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Love articles like this...

I too wonder about death as it draws exorbitantly closer and takes family & friends in its embrace.

However when you note every claim about the supernatural ever tested and explained has shown NOTHING supernatural about it I am as certain as I can be that (as you said) we will be "stardust back!."

But this does not worry me at all.

People ask does death death worry me? Nope not at all as I will be dead, over, and not worrying about anything. I do think about family and friends mourning (or not 😃) my passing and tell them not to bother. Easy to say as I still mourn others 🙁.

But Death is inevitable so the best bit of advice I can give anyone is advice I got early in life.

"Life is not a dress rehearsal, we get no second chances so enjoy lie and try leave a better planet for those to come after us."

As for god. I don't see proof or the need for one. It is just stories that people used to add meaning to a life they saw no meaning in. We are more educated now!

Just enjoy life and those around you.

Thanks for the article...and write more...

whs 😃

Well, apparently I'll write 3 more 😛

I think main problem is we are not at previous ages (arguably pre-Belle Époque) where they know so little and in comfort as blessed and blissed of ignorance or our years later successors either.

Maybe I should consider cryogenic options 🙂

You probably meant cryonics; the cryopreservation. I think it'd be awesome to write about and discuss some more tangible topics, such as morality of cryo., cloning and euthanasia. 🙂

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Nice.

I think about this sometimes, though not as often as I think about the origins of religion as potentially coming from the stars some tens of thousands of years ago.

I've heard one theory that there are many places your soul goes based on the category it falls into once the body dies. That there are some souls that are selfless and some that are completely selfish, while the majority are selfish most of the time with potential for good. Earth being a current mix but would one day in the future be a totally selfish planet where only selfish souls are reborn. Hence reincarnation being an attempt to be reborn on a selfless planet some day. It confused the hell out of me tbh xD

I myself have considered the idea that the afterlife does exist but only as you make it. Your conscious lives on forever through the soul while your body dies. Perhaps our own judgement of our own decisions impacts the reality we create for ourselves once we have no body to hold us.

But these are just thoughts, fun to think about. As an agnostic I stay open minded but accept that once I'm gone it will most likely be like that time before I was born, nothingness. And I'm ok with that.

The only guaranteed way to live forever is to make your mark on humanity, into the history books, which is becoming harder and harder to do as time goes on and people are becoming more a statistic than anything else.

I really like your last paragraph. 🙂

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Welcome back Unduli

1- glad to see you back as eirish o/

2- i am not afraid to die but afraid to the pain and problems i can give because of my death 🙁

3- multi life forms around the universe, and multi universe for sure imo.

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Nice.

Not degrees of Kelvin anymore. The notation is the big K only. Anyways, quite an interesting topic. I'm also quite sure the technology will eventually get to a point where 100 years of life won't be the exception, but a rule. Maybe then we'll just start dying of pure oldness.

There might be even max age limits written in law in future..

Thanks for reminding me that my two years of interrupted Physics study at university was 15 years ago 🙂

Krakken's never die are you crazy woman. Deal with what?

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pfffft... don't take life too seriously, no one makes it out alive anyway.

Human life is a mystery, we are so similar to animals but still so different. We have had thoughts on after life since beginning and it's interesting that (if not) all civilizations believed in that in their own way. Sadly in recent times everything what scientists say becomes dogma, even if there is no scientific proof for that, for example they say we are different than animals in just one part of brain and because of that we believe we have soul, at end of body functions we die and that's our end. There are many things we cannot and won't understand, like how universe was made and why do we exist, agreeing that everything ends with death makes life meaningless. It's normal to see your progress and feel unpleasant about death because we have so many ideas and work to do and don't want to leave anything unfinished.

Hi M1chel

May I disagree? 😛

Humans are animals, not similar to, we are animals, mammals, primates no less. We just happen to have evolved a larger brain to survive, other animals evolved larger claws, teeth or just became larger, or smaller, flight... whatever gave them the evolutionary edge within their environmental niche.

This is fact and not in question.

Where science and say religion part is in what can be proved. If the existence of a soul could be proved, it would be science, It can't; not life after death, god etc.

Science will look at any ideas that can be disproved (this is how the scientific method works) but the existence of a god or soul or afterlife can't be disproved so science does not really consider them subjects worthy of research. If you could devise a method where they could be disproved then science would be all over these subjects.

These subjects are for people to deicide on faith. or lack of, alone. As I see no need, or evidence, for gods or an afterlife I "don't believe" they exist.

Others do, c'est la vie

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Nicely put.

All opinions are welcome 😃
It depends on interpretation and individual point of view, but you're correct about proving something, if an evidence would be found it would become a fact. For some things I don't think evidences can be found like particle of soul, what is it made of and what if it's not material? It's hard for religious people to describe something they believe in to someone who demands facts, for example one atheist friend asked me what is proof of God. I believe God exists but there is no formula or experiment to prove His existence, spirituality cannot be descried in scientific way otherwise it wouldn't be spirituality after all. We have animal roots, tell me which specie believes in something and is so corrupted to use it for causing harm to own kind but yet so magnificent to use it to bring peace? We develop weapons much faster than anything else, we want to feel safe but it's quite the opposite, which animal would do what we do to each other, to animals and this planet?

Good article. Good questions. I mostly agree with WHS on this one.

I have a question for those who believe there is an afterlife. What happens in this afterlife? How does it make life more meaningful than it is when we are alive?

I've always assumed the afterlife was invented either by those with a fear of death and not existing anymore (though why they should be afraid of that I don't know) or by those whose existence had been so wretched and miserable that only the thought that things would be better later could sustain them.

The general idea of the soul is one I agree with, but not heaven and hell, nor the notion of some ethereal supernatural being. Something makes the human being have the ability to think and feel emotions - a body can be kept functioning mechanically, but, once that "spark" of life is gone, it's just a shell, so the question becomes "is the soul immortal" or does that vanish?

Speaking of religions, it was mostly made FOR those whose existence had been so wretched and miserable that... 🙂

Like Hypatia's quote (at Agora movie) about Earth not having a divine perfect circle orbit "breaks heart", absence of an afterlife would break my heart as well. 🙂

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Relationships are what gives our life meaning - Love God and Love your Neighbour as yourself. That's what keeps the human race going. We are a social animal. Relationships live on after we die - people remember us; DNA remembers us in our children. Is God a scientist who sets up evolution and sends us messages about relationships to test whether this really is the Truth? Who knows ...

No no, I should stop you right there.. If you are in mood for this of course.. Why should anyone love some unproven vengeful sadistic entity? And believe in it at first place..

DNA remembers us??

No, he is not. If he existed, I'd say he's a maniac. But fortunately I can't.

I agree - an "unproven vengeful sadistic entity" would not be something that anyone would love. The God who is presented to us by Jesus is a God of love who wants wants us to recognize him and develop a relationship with him. Jesus's second command is that we should love our neighbours - that may be more difficult, but that is what makes humans so formidable: we pull together and help each other.

Well.. Looking at his actions, he seems very sadistic and vengeful.. I still find it hard how so many can believe in gods..
But. I do like that you care about others. I do like that a lot. We need more of that.
Just.. If I understood you right, you do it because of Jesus?

Interesting

Is the God of the Old Testament not the same God of the New? If yes then he is the "vengeful sadistic entity" we should loath.

Maybe a debate for another article though. 😛

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Definitely needs an article. 😛

Frank what was that about DNA?

I don't believe Creator intervenes much once setting universe with its rules. Rest is a temptation to watch what inhabitants of this universe will do.

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I like it

A thoughtful start to a life-long discussion.

Interesting topic...no you are not that old...I am way older than you (Playing games like this?) been around computer a very long time 😃

I think you have asked yourself the most important question that any living person can ask....and from the safety of a reasonable peaceful existence, when we are under threat our survival instincts jump in and we are not asking that question, we are answering it...survive at almost all cost....

Personally I am not troubled by death at all...been so close to it enough to look on it as something very familiar to me.....if anything troubles me about it....it is the possibility that there may be something after it....very unlikely I think....but what if?

I do believe that people in the not too distant future will live way longer than we do....but is quantity that important? I have seen people live lives that appear to me to be meaningless...is mine...maybe...

Good article....🙂

V+S+E, it's hard to see a so much interesting article inside this silly game.

I don't know what will happen after the death of my body, and I'm very afraid not of hell or anything such that, but the eternal and irreversible oblivion, the absolute nothingness that happens after death if materialists are right. You'll not be able to experience any sensation, to think about anything, and all your memories, feelings and ideas will be destroyed in this terrible scenario. And also you'll see your beloved ones being eternally destroyed

However, since there's (in my opinion) some problems with the physicalist conception of the mind. It's sure that a network of neurons can demonstrate learning and complex responses to different stimulus, but how can they develop a inner consciounsess, a "thing" able to experience the colors of everything we see instead of just responding and commanding the body?

This is called the hard problem of consciousness, and it's worth taking a look in wikipedia or other sites (they can explain way better than me). Also see about "qualia" (the philosophical terminology for these subjetive sensations) and "philosophical zombies" (a hipothetical being that for outsiders behave exactly like a normal human, responding as if have a consciousness, but lacking the ability to experience subjetive sensation).

So, maybe, only maybe, there's a "soul" that's separated from the cerebral, and this explain this hard problem. But even in this situation, it's not certain that there's an afterlife (this "soul" can be destroyed with the physical body).

Anyway, I believe the best way to cope with death is trying to prolong your days in Earth, through not only best health practices but also the study of things such biological causes of aging/diseases, medical sciences, robotics to create artificial organs, neuroscience etc. (currently I'm not doing so much in this field, but I read a bit about them).

(p.s.: sorry for my broken english if I did any mistake)

*"So, maybe, only maybe, there's a "soul" that's separated from the *BRAIN*"

Philosophy is nice. 🙂
Wow, I really disagree with you at the end and I think you are making a huge mistake. It's not the quantity that matters. It's quality. There is no use having a long life if you are miserable. Positive emotions and human interaction easily win over length. They mean so much more.
PS.: Your English is fine. 🙂

Of course his English is fine. He is a pony 😃