I'll talk, you listen, then lets go get a beer
Day 1,003, 16:44
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by Joshua Hoss
I came back home to eIsrael with the hopes of restarting the eIsraeli Defense Forces (eIDF) and creating a small, but strong, military. In that aspect I failed. I came back, and after an interesting election, was appointed General of the eIDF. I met with leaders of the various military factions (UZP, Shalom, etc), talked to them, and began to design a course of action. In the beginning things were looking good – the UZP agreed to disband their militia and join the eIDF. But from there things went downhill. Cooperation between me and “established” leaders of a certain group began to get hostile. They wanted things done their way, I needed to balance the demands of everyone, and it was a disaster. Our ultimate structure/plan ended up being very similar to theirs and included the ideas of other groups, yet that still failed. I take the blame for that. But I never once stopped trying to work with anyone from any group. Others cannot say the same thing (like a former Minister of Defense who refused to compromise on anything). Yet I stand by my statement that I believe eIsrael to have moved beyond a government funded military and into the “fight with friends” mode. eIsrael is not the only country to have difficulties military. But when you look at those who seem fine you will notice one outstanding fact – massive funding. Nobody wants to take orders or do something out of character for no reward. Without weapons, tickets, and other funds there is no incentive to fight. And eIsrael does not have the economy to support this.
I apologize for not informing you of everything I know. Many of you have heard certain members of our society talking about me “stealing” several companies. Understand that this claim is false. I have not ever stolen anything from eIsrael. eIsrael is my love, my home, my country. I do regret not telling someone else about the truth, and I realize that to tell it now will probably do no good. But I will. When I took over the eIDF back in November of 2009 we had nothing to our name. No companies, no weapons, no tickets. Anything that belonged to the eIDF had “disappeared” long before I took command. I happened to be in a chat room one night complaining about this fact when a businessman heard my complaints and approached me. He agreed to buy and lease us two companies (later he added a third). His only conditions were that he remain anonymous and that the lease be re-evaluated every time a new commanding officer of the eIDF was appointed. Of course I agreed. This lease worked out well for us and he continued to invest in the companies, helping supply our troops for several of our wars. When I left control to Maelyn he agreed to the transfer. When I took over the eIDF again a month ago he agreed to continue. But when I resigned he decided the time had come to take back his companies. I informed him of my resignation, at which time he informed me of his decision. Per our agreement those companies were transferred back to his control. I apologize to all of eIsrael for not including you in on this agreement, but it was one of the conditions I had agreed to. In retrospect I probably should not have taken the deal and let the eIDF struggle on its own two feet, but I could not stand to see something I cared for struggle so much.
I dream that eIsrael will be a place players will want to come to. We need to fix our economy. We need to make business owners want to open up shop in eIsrael. We need to increase the flow of cash. By doing this we can increase our funding, population, and eventually military. Players play games to have fun. Right now eIsrael is not fun. We can’t work, we can’t buy anything, and we can’t fight. This makes the game boring and leads to our population dying off. Let’s rally together and build up a flow of gold that will make our country great.
Thank you all for listening to me. I know this was long, and I apologize for that. But it was important for me to speak my mind and get the truth out there. Thank you for that.
Joshua Hoss
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Holy heck Hoss... lots of words!
Voted. But just so you know, I work, buy shit, and kill people all the time!
o7 Hoss
o7
kingdom of concience or nothing hoss.
you can't post "code of conduct" on one hand, and have backdoor deals on the other.
in any even no matter what was the reason. the ends doesn't not justify the acts. even wit those companies. eidf was never even semi operational. you said you needed those companies to get the eidf together. but in some recent battles and engagments made by eidf all those companies didn't help you. i had to supply eidf with mt's for their operation in croatia. and it was pure luck. i had come to irc to check things up. if i didn't it would be yet another glorified eidf operation where everyone pay for their own transport.
while officers brag "hey i wasted 70 gold"(or was it 30)
people feel stupid to travel with their own money to fight a war. when they could do just the same without the headache of being ordered around..
Content withstanding, I think that has to be the worst reply I've ever seen you make to an article PK. Are you ok? And I am seriously asking, because you made no sense. Just want to see if there is something wrong bud.
Hoss, thanks for posting this article before I did. I think that would've been bad for all of us.
Voted, voted, voted, and I wish you the best of luck Hoss.
http://erep.maxihellas.com/bestcountryfighters.aspx Take a look at israel. then take a look at eSA. similar sized, yet... PS, According to that website I got more kills than the top 5 israeli players. Get your crap together people or you'll stay the poor country cousin that always need help forever.
Krimpie, that isn't fair. Most of our active and high level citizens are stuck in Congress working and cannot deploy abroad. This also is not the right place to be bringing this topic up.
Krimpie...what the hell?
So...because you can deal more damage...we're going to say weak?
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How IS the weather atop your pedestal, anyway?
\o/ go hoss!
what hoss? you talk about how uncooperative people were but you didn't say nothing about how you did stupid shit that made you fail in the first place. you brought unrelated people as your officers. if they were related they were burnt out. yet failing to realize that. this is all can go for hours man. i would say this is nice article. but its too little too late. you tried to play "your way" and in fact that you said " i wanted to listen to everyone's ideas"
is quite the bs you wanted things done your way. thats it. everyone else said wtf hoss. uzp with ohad and matan9010, shalom with me and matanb. even people unrelated to politics like hadorban. you made quarrel with everyone. "it was almost the same as their plan" thats quite bs. and i will show you why. matanb with some of the outstanding minds of our nation. have come up with a perfectly good plan. which you needed to only put into action. thats it. no need for reorganization no need to reshuffle the troops. much of your failure comes from that. you basicly forced people to sign forms of recruitment 2 or 3 times. when you had already filled sheet given you by matanb and the others. you put squads and troops as you see fit. and not by recommendation by the people actually on the ground. who have far more superior knowledge of whats the situation then you. ( remind you, you just came back. )
this my friend what have caused your demise. and the article here that screams with apologetic tune. is the proof. you were like a thorn in this nations foot. the lack of activity or the will to follow orders is the direct result of everything that you did wrong.
and to remind you. every step of the way. i was there with you saying "don't go solo. just do what they want. and be a happy worker" because in the end. the nation does not need to fit under your scheme of plans. but the other way around hoss. remember that. 🙂
and krimpie. good for you man. im happy.
PK, quick comment:
I liked you better when you were leading the country...because you were quiet.
Hey KrimpieKat, go shove it up your ass. We did 6k more damage in FER than that poor, decrepit backwater of a nation you call South Africa.
^Jewyoyomaxx \o/
HEY! Krimpie doesn't represent all of South Africa. SA is a close friend of eIsrael, quiet that up.
ye aeroner, he just represent hoss..
Krimpie=Hoss?...
Wtf are you talking about.
Joshua Hoss is a man among children. One of the greatest people in this game, if you let your hatred and ignorance of facts blind you, then you are a fool.
I'm not here to point fingers or choose sides, even tho I do see Hoss as a very good friend. Where most of you are having a dicksize contest, i'm trying to find a solution.
I guess what i'm trying to say is: What kept me in the game partially was the fighting. Why not pick promising troops, send them over to the US/Canada/eSA or wherever to be part of their armed forces. That way they help arm and train your troops for you. The reason israel did more damage than eSA in FER? Most of their troops are in the US army. Mostly Airborne. Most of them Croatian citizenship atm. And for the record, I dont see myself as eSA. To try and clarify, why not just send troops to allied armies. Everybody fighting the same wars most the time. That is what I was trying to point out to you guys when I mentioned the kill counts. And i'm not saying send everybody either. Way back we had a program in Airborne where we'd take 2 foreign troops. Have them for a set period of time. They fight with us, we armed them, they learned how we operate, then sent them back home and a new set started. The old guys go home and take that experience with them, which they can then apply at home or not.
If you want, i'm pretty sure I can set something like that up for Israel as well.
Good story bro
you have good imagination 🙂
excuse Hoss, he forgot his pills
Hoss didn't give one shred of evidence to support his very unrealistic fairy tail (so if Hoss wasn't getting back the IDF after maelyn, what was the plan), until such proof arises i decline to believe him.
Zaib - You are judged by the friends you carry. One of your fiends just happens to be a guy who took a lot of eIsrael's funds just about a year ago now. So funny of you to cast a stone...
Matanb - I think you know all about taking pills. Some of the stuff you come up with is pretty far out there...
Chiko - So guilty until proven innocent in other words? Nice belief system you got there buddy.
krimpie thanks but no thanks even in rl you see ab, marine,navy seals come to train here in israel
and in this game we got few people ( not nearly enough i know ) who has the brightest of ideas. and output to this military structure and the module.
PK you make no sense (in your longer rant up above). First off, I apologized. I failed, and I admit that. But you say that I refused to work with anyone else, which is straight up a flat lie. Heck, I even downloaded MSN so I could talk to your little group of "outstanding minds". And what did I get for this effort? Everytime I logged in I had you screaming at me to "just do what they say". I'm sorry PK, but that is not the way things work. You also say that the plan we followed was not the plan set by these "outstanding minds". You are right, it wasn't exactly. Those plans contained only members from Shalom and those who had ties to real life Israel. It was missing the other half of our country. So yes, I made a second form to catch them. No, I never ignored the first form. In fact I sent a message to everyone on that form to make sure they were still interested. And guess what. I got replies from about 5% of those people. So for all your talk about having a plan set up you really only had a list of names, nothing more. This sort of sounds like "Kibbutz"... a plan being talked about as being great, yet nothing actually shows up. Oh yea, and regarding some of these "outstanding minds", one of them just up and disappeared (Hadorban) and the other would refuse to talk to me unless it was in a group conversation (matanb). It those are your "outstanding minds" PK then I really feel sorry for you.
Actually KrimpieKat, you should send us some of your soldiers. We have a special program for Marines that helps them get over their presumptuousness and arrogance, not to mention the superiority complex. If you'd like, I can get you in!
"those plans contained only members from Shalom and those who had ties to real life Israel. It was missing the other half of our country." Well, this certainly would not be uncharacteristic, in fact it would be highly typical. This is exactly what is going on right now with the Kibbutz.
Jewyoyo that is what I am trying to say ("Kibbutz"). Heck they even renamed their party without asking (or even telling) most of their members. It seems as if their ideas are the only ones that matter. Imagine what it would be like if they controlled the forum. Goodbye free speech and opposition...
some of the guys are not trying to do whats right. too much ego going on. everybody tries to be the big messiah or whatever.
when some of you guys would understand. this place no matter how many backflips you will do. should be in hands of people who have nothing but the sincere desire and passion for eisrael and israel as nation.
many non rl eisraelis claim "let the nation be governed by people who have skill and not rl location"
if people would understand this. and start to see beyond the bs...
we wouldve been unstopabble.
So PK openly admits that fxp controls the nation. Thanks bud.
Dean you are a smart guy and I give you a lot of respect. You were always someone who I felt I could talk to during the process. But for all of your motives you had no control over matanb and his like. You simply took what he said as the actual truth, even though he didn't have a clue as to what was going on. I think you have the potential to be a great player, but your biggest mistake is putting too much faith into bad players you surround yourself with. I'm sorry that I struck a nerve with the "Kibbutz" idea, but what I said on it is the truth. You promised us something great, and so far all we have seen is hot air.
Oh, and as for being in eGreece... I think I was there almost as soon as I got placed as General. I told you, PK, matanb, Franz, and everyone else why when I moved. The eIDF needed iron for weapons, I owned an iron company in eGreece, and I could donate iron. I paid myself minimum wage and ran that company into the ground for the eIDF. So complain all you want, I was doing my part. If someone doesn't have the courage to ask me what I am doing and instead relies on the word of poor players (like matanb) then it is their own fault that their "assumptions" are incorrect.
Finally, you claims on having 220 "active members" are a straight up lie. If so, where are these people now? Where were they went I sent EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM messages about the eIDF? Just because someone was on your precious list does not mean they were active. You had simply made a list of who you "thought" should be in the eIDF, who you "thought" should lead it, and called it a "great" plan. Heck, even the man you picked to lead it disappeared from even your contact. Good "plan"...
yes, FXP is much better over the forum of the theif
oh my god guys this honestly makes me sick to my stomach. Its ridiculous how you guys opress him... He stood out and told you the truth a military in IDF wont work now and your going to blame it on him. Hell i wasnt here for a while but if the guys who were telling him what o do were politicians that would have made it worse, no matter what you say politicians shouldnt really even interfere with how a military is run because they put government above military. Most also have little knowledge about military. Hoss has more mlitary experience than everyone in this country combined and is probably light years ahead of me while I have accomplished a vast array of military officer jobs.
I dont exactly know the situation but dont you dare blame Hoss for the failure of the IDF because he is one of the best people in the entire eWorld you could ask to come here and help run your military. I really dont care who was giving him advice or trying to tell him what to do because trust me if Hoss didnt think it would work for the military I can almost guarantee you it would not
So PK, what is the role of hapless Diaspora Jews such as myself, who have been playing in eIsrael much longer than many 'RL Israelis'? Stand on the sidelines and watch FXP decide shit just because we don't speak Ivrit?
Yeah, guys, lets keep pushing the hebrew-english divide even further. Lets keep fighting with each other, that'll show the rest of the world! I'm sorry, but all of this is bull. You guys shouldn't be fighting. At all.
Thanks Panther, I appreciate it. And Jewyoyo, imagine if you are not a Jew, where do you think yo fit into FXP's plans? And Robbie, I am sorry for causing this. I attempted to resign but then and taking the blame for something I didn't do. All of this just wraps into larger and bigger problems eIsrael has. We need something different.
This wasn't a RL Israeli-Non RL Israeli thing...at least until PK brought up that whole "FXP controlling the country" thing. Not sure why he did that.
"many non rl eisraelis claim "let the nation be governed by people who have skill and not rl location"
Anybody else find this disturbing?
Josh: You don't have to resign. And don't apologize to me; I know you only mean well. Lets face it; there are very few people left in eIsrael who know how to run the military ship.
Jewyoyo: Its partially true, but considering the active memberbase is predominantly english-speakers?
when that is considered, PK's fascist statement appears to be even worse.
Don't get me wrong: FXP is just as essential to the success of eIsrael as the English-speakers. However, we should not perpetuate the separation of these two groups. Instead, we should be bringing them closer together.
and this is done by saying FXP controlls eIsrael?
Well no, but we know PK is elitist, so...
okay if this is about FXP and Non RL-Israelis vrs Real life israelis... There are ways non israelis and israelis can communicate, they can coexist. Israel needs a boost in population to ever succeed and tbh if FXP is trying to fight that it is pure and simple they are selfish players who put their power in front of the nation. A real leader would do anything including give up his power no matter how much time he spent on it for that group to succeed.
FXP members such as Sadeh Badeh have a long history of being greedy such as when he stole from the US treasury... I also highly question their ability to lead especially during times of great need. Remember Zaib Atsu who was basically gone when the Turkish invaders initiated an invasion after we were betrayed by the previous president. I as MoD at the time contacted the Greeks and messaged every EDEN nation calling for help.. I actually got a response and after messaging zaib atsu about his plans and what I have come up with he ignored me for several days which may have defeated the Turkish invasion within a few days. I decided to cut communications with him as it was pointless to even try any longer while he went rogue regardless of what I could assemble. Finally he contacted me and wanted to talk to me when it was basically to late. For some reason the IDF, myself, SVV, as well as Hoss took some flak for what really was an official announcement of what zaib initiated himself. Anyway if guys like these are supposed to be the 'elite' of this nation it is literally an absolute joke and if you can look beyond the propoganda, high leveled players, and shiny medals and actually look at some of these guys' results, history, and leadership skills its pretty easy to figure out
fxp doesn't control. the people in it do.
fxp for my taste is some of the worst community platform ever was. and i speak as veteran gamer.
jewyoyo, robbie both are phenomenal players with much wisdom and input on ANY subject. can't you see the flow of things? at the rl israeli pool of players there is constant flow of new players. some come and go some stay and leave a mark. myself included half a year ago i was enthusiastic new player who wanted the world. somehow i achieved it. not entirely like i wanted but i got there. left my mark gave my soul and heart over 4 months of complete servitude to this nation. if you guys want to act "i am OG and you have 0 claim to question me, but ihave the right to question every move" then you are wrong. lets look at the facts here. while you both are outstanding and your record goes beyond any recall. i would be right saying ( correct me if im wrong ) you are some of "tired" because we don't see the same fire in your eyes we don't see you doing stuff just like more driven players ( like croy ) im not saying you can't chill. but seriously let the people who DO want to DO the dirty work to do it. and if you don't want to pitch in. don't cry over it.
imo large part of this semi retirement state is partisan agendas carved in stone in many of the players books. too much loyalty for dead ideas or obsolete way of thinking.
step forward. i can't imagine how much of great deal of help and contribution people like you would add to this nation on more active levels.
btw. im not an elitist..
But you sound like one. You basically came out and said that the few players I mentioned above found on fxp run everything. You then contradict yourself and say that you "can't imagine how... people like you would add... on more active levels" and yet you basically shoot down people who DO try to be active and introduce new ideas on a large scale. What it basically boils down to is a few select players ("fxp elite") have "decided" how this country should be run and don't care to hear any ideas to the contrary. As proof I give you my term as General (having a group of you yell at me everday on msn), the top secret "Kibbutz" idea, and now the renaming of the old Shalom party basically on your own. If that isn't elitism I do not know what is.