Mīti un realitāte saistībā ar Latvijas-Somijas konfliktu
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by Janohito
Mīts: Mums vajag mieru, jo esam pārāk vāji
Realitāte: Jā, mēs esam vāji militārā ziņā, tomēr šajā spēlē ir arī citi veidi kā cīnīties, ne tikai ar ieročiem rokās. Pastāv tāda lieta kā TO (takeover). Tas nozīmē, ka mēs ievēlam savus kandidātus pretinieka parlamentā vai prezidenta krēslā. Tādējādi mēs varam uzvarēt pretinieku no iekšas, neuzbrūkot tieši. Tam ir vajadzīga tikai laba organizācija un daudz spēlētāju, kas sasnieguši 6. lvl.
Mīts: Mēs varam uzvarēt Somiju karā, vajag tik uzbrukt, kad jaunie spēlētāji sasniegs 5. lvl (varēs karot).
Realitāte: Diemžēl, tas faktiski nav iespējams, mūsu spēlētāju lielākā daļa ir jauniņie, kamēr somi šajā spēlē ir jau visai ilgi. Viens somu tanks (pieredzējis spēlētājs) nodarīs vairāk damage kā kādi 50 jauniņie mūsu spēlētāji. Lai sasniegtu pieklājīgu spēku un lai mēs varētu mēroties spēka ziņā ar somiem, mums būtu nepieciešami savi 4-5 mēneši laika.
Mīts: Pagaidīsim, kad Somija attīstīs Zemgali un tad savāksi jau labi attīstītu provinci.
Realitāte: Kad provinci ieņem cita valsts, gan slimnīca, gan defense system tiek iznīcināta. Tāpat arī pastāv maz cerību, ka somu uzņēmējis paliks Zemgalē un vēlēsies maksāt nodokļus Latvijas valstij. Līdz ar to mums tas, ka somi attīsta Zemgali neko nedos.
Mīts: Somi atdos mums Zemgali pārrunu ceļā. Noslēgsim mieru tagad un gaidīsim, kad somi mums atdos Zemgali.
Realitāte: Somi Zemgalē ir ieguldījuši jau kā minimums 500 gold, tas ir vienīgais High grain reģions Somijas teritorijā. Būtu ļoti naivi cerēt, ka somos tagad modīsies sirdsapziņa un viņi tāpat atteiksies no reģiona, kurā ir ieguldījuši lielu summu, kā arī kurš ir vitāli svarīgs Somijas ekonomikai.
Mīts: Ja mūsu plāns izdosies un mēs atgūsim Zemgali un Latgali, somi tāpat mūs pēc tam atkal iekaros.
Realitāte: Latvijai nav tiešas robežas ar Somiju kā tikai Latgale un Zemgale, līdz ar to Somija pat teorētiski nevarēs mums atkal uzbrukt. Pie tam, mēs esam noslēguši MPP(Mutual protection pact) ar Ungāriju, kas ir viena no spēcīgākajām vals'tīm ePasaulē.
Mīts: Somi ir mūsu draugi, viņi pat piedāvājas atdot mums atpakaļ Latgali, kas taču ir tikpat labi kā atgūt Zemgali?
Realitāte: Somi, viennozīmīgi ir mūsu ienaidnieki, viņi mums uzbruka, okupēja pusi Latvijas, ņirgājās par mums savās un mūsu avīzēs. Latgali viņi mums pamet kā sunim kaulu, lai mēs nomierinātos un nedomātu par Zemgales atgūšanu. Latgalē nav nekādu resursu, kamēr Zemgalē ir High grain, kas nozīmē, ka Zemgalē var ražot graudus 2x efektīvāk kā, piemēram, Vidzemē, kur ir tikai medium grain.
Ps. Nāvi somu okupantiem!
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ljoti labs raksts kas daudzko paskaidro! pilniigi piekriitu!
man, kā cilvēkam, kas šeit spēlē trešo dienu, viss ir skaidrs 🙂
esmu demogrāfiskā sprādziena "viens no".. ar manu balsi varat rēķināties 🙂 cerams arī pārējie mani jaunie kolēģi ies līdzīgu ceļu
ps.. tas viss pasākums ar somiem dod tikai lielāku motivāciju neaizmirst apmeklēt šo lapu un padot infu tālāk pārējiem draugiem
es jau esmu somijas kongresaa, bet Zemgalee bija sameeraa siiva ciinja, daudziem vajadzeetu meegginaat tikt parlamentaa arii caur Latgali
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Myth: You win in Finland's elections and get back your regions.
Reality: Finland is a part of Eden, which spent almost 500 votes in France, maybe 300 in Croatia and still helped Finland to win. Finland wins again, Citizenship module kicks in and Latvia is forever a nation with 2 regions.
Choose carefully, people of Latvia.
So what is the difference? 2 or 3 regions? You will never give us back Zemgale anyway. Latgale is basically worthless.
Latgale nav nevērtīga. Tas ka tur nav resursu, nenozīmē to, ka tā nav zeme, kuras dēļ nevarētu cīnīties 🙂
Es nesaku, ka nevērtīga vispār. Tomēr kāda starpība, vai mums ir 2 vai 3 reģioni, ja mēs neatgūstam Zemgali tāpat?
Myth: Sossu is cool
Reality: He isn't
@Sossu: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this EDEN PTO FAIL in eFrance?
Par neatkarīgu, vienotu Latviju!
esmu sasniedzis lvl 5 🙂 sakiet kad un es braucu atpakaļ uz Latviju lai aizstēvētu mūsu skaistās meitenes (mm)
Mushroom, it wasn't the point.
Learn to read, Sossu.
Mans grib ēst 🙁
Hello people of eLatvia!
There has been lot of talk about the situation of Zemgale and Latgale. Our goverment negotiated with yours about giving back Latgale and for it eFinland and eLatvia should make peace, but your goverment refused to cooperate with us. Your goverment has showed that you are not willing to find a peaceful way in this situation while our new goverment has tried to negotiate with you (as a answer to us your goverment gived their statement: "we don`t negotiate with terrorist`s). We have tried to understand people of eLatvia in this, but unfortunatelly you haven`t tried to understand us so there is a big problem between our countries.
PEACE tried PTO in last presidential elections and it`s possible that they try it again in next congressional elections. PTO isn`t right way to solve this problem, but we are ready to stand againts it. I just hope that if eHungary and other PEACE countries try PTO eFinland eLatvia isn`t going to join in it. Our goverment hopes that our countries could find a peaceful way to this, but unfortunatelly it seems that its not possible.
eFinland is ready to continue negotiations with you but we cannot do it if your goverment isn`t ready to understand us and trying to find a peaceful solution in this conflict.
~Erius, President of eFinland
Lets be honest, you wont give us back Zemgale. Ever. You need it for yourself, you have already spent several hundreds of gold there. You wont give it back to us without a fight. Sure, you probably are willing to give us back Latgale in exchange for peace treaty. Still Latvia cannopt exist without Zemgale, so while you hold it, no peaceful solution is possible.
As far as I know, Finland won independence from Norway by making TO there. Why cant we do the same to Finland?
@Janohito
When eFinland won it`s indepence, it was done with permission of norwegians. We didn`t gain our indepence only by fighting againts eNorway. We separate as friends and allies of eNorwey. Finnish party, Sovereign Finland, was the largest party in eNorwey and we got the control of eNorwey, but we didn`t try to destroy eNorweys economy. We knew that eFinland will get it`s indepence when V1 come and we waited. eLatvia can also wait. We might have used lot of gold to Zemgale but still we are ready to give Zemgale back someday when eLatvia is strong enough to take it in fair fight and when you are ready to hold it on your own. I`m quite sure that when that time comes eFinland has those high wood regions and Zemgale isn`t anymore so vital to us. At that time our countries could be friends, not foes and eFinland needs good and strong friends much more than one highregion. There is opportunity that eFinland gives Zemgale back as a friend or that eLatvia try to take it back by war. Which would be better way?
eFinland was wholly under rule of eNorwey so finnish party in norwegian soil wasn`t surprise (in those times there were russian parties too). eLatvia isn`t completely under the finnish rule so this isn`t same kind of situation.
Well you clearly stated that you are ready to give back Zemgale only when we can take it by force. It would take us about 4-5 months to be able to match Finlands military might. I really dont think that 5 month without heart of Latvia is worth more than having Finland as friends in distant future.
PEACE already tried TO you and I hope that they will try it at least once more. Latvia will probably be part of PEACE soon as well and then we as members of PEACE will be able to fight (TO) Finland side by side with our hungarian, indonesian and russian brothers. If TO succeed and I hope it will, we not only will get our regions back but we will have revenge on Finland as well about humiliation that Finland has caused to Latvia.
@Janohito
So, if i understand it right, you aren`t going to even try to negotiate with us and you say you are our enemies. I`m sorry to hear that. If eLatvia want war they will have it. eFinland wont give Zemgale, and not even Latgale back to our enemies.
eFinland isn`t weak country and we will fight back in every PTO and open attacks. How many times you can try PTO in our country and how many times we will stop it. You may try to take Zemgale back by PTO but you have to think what has happened in your country. You have babyboom at the moment, but it`s not so hard to have baby boom in eFinland after you try PTO to us. I can assure you that it`s going to be quite hard times for both countries.
I hope that your goverment will tell to us their opinion so that we don`t need to hear it from normal players.
Well but what is the point in negotiations? You will give us back Latgale in exchange for peace and probably we wont be allowed to try TO you. In case of peace we will be forced to live several months without any hope to regain Zemgale. And I as many other latvians would sooner fight for our land than agree to just wait when you will feel like you want to return Zemgale.
I have never stated that Finland is weak country. You are a lot stronger than us in military sense so without help of PEACE we wont be able to win RW. Our advantage is our population. Currently our population increases by 150-170 per day while your increases by 30-50 probably most of them are latvians that just register in your occupied regions. I see just one possibility to win our regions back. And it is TO.
If we get our regions back, baby boom in Finland wont matter for us. Sure you could try to TO us as well, but you wont be able to get Zemgale again. We dont share border.
Oh yes, I probably should have intruduced myself. I in fact am minister of propaganda in Latvia 🙂 So I am part of the government actually. Still you can probably ignore my opinion since this is just my view on how should we solve our problem 🙂
@Janohito
"And I as many other latvians would sooner fight for our land than agree to just wait when you will feel like you want to return Zemgale."
This not about how long you have to wait. This is do you want to be friends with us or not. If you want to be our friends and allies you can wait that moment when we are able to give Zemgale back. This are not black and white as you seems to think.
"Still you can probably ignore my opinion since this is just my view on how should we solve our problem "
I think you should think what you will publish in media if you this is just your on opinion. You are a minister of propaganda and if you publish articles like this people could think that this is your goverments opinion. And if i have understand this right we wont solve this problem in a diplomatic way.
Well I personaly dont want to be friends with any of former Atlantis countries. I want Latvia to be part of PEACE and really dont think that we need some kind of relationships with Finland. I would prefer to have Finland in the same spot as Norway is now after all the TOs. You deserve that 🙂
I just express opinion of most latvian people - no peace till our regions are back. It is that simple 🙂 We dont need allies that need our regions just to be friends with us. We want allies that threat us as equals and dont try to take our regions.
Kāpēc vispār Jūs viņam atbildat! Pateica, ka ar karu jādabū atpakaļ OK klusām attīstīsimies un vienā brīdī viņus notrieksim!
Bet varbut tagad panemam Latgali un nosledzam mieru un kad vajadzes to lauzisim. Ja mes ari dabusim Zemgali atpakalj tad somi vares tai uzbrukt no Latgales. Ja taa bus musu nebus vairak tieshas robezhas.
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