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Popolo, calm down he is a swede...

And hopefully he is not liking the nazi....

Rommel was never a natzi, he was just a general in the natzi army.

Later in the war, Rommel was killed cuz he was suspected of trying to kill Hitler. Rommel was given two options: suicide or public trial. Rommel chose suicide.

Actually, it wasn´t as muc public trial as killing or at least imprisoning of his family that made him chose suicide. Either way, a great man whose only fault was that he was perhaps a little bit too patriotic.
If the guy had chose a avatar of say Hitler, Göring or Mengele, then yes, I would be upset, but the avatar of a chivalrous, honorable man whom defiantly refused to obey Hitler´s orders on terminating all encountered jews...no, I do not have a problem with that.

It is distasteful to watch this apparent flirting between FBS and the extreme right.

Where do we draw the line of what is accepteble and not? Is Erwin Rommel okay because history have cleared him from commiting war crimes?
He did on several occations express his admiration for Adolf Hitler and also wrote 'the führer knows what good for us' in letters to his wife. That is facts.

Is it even possible to become Field Marshal in Wermacht without being a Nazi, did he acctually try to kill Hitler?

Desdichado, fact is also that no political 'experiment' comes close to communism in number of imprisoned and summary executed human beeings.

I find it extremly odd how people today can celibtrate Lenin, Stalin and communism and the same time talk about justice, brotherhood and fairness.

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Rommel is very well known for being one of the most brilliant generals during the WWII. When I hear Rommel i think war strategy and battle.

People that dont know much about WWII think swastika, but all I see is a great general.

Maybe the player ErwinRommel could choose a photo that have less natzi bling bling? Eveybody that is somebody knows the power of the last name annyway and will fear you on the battlefield.

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@Misho: "Desdichado, fact is also that no political 'experiment' comes close to communism in number of imprisoned and summary executed human beeings."
So you accuse MSAP of killing eCitizens? That is a horrendous accusation! I see no other solution than as I get elected today, demand an official pardon from Misho in the Reichstag, sorry I mean swedish Congress.

@Misho: Non-socialist ideologies have actually caused the death of a lot more people. Religions like christianity even more so.

Violence as a political method is absolutely acceptable. Power can only be crushed with more power. Slave owners will never give up their rights of having slaves or wage-slaves, so the slave owners have to be eliminated by the slaves. Same goes for all kinds of oppressors. All forces that fight for kings, capitalists, land owners etc, have to be wiped out if they resist, and put under strict control, so that they can't get back to power again. Lenin did the right thing. He's a quite popular figure in Russia. Even Stalin is.

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Radsoc learn some history in Soviet Russia died over 125 million people. Mostly poor and other nationalites including great amount of world communist. I guarantee you if you would visit then this "Earth Paradise" first thing you would do would be escape. Second death in communist Lager.

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I would never call a person that likes Stalin a socialist or communist. Stalin was a cryptofascist, no more no less, and sadly that goes for many of the selfproclaimed "communist revolutionaries".

To me, and to everyone I consider to be true socialists, socialism is about freedom from all oppression and true equality. Such a society can never be a dictatorship.

Just for the sake of argument: That's however just in Soviet. Let's not forget Mao, Kim Joung Il and Pol Pot. MANY died in the name of communism.

Then I do hope that you don't blame the entire party for individual party members' choices.

Rommel was against Hitlers policies like that. He only served because he wanted to defend his nation. He even was in the plot that tried tokill hitler.

@Aradan: Yeah 125 million died in the USSR. Out of 250. 50%.

According to current research 3-4 million died in total. And according to the american historical review 95% survived those "camps". What you hear in the west is pure propaganda. In ex-USSR a huge majority want socialism back.

Non-socialist capitalist ideologies have killed 96 million people.

@Herminator: Socialism is just another dictatorship, but apart from the bourgeois dictatorship of the capital, it's the dictatorship of the working class, the proletariat. Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority. The working class is the majority. Socialism is democracy.

Rommel was only Nazi in affiliation; he never bought into the ideology.

Why does it matter, it's just a role-playing game, right?
Would anyone seriously care if I changed my name to some old Roman general who raped and killed innocent villagers with his army?
Caligula for instance, was probably even more cruel than any member of the Nazi party. He had no gas or bullets to kill people, but still had a very high kill count which (with a fair comparison) was way worse than any result of a nazi-related dictatorship.
So what's the difference between Caligula and nazi generals? None, really. Both are history, and this is still a game. Relax people. There is always someone who is offended by something. People who feel offended offend me.

Jac Vobar: "in the name of communism." Think about that.

Well for sure i am not from west. I live in Silesia. Sad story is my grandfather was forced to join Wermacht (or be send to Auschwitz funny choice right?) After war came here Soviet who changed old Nazi Lagers on their own. My grandfather bribed guard and go home but there was 500 000 Silesian like him who couldnt do that. They were send east and never have returned that means my people were 12.5% of all victims of soviet regime. You can not mess with history Radsoc sorry. You can say it was 3 million a year then it could have a sens.

And more if you want know something about read Solzenicyn (his books are in english) or Herling-Grudzinski (possibly there are translations but i dont know i read in orginal language). And one more there is western propaganda about soviets but in other direction Allies never could even imagine that they were supported by even more inhuman regime they had fought.

"After the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, evidence from the Soviet archives became available. The archives record that about 800,000 prisoners were executed under Stalin for either political or criminal offences, while around 1.7 million died in the GULAG and some 390,000 perished during kulak forced resettlement – a total of about 3 million victims."

The "lagers" in USSR were never extermination camps, they were labour camps and acted as prisons. It's common to capture and process enemy soldiers and make them work. It's merely a standard routine. Socialism means the oppression of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat. Socialism isn't good for all, just for the working class.

Even old pseudo historians like Conquest have dropped their death tolls. Initially they counted 30 million based on that the population wasn't growing as fast as it "should" have. If you count like that all western countries have killed millions, because population growth is decreasing. In Russia 7 million people have died due to the fact that the USSR dissolved. The life expectancy is 10 years lower and GDP fell by 50% a short while after the dissolution. Even conservatives like Putin admit that the dissolution of the Soviet Union (from above by liberals like Yeltsin) was a tragedy.

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Dude, I am a very strong socialst, but lets face it, what Lenin and Stalin did was wrong. Indeed, what they did wasn´t even socialism. Killing the "slavemasters" and replacing them with new "slavemasters" isn´t socialism.
Russia before Lenin was even worse for the working class yes, but you cannot honestly believe that Lenin and Stalin did everything in their power to help the working class.

And to be honest, I find your line "Socialism means the oppression of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat" to be horribly misguided.
That still means oppression of people, and that is never right. Socialism is about everyone getting a fair deal, and the abolishment of the socio-economical classes, not the opression of a different class.

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You are basing on russian statistics. Start being serious.

Putin is conservative? You know what are his orgins? He was and maybe still is KGB officer one of your beloved elite commusist. Well you know as well german Lager were prisons. As extermination camps again i encourage you to read some literature. You can say that soviet lagers were paradise small number of guards, somtimes no walls and a little detail nearest human settlment around 100 km in frozen hell of northern russia when you have to work 12 hours without almost any food in temperatures under -20 celcius. Yes much better than Germans. True paradise.

What you write i see you have never saw nor heard about communist reality. About russian facts you heard about Katyń? Officialy in Poland to 1989 it was nazi crime in Russia probably still is. "Facts" you know about "Earth Paradise" are rather well forged evidences that west is still under influence of KGB facts providers. Lies that were reapeted by many years became a truth.

I just wish you could ever taste some true free equality and brotherhood in Soviet Russia. Sadly only for you ans some other "communists" is only past. For most of the world it was a great relief.

Tell you some funny facts from commies reality?
When there was a queue in soviet russia. Every single person read newspaper. No one ever talked. You know why? To not be accused of conspiracy against motherland. I know that from a person who really was in USSR.

"when you have to work 12 hours without almost any food in temperatures under -20 celcius." And what does that differs from the industrialization days (not to defend Stalin or those pseudo dictator regime's. Because anyone with atleast half a brain would know. That saying one thing and doing something completely different aren't remotely close to being the same thing. And the samething goes for calling a political system of government, what it isn't, too)

How can 'dictatorship' and 'democracy' co-exist? Frankly Radsoc, your ideas disgust and frightens me.

You have some access to russian files? I guess no. Not to real one at least. You were a visitor, you speak a russian great you surely speak with Stalin himself or with Lenin corpse that makes you think you know all about that? Yeah Poland was great in 16th century. About emperor i really dont care about monarches they should work as anyone else. You thought i am monarchist? Well Poland today is still having troubles with maintaing safety but western powers are better in talking than acting. About Putin you see what happened with most elite communist party member. You praise people who were your gods before 1990 and now are another thief on your communist crusade list.

About stats you and i have no sure evidences. But you should know that Red Empire lasted over 70 years. I count also all victims of Soviets not only lager ones. Ukrainian hunger, independent movements in Asia, communist guests stupid enough to visit that country. There was many opportiunites for commies to get "better" stats. After WWII also a huge part of Europe and China become playground of NKWD and Red Army. By the way people in Russia simply dont know most of their history because of constant brainwashing they really can tell you how good batiuszka was Stalin.

"In the USSR people were never exterminated." I guess for you monarchists, anticommunist and many other are not people. You easily play with humans lives. Homosexuals were also abused in USSR.

@Anton Appo: Democracy is a kind of dictatorship. The dictatorship of the majority, per definition. No country has ever been democratic. Not in old Athens, not in the 19th century and not now. All countries are dictatorships. Only a country without state and class can be without. The state is acting on the behalf of the ruling class. Be it monarchs, capitalists or workers. When there are no classes there is no state. That's complete democracy, without limitations. But right now it's just as unimaginable as the current "democracy" was 2000 years ago.

@Aradan: I think the stats from the Soviet archives are reliable. It's the only real source too. I wouldn't believe a royalist and fascist like Solshenitsyn living in the US and getting facts from there, for example. If you read about Stalin in wikipedia I'm sure you'll find that the modern conclusion of modern research is that a total of 3 million got killed during Stalin. Sure it's a lot. But in the context it's nothing special to be upset about.

Brainwashing in the USSR? What about brainwashing in the west? What about that 50% like Stalin in Russia, despite 40 years of anti-stalinism? I don't think it can be explained that easily. 40% of the Russians want a new Stalin which is quite remarkable. That's in a capitalist society where Stalins would be shot at the spot for threatening the bourgeois way of life.

About extermination in the USSR. Well sure, during the civil war people were executed. Both sides did this, and it's normal and acceptable in war.

You guys are just pathetic trying to make your political statements like this. This is just a game, remember?

I agree with Torshamn. Come on, this is not RL, this is eRepublik!

Då är det äntligen verifierat med ett konkret exempel. Om man gör en enkel generalisering består FBS av nynazister, pedofiler och bokföringsfifflare.

Punkt slut.

But hey, we're not trying to make any political stances here (apart from Torshamn and his Goebbels avatar), it's just a civilized discussion about other things outside erepublik. It's impossible to avoid RL discussions in threads like these. A better place would be the forum though.

@ Mombassa Då är det äntligen verifierat med ett konkret exempel. Om man gör en enkel generalisering består FBS av nynazister, pedofiler och bokföringsfifflare.
Punkt slut.

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"I think the stats from the Soviet archives are reliable." They are but there is no access. Official Soviets stats are forged.

They like Stalin thats a brainwashing.

Solzenicyn were in gulag, he wrote his book in USSR, he recived a distincion for it, later he was banished.

Wikipedia is not reliable source of information because they are only "official" datas.

"3 million got killed during Stalin. Sure it's a lot. But in the context it's nothing special to be upset about." No comment.