week. Therefore deleting their involvement with France and making it 4.7m vs 8.9m.

Also, we just liberated the majority of South Africa, and Australia also eliminating alot of Brazil's and Indonesia's daily profits.

I have no doubt that France's allies are really too busy to bother with us right now. That's for certain. I am also confident that EDEN's current damage is higher due to deeper gold pockets and the current chaos in Phoenix's economy. However, baseline damage comparisons wise both alliances are incredibly close.

I am not concerned about an invasion. After all, Greece, a comparable nation to ours, frequently activates Turkey's MPPs, and yet they are still standing. My point is not underestimate our enemies, as they have shown incredible resistance and have scored some significant victories against EDEN in the past few months.

@TF😨 You mean the same Timezone the rest of EDEN and all our enemies live in? Yeah, that would suck.

You're right Dr.Pain...why should we EVER elect a Canadian Prime Minister who is ACTUALLY from Canada?

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I certainly don't object to launching the offensive, and while I fully recognise and appreciate the strategic value of our efforts for EDEN's cause, I tend to think 1ronman's cheerful insouciance in the face of activated MPPs is a bit too optimistic.

Sure, the flow of battles is in EDEN's favour right now, but tides change in war, and if EDEN fails in conquering Hungary, and Phoenix launches a determined fightback, our European allies will be at risk. Besides, with a bit of diligence, France can keep these active MPPs, and they'll determine the timing of their retaliation. And it won't be when Phoenix is at its weakest. They'll attack when their allies are at their strongest, and our allies are at their weakest, distracted with important battles on multiple fronts. The French showed intelligence and patience last time they held active MPPs over us, no reason to assume they'll not rise to the challenge once more. And it's hardly a wise battle plan to assume our allies will always be capable of directing full attention to helping us repel a determined attack from our adversaries.

Cheers,
AR1ARX

Sara, its not what we can gain, haven't you worked it out, its what can EDEN gain, ironman and DH have set us up for EDEN.

I wish to give props to AR1AX for his use of "insouciance".

LoL thanks, Rigour6. But I don't think I'm exaggerating, 1ronman's way too carefree and dismissive with his certainty that we're bulletproof, all things considered. I mean come on, calling a retaliatory strike the worst move in eRepublik history? That's pushing things beyond the limits of credibility. It doesn't take much imagination to design a significant and dangerous counter-offensive, especially when the tides of war have manoeuvred to Phoenix's advantage. And if 1ronman's trying to tell us that such a turn of events won't happen, then he's ignoring the lessons of countless events that have occured during his long e-life.

Cheers,
AR1ARX

Like it or not Canada simply needs war, France and UK only way to go. France counter attacking would be fantastic, our MPPs would be about equal. Plus they trigger USA war if they attack, witch would not alow them to do much damage.

Lets just have some fun.

you realise all that will happen for now is Delaware getting conquered then RWed back, right? France needs to maintain those MPPs anyway, Spain is too close for comfort.

Jacobi, you must realize that 1ronman' is a much better military genius than you will EVER be!

Nothing bad could possibly come from this.

Oh yeah, don't forget about the fiesty South African who dropped 25k in Pays de la Loire. He should be counted with Canada's damage too 🙂

Canadians are so funny 😃

"Jacobi, you must realize that 1ronman' is a much better military genius than you will EVER be!"

Yes but for who though?

EDEN or eCanada?

Knowing that we are sitting on all of this Titanium it will be in Phoenix's best interest to hold those mpp's open and wait for the appropriate time to strike.

In attacking them we have given them further options in that regard.

Poin is Ironman most of our allies are heavily committed.

We should also realize though... in the immediate future hungary and Phoenix will probably be more concerned with getting Hello kitty and all of its companies back then just a couple titanium regions with only a few companies

I can only assume massive irony waves coming from Supabeasty 😛

All these experienced politicians complaining about us opening MPPs are hypocrites imo. They know that if we get attacked their popularity will raise because they took a stance against opening said MPPs but in truth they know full well that getting involved directly in a war is very beneficial to a country and that the goods far outweigh the bads.

Nope Firgus, considering my history I don't think you could possibly assume that about me.

Don't get me wrong Jacobi, I've voted for you every single time that I could except once, both for PM and as a MP in Quebec.
But I can't help but think most career politicians constantly take stances on the issue of the day based on what they think will best benefit their career.
Let's move away from the current debate. Take a certain MP that created a program to give back Canadian citizenship to Québécois who had temporarily left for France and then goes to war against a "french traitor" 6 months later. It just doesn't make sense.
Or think of all the peoples that went against your projects of change on grain and/or iron. I'm sure a lot of them didn't really believe in their stance and many just wanted to oppose you for the sake of lowering your popularity.
That's the kinda politics I'm kinda tired of. This isn't a debate or anything, I'm just saying how I feel.

Jacibu is the man that brought us back from nothing and the focal point of ALL PEACE/PHEONIX/WHATEVER resistance.

It was after that when eCanada let itself slip back into being a eCountry run by its allies, used by a eCanadian in charge of our alliance and rife with dirty politics.

I don't think we should genuinely be in this war to win territory. We're just trying to set up another front to help out the Romanians, Croats, et al.

Ironman no offence but umm china recently has been hitting 750k + and canada barley ever reaches 500k also serbia just did 4 million hungry can do still 2 mill romania can still do 2.7 million spain 2 mill same with the states poland can hit 5 million aswell but seriously brazil can easily hit 800k in a day seriously dude.