Ideals vs. Surviving
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by Aeroner
Hello Israel.
I've been seeing comments by people saying that we should join PEACE, or at least give up our alliance with America.Others are saying that joining PEACE would be catastrophic, and that we should go down fighting.
Well, we could join PEACE. It could mean our safety, our existence. Or it could mean losing our freedom. Something we have just fought to obtain. But it also could mean that we won't go out like North Korea, or any of the other countries that dared stand up to PEACE. Let's look at our ideals. We know as a country we should do the right thing. But what exactly is the right thing? PEACE is known as the aggressor, the wolf in a pack of sheep. But then again, PEACE spreads the same about America. But we see what is happening to America. And we try to stop it, but we can't. It is not a happy thought, but it is quite possible the USA won't exist in the month. Perhaps even in the next few weeks. What does this say about Israel? Most probably that we are brave from our allies. Even some of our enemies. But others will just call us stupid and naive. But we made a promise to America. They helped us, we help them. It's pretty straighforward you might say. But do the promises we made before the war hold us to right now? Do we stand by America in their hour of need, or do we leave them standing the rain? Do we fight PEACE?
The answer is simple. Yes. We fight PEACE. But not because they are attacking America. No, not because their very existence could destroy our allies. We do it because that is what is right.
Israel will always stand against oppression. No matter what. No matter what anyone tells them, or how the world will view them after the dust settles. We must do this, because it would mean honoring the very people who gave eIsrael freedom in the first place.
So of course Israel. The answer is postively, without a doubt, fight PEACE. For if we give in to them, we give up our ideals.
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So I'm guessing America is just special and when they invaded Portugal Mexico France and Russia and Canada and helped their allies invade so many other nations , they were freedom fighters ? Really ? So America can do what ever the fuck they please without being punished ? If Israel truely thinks this , then by all means stay with America , and fall just like North Korea .
No..we shouldn't target an alliance because it is hosile to a different nation that helped us. We helped them a lot. But they are losing and being macho and fighting till the end won't do them and definitaly won't do us any good.
But I do suggest that we call a vote to decide what to do. Like I said earlier we are a nation not a slave. They helped us out..BUT if you help a weak person you don't expect a return favor but we did that anyways for a long time. So let the people of this nation decide what to do.
Regards from the orthodoxy,
Invar
@yy
I agree with you entirely you have to think like a country and not a slave try to look at the big picture is what ok trying to say.
Now , if we stuck with our ideals , then we loose our nation , now sir , you were not here when our nation , did not exist , so you have no clue how it feels , (I do not either , but just go ask Sadeh what it feels like) and just remember , ideals are useless unless you have a country . And what you're proposing would leave us without a country , whatever your ideals are , they are not for the better of Israel .
Great, so we ally with PEACE, they eventually break down ( which they for sure will. Indonesia and Hungary won't be able to share power for much longer) we gte caught in the middle, and Iran or Turkey conquers us. Great. We lost our nation and respect for ourselves.
Or, we fight. we may get conquered, but at least we will still be able to say we were true to ourselves.
And as I said at the end of my article, I don't think we should fiight this for America. I'm not too happy with America either. They were partly responsible for what just happened to them.
I am not sayig we join PEACE I am saying we call a vote and decide what is the best cource for Israel.
I dont really know. Im conflicted about the whole thing.
Only thing I know is we should keep a low profile, and try and pass ourselves off as neutral but with an MPP with the US to the enemy, It cant hurt to be safe even if were helping the US but not being too boisterous about it.
Exactly!!
We are allies with them nothing more. We aren't best friends or strangers. We just help them out because of the alliance. That's the official reason.
The unofficial reason is that they helped us and we will help them.
Wrong. Our countries survival should be our ultimate priority.
We owe to US our very existence as free and united Country. It is about our honor and identity itself as a Nation to stay by their side in time of need. Everyone who thinks different does not belong to Am Israel, such one belongs to nameless and spineless conformists who will welcome any kind of oppression or invasion.
Yes, we are small but in no way we are not weak, at least when it comes to spirit and will. We are Nation of fighters and survivors and there is no power in whole New World that can argue upon it. We can be conquered, but not broken, we proved it once and can prove it again.
In this New World nothing really matters except loyalty and honor, so let's not lose neither of them.
Arent we throwing away all their hard work if we just let ourselves get conquered though.. I mean even the US is trying to work out a deal with PEACE.
@Gideon
That comment was uncalled for saying that we are not allowed to think different. They did us a favor. We thanked them and we helped them win a few battles. But if we get taken over than what use will we be to anyone. Israel first then the world. That's just what I think.
@yyytttvvv
You have lost long time ago the right to call yourself a part of Israel.
I think we shouldn't leave the USA untill we lose our last hope.
That's dumb because by that time PEACE would have taken over the free world. If we call a referendum and we decide not to coninue to be active and support America than we have the chance to survive.
I like how its either with them or against them. Why think in absolutes? Are you that naive or simply extremist? There is the alternative path of neutrality that has served many nations well.
Even if America, and perhaps Israel, were to fall at the hands of PEACE, PEACE itself will eventually collapse and nations will be revived.
No one organization can take over the entire world and successfully run it. PEACE, like the Nazis, will fall. And I look forward to the day that I see the United States of America, as well as all those conquered by PEACE, restored to their former glory.
@Invar New World reality shows that impressions and opinions have long eLife. Look at Russia, for instance - they cannot forget what others did to them (Norway, USA etc.) and now they paying the dues.
Same will work for us - if we show the world that as eNation we have iron will and reliable word, even if we fall, we will not have any troubles to find allies and help as soon as we decide to rise up again. But if we fail at maintaining loyalty and friendship - we are doomed for eternity. Remember, it`s live people behind those funny pictures, and people tend to remember things and deeds.
Oo...
yyytttvvv
Location
Indonesia
Citizenship
Indonesia
Why do you even listen to a PEACE friendly comment of that guy?
He used to live in Israel.
So what? Did he return to get citizenship of eIsrael?
Well you can see he didn't 😛.
>I like how its either with them or against them. Why think in absolutes? Are you that naive or simply extremist? There is the alternative path of neutrality that has served many nations well.
Well, because technically, it is. We have dealt much damage as a country to PEACE. Maybe not enough to be a huge threat, but enough. As of now, we are branded an ally of America. That will not change unless we give up our MPP with America. Which will no doubt be catastrpohic for us. Turkey will know that now we have no allies. We are at the moment of our greatest vulnerabilty. And who do you think will help Turkey out or even join in the fight? Iran. And who is one of PEACE's biggest nations? Iran. So let's say we call out for help from America, which probably won't be answered. Let's say we also cried out for help from PEACE. Will they side with us instead of Iran?
I think not.
PEACE will take over the world if the world does not fight back as one while we still can. We die now, fighting united, or we die later, slowly, one by one. One way gives us a chance, the other simply buys some people time, throwing others to the wolves.
Ok
1. I agree we shouldn't think in absolutes and that we should find a definite comprimise.
2. Are you so sure peace will fall??
Like it was said there are real people behind pictures they know that people think that and that'd why they are returning austrailia and India. Think of it realistically even if PEACE falls it's hard for an individual countries government to just collapse. So of our country is taken over by a PEACE member there isn't much we can do.
yyytttvvv
is from what i know, jewish and pretty mush loyal to eIsrael.
he don't wish us any harm. :/
>yyytttvvv
is from what i know, jewish and pretty mush loyal to eIsrael.
he don't wish us any harm. :/
It's not that I don't believe you, but why would he stay in Indonesia and spread propaganda about Indonesia's economy?
I am Jewish , I do eat bacon here and there , but I am Jewish , and all of my "PEACE PROPAGANDA ! PEACE PROPAGANDA !" is just me trying to save you from a fate the same as North Korea . And I was just saying that crap about the taxation system in Indonesia because it's so awesome , end a story .
And weither some of you want it or not , I am and always will be a part of Israel .
Woo hoo!!
We shan't be oppressed.
>I am Jewish , I do eat bacon here and there , but I am Jewish , and all of my "PEACE PROPAGANDA ! PEACE PROPAGANDA !" is just me trying to save you from a fate the same as North Korea . And I was just saying that crap about the taxation system in Indonesia because it's so awesome , end a story
I'm Jewish also. WHat does that have to do with your loyalty to a country? I'll use an example in RL. I march in the Israeli Day Parade almost every year. I've seen plenty of jews on the side jeering at us and booing us,
Do you see me saying Israel is evil and should be destroyed ? No .
Im American and not Jewish 😮
>Do you see me saying Israel is evil and should be destroyed ? No .
Obviously, you don't get what I am saying.
just be open to hear more opinions, you shouldn't be too much narrow minded.