Is this really OK?
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by stockyrocky310597
Yes I know it's a bit after the election but I think this needs to be brought to light. During the elections, a message was send to ESO Members:
"Hello there, I'm contacting you today because you happen to be in ESO. We in The Unity Party, respect the work of ESO, and are pleased that we can count it's members among our friends. However today, we ask you to honour that friendship. A great member of the eUK commuinty (Daeres) has run under an ESO banner, for the role of country president. Unfortunately for him, he now has no chance of winning as the vote's for the two other main candidates are just too high. Therefore, out of respect to Daeres, we are asking ESO members to vote for Temujin94 (An awesome candidate, who has not only shown himself to be active, friendly and helpful, but has promised to see us conquer the Irish again!) who has promised that if he is elected, he will make Daeres his Deputy Prime Minister, giving him the level of responsibility we feel he is more than able fulfil! Please, remember a vote for Temujin94, is a vote for the good goverance of the eUK, and for a month of fun!
Thanks
Custard Cream"
Right, is this really OK? Trying to turn voters to them behind our backs! They also did not consult our party leadership to see if this was ok, and claiming it was out of "respect" for Daeres. A response I got from someone on this topic was "This is out of order. I called them on it and they profusely apologized and said that it wasn't 'our fault because it was a message that was written hastily by jimbojoy and not temujin himself' (which is garbage obviously)"
So, is this really ok?
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Back room, deals, what a disgrace if this has actually happened.
This actually happens alot. I've been playing for two years and have probably received 10 or so of these on election day. Party's all mass mail, and it's just the done thing. You don't have to follow it, you're certainly not forced to do it, and the message was written by myself. I don't see why there should be a problem, I myself read mails from all party's, mostly I ignore them, sometimes I'll reply to waste the mass messagers reply, others I'll act apon. Mass Messages have been around for too long not to be used as such.
With regard to going behind backs, why should anyone have to speak to a party leader before messaging the members of that party? I receive both emails on congressonal elections, and joining ESO (and Legion), I don't make a fuss. I don't inform my PP and ask for an inquiry, and I certainly don't make a fuss. It's obvious several ESO members DID support Temujin94, and thats most probably due to the fact they thought he was the better candidate.
ESO has no chance without a really good candidate: assume and work your role as second rate kingmakers and get over it.
ESO state that their party members are allowed to vote who they like in CP elections, why then should anyone have to ask the PP permission to give information about the options. Since it is not some partisan issue.
Parmesan*
ESO members are invited to vote for whoever they want to and for whatever reasons (or not) they have. If you or anyone wants to promote a candidate then that isn't a problem - it's always good to learn about all the alternatives to make an informed decision.
When you start to tell us to vote for your candidate 'out of respect for Daeres', then we begin to have a problem. If ESO decide to make a policy decision to direct voters from the candidate we are backing to another, then that is an internal party issue. If at any point you want to propose that we think about doing this - then you speak to the leadership.
So, it's not the message, it's the content. Cut the patronising bullshit and promote your candidate on their merits. Leave it to the voters to decide who is best.
I actually agree with stocky. There is a difference between messaging those in other parties and claiming that you are contacting them out of some sort of respect for their PP. I don't mind that you messaged ESO, but the content of the message is very poor. Don't make it sound like you are trying to do Daeres a favour, or that you even cared about what he felt about the message/election.
that being said, ESO will usually be the 3rd party and will therefore often have to decide between UKRP and TUP candidates, however, that is an ESO decision to make and nobody elses.
"that is an ESO decision to make and nobody elses."
I agree 🙂
I think Stocky is trying to hammer this point down:
"We in The Unity Party, respect the work of ESO, and are pleased that we can count it's members among our friends. However today, we ask you to honour that friendship." and "Therefore, out of respect to Daeres"
I think that's trying to be a little bit deceiving by saying that we owe you something and that we're actually friendly. If we were we would have supported temujin and not Daeres.
So your only real issue is the use of the word respect. How pathetic.
I hate it when messages make me do things against my will...
MUST NOT CLICK VOTE.
Meh people take this game to seriously, saying that maybe I should create a new Party called the Zombie Party for all the zombie voters out there.
In all truth doesn't everybody have the right to vote the way they wish to irrespectively of which party they belong to and for whom they feel is the best candidate for the job or jobs at hand
All your zombie multis would vote for you
I like Eno's cabinet.
The point is; to a new player, this is incredibly deceitful. It makes it seem like the two parties are completely chummy and share votes all of the time, and that was quite purposeful.
Posting for further involvement.
I'm truthfully tired of the ethical equivocating that goes on in the UK.
TUP - win on your own merits
At the end of the day, Messaging like this happens, and should continue to happen. There is nothing wrong in messaging members of other parties. No one forces them to vote any particular way and it's always worth trying to inform people of their choices.
However, the way the message was written was unfortunate. But making a massive issue out of, at worse, a poorly written but well intentioned mass message is taking things a little too far don't you think?