Join the new world

Edana will crush your political cardboard uprising!

/Kolshire peers in box... what does he see???

MAH PANTS!!! I BEEN LOOKIN FER DOZE!!!

Yes cardboard boxes. I also have misgivings with essentially negotiating with thieves, cheats, and liars. It seems Congress is of no worth to the ICA political machine. They consistently PTO parties in their vain attempts for CP elections.

Cardboard boxes, let's contain our objectives in their sturdy and recyclable frames.

Does anybody care?

Viva el Cardboard Box!

Inb4 round 7

Well, I dont dare to question you Nith but I think you've been a bit dismissive of John Gormley. With respect, I know him fairly well and I would not for a second doubt his ability to lead eIreland.
On the other candidates, your pretty spot on.

The box makes a cogent argument. It's hard to debate the points it made in the televised debate.

I am seriously considering using my vote for the box.

I'm not insulted. I love that cardboard box. It gave me a home for a tough 12 months...

"In all seriousness, giving the ICA money to ‘fall in’, doesn’t sound the least peculiar to any of you? Really? I really don’t care how much any of you claims to – nothavehadanythingtodowithit -, it’s your organisation, it’s it’s responsability and you still are a member which supports it. End of."

The Dail is ultimately in charge of this. If the Dail decides not to offer incentives, then no incentive will be given.

Hmm... Edanas prolonged abscence has led to the boxes rising up and forming a party.......this must be corrected.

Incentives for being loyal to their own country ? How strange... What has happened here ?

I say vote Nith for prez !

Poor old man.

The issueing of money is just one of the perks that would be given to them. It was a mere example, but one that struck me as completely absurd. I really didn't want to bring out the whole list, as it would start to look like a personal crusade. I'm still saving that one.

Cheers

OH, GOD, Nith doesn't approve of ICA. Guess I'll have to quit now.

notthatIhadanythingtodowithit

And I am still a member which supports it. End of.

Actions speak for itself 🙂

giving the ICA money to ‘fall in’

This is wrong, its just blackmail with another tag on it

unban me nith please ;_;

"The Cardboard Box Party, puts their shoulders under their candidate. For Ireland!"

That broke my steely gaze into a smirk 😉

inanimate carbon rods are much better.

Cardboard boxes?

I'll stick with my inanimate carbon rod thank you very much.

Yes, I pondered the rod, however, the rod is solid. The box is empty. If we're throwing away our votes, we have to make sure we throw it away good!

While I'm sad you don't trust me because I'm in the ICA, hopefully my not having access to any government orgs will help people realize I stand by what I've said in regards to security.

The problem is fundamental. It doesn't only concern access or no access. I fail to see the need of having a seperate independant rogue movement, aside from the members it has not following standard IDF orders, disregarding commands forwarded by the President of Ireland him(her)self if it suits them better.

It has worked perfectly fine for places like the United States and Canada. The fact it hasn't worked as well here simply means that we're doing something wrong. I -want- to correct this. I want the IDF and the ICA to be able to work side by side as they have done in the past. And as soon as a bump in the road occurs we always get reset to zero again.

I'm sick and tired of that. It's why we court-marshalled OJ, and it's why I donated what Gold I had to the government. I'm tired of the fighting, and part of the problem are those of us in the ICA who resist due to violence and hatred from the government and the people. I'm so sick of resisting peace 'just because the other side don't like us' or because 'the other side doesn't want peace'.

Well peace doesn't just happen. Peace takes vulnerability, it takes commitment, it takes making a stand even if your friends and your enemies both hate you. And we're so close to that edge of peace that I can feel it, I can feel the heat and the rage from hardliners on both sides, and in the end it comes down to faith. If I quit now, sure I'll still have my friends, and my enemies won't hate me quite as much, but at what cost?

It's come to the point where I'd rather have no friends and fierce enemies, than to stand here and tell you that I don't believe 100% in what me and my Ministers are trying to do.

Viva el Cardboard Box!

Look, you don't need to convince me. I've seen them fight against me while I was doing my duty for our country, so that's a pretty impossible case. I hope you have more luck at convincing the public.

This is not intended to be an ICA slagging match, but it would appear that the most 'hardliners' seem to instantly sprout forth out of the ICA whenever the slightest is said. I wonder why..

Oh and maybe a tip while we're at it, funding them or (for you mister Hater) proposing it to the Dail isn't a good way to gain favor among the men and will certainly not bring 'peace'. Quite the opposite.

Cheers and goodnight.

IV likes to destroy boxes... Can we pick a stuffed animal or something to vote for instead?

Viva el Cardboard Box!

Viva el Cardboard Box!

Money market

Minster of Snow

Crimson

Money market

IP

Mick

Money market

That is all

The reason the ICA doesn't follow IDF orders is because the people who set the ICA orders actually have a clue..and don't just listen to idiots.

I'm not voting for a box. Jesus. I think I'll vote for...

@ oj :

Department of Defence orders are set by the Minister of Defence who has access to the intelligence and suggestions of the President, MoFA and senior members of EDEN.

If you want to call them idiots that's your business... but at least one of them is elected by the people. Of course the we do sometimes elect a person who acts idiotically, embaresses us internationally and gets our access to allied forces irc access suspended.

For the love of..... Will you guys ever stop this!!!!!

And to ICA. You come out as impossible sectarians as long as you respond in this way. All you are doing is poring gasoline on a fire instead of water. Give it a rest already!!!!!!!

Get some perspective will you lads!!!!! As long as you come out as sectarian you prove the point of your opponents. For this reason your candidate will not win this election, regardless of what he says is good or bad. And instead of blaming others, take some responsibility for your own poor media handling!

UK is getting back several provinces. Could we talk about that, and what that implies instead???????

I am so incredible feed up regarding this issues already. And I would wager I am not alone. Gee... get a room will you so we will not have to see or read about this for a foreseeable amount of time!

A tired e-Kane ):

Viva el Cardboard Box!

@ oj :

Department of Defence orders are set by the Minister of Defence who has access to the intelligence and suggestions of the President, MoFA and senior members of EDEN.

If you want to call them idiots that's your business... but at least one of them is elected by the people. Of course the we do sometimes elect a person who acts idiotically, embaresses us internationally and gets our access to allied forces irc access suspended.

This😁 OJ your honestly hilarious. Get COD now

"All you are doing is poring gasoline on a fire instead of water"

If it was an electrical fire, putting water on it wouldnt be advisable either. I've had fire safety training 🙂

HAIL NITH IN THE BOX !

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/u/underworld/bruce+lee_20142145.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1eg-sPAnQ

Entitled to yr opinion Nith.
But, it woud serve ye commenters and readers well to read Dig's cryptic summary.
Oh feck this place, it makes me sick.

Of course it's my opinion. I see you're still all making this an ICA slagging match. All I said is that I will not be voting for the person(s) who ally themselves with the ICA. I've ALSO said I would rather not vote for GORMLEY, but I don't see you all going nuts about that now do I? First look inward before you go outward.

I do believe I'm entitled to my own opinion. Suit it yourself if you wish to call me ignorant, narrow - minded or whatever, I believe if you need to result to namecalling you're no better than him whom you accuse. Oh and to those who go on about 'losing respect', if you lose respect for someone who voices his opinion that doesn't align with yours, than you can keep it, as it's value to me is null.

Apparently it's easier spending your time on 'criticising' me about how I stand for my opinion, while spending time on how you could solve the problem might have been more productive and would have been a far more effective and respectable way of showing me wrong (which is actually something I'd like). But hey, it's me who'se opportunistic, right?

Get a grip.

Is that @me Nith? Cos in case my tone wasn't obvious, I was actually supporting your stance without quoting all back at you and banging on about my feelings, when its your article?
Hmmmmm.
My second comment was suggesting that your audience should read Dig's summary, which seems to lay out a specific and interesting scenario.
I'm lost now? I'm re-reading it, again and again. I'm still lost.

It's amazing people can write so much on this.

[shifts trousers]
Rightio. Nith is intitled to not vote if he wants to (or doesn't want to). Or to vote for a box.

ICA shouldn't be paid to be loyal. If they want to stay loyal, they can stay loyal. If they want to go, they can go. Don't matter if they make up a big bit of population. If the're loyalty is such that they need to be paid to stay loyal, then they can feck off to feck.

We don't need mercanaries, and we won't be extorted.

😁^ Don't play the victim here Nith. Nobody is buying it. Sure you are entitled to have an opinion, but if one of the main points in your article is that all ICA members are treacherous thieves, you should expect ICA members to be angry about that and suggest you don’t know what you are talking about. That’s just how the world works. You can’t just walk up and spit in someone’s face and then accuse them of being immature and hostile for not just standing there and taking it. And for the record, I called your specific COMMENT ignorant and narrow-minded, not you as a whole person. And then I go on for several paragraphs explaining exactly why. There was no “resorting” to anything. I’m sure you are a perfectly intelligent and open-minded person about other subjects, but on the issue of the ICA you clearly have an overwhelming prejudice that keeps you from forming rational conclusions.

That is MY opinion. Please respect it.

Grainne, no, none of it was directed at you.

Stilpo, playing the victim? Last time I checked, this is MY article. Why the hell would I need to play the victim? I'm no victim, I can vote or not vote for whoever I want, why would I be a victim? Logic, please.

Respect your opinion? Again, still MY article where you deemed it necessary to come in all big and mighty while I actually have no idea who you are. I respect your opinion, but I'm not prejudiced. Maybe they didn't fight against you, they fought against me. Entirely different, I experienced it first hand. I don't think 'dodging the bullets' can be seen as prejudiced, nor can it after being tossed into chaos 2 times in a row by a member of the same organisation. There is no such thing as coincidence.

Again, people still keep going on about 'let it rest' yet you guys seem to be the ones who can't let it. Interesting.

John, I can only agree to what you said. I'm glad to see that I really ain't the only one out there.

Cheers, fellas and gals!

Like a game of table tennis. Pointless "sport". I prefer rugby, when everyone hurts each other but everyone is cool with it, in fact, it's fun.

"I actually have no idea who you are."

Who I am: I am a general in the ICA - one of those many hard-working Irish citizens whose honor you incidentally called into question when you labeled the entire ICA as treacherous thieves.

Who I am not: A doormat who you can walk all over in your articles without consequences.

But in the end why should this even matter to you? Is the content of my argument any less valid because of who I am???

“Why the hell would I need to play the victim?”

Excellent question, and one that I eagerly await an answer to. Why WOULD you portray yourself as a victim of "slagging" and suggest the opposition are the instigators when they are simply responding to malicious and unfounded accusations about them written in YOUR paper? Do people not have the right to defend themselves just because it is YOUR article??? Talk about high and mighty…

Or ping-pong, however the wind blows these days.