Hoe moet het verder met de Verenigde Nederlanden?
CreveRoeland
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Hoe moet het verder met de Verenigde Nederlanden?
Dat is de vraag die elke burger van de VNL zich de laatste dagen stelt.
De laatste dagen en weken bleek dat de Verenigde Nederlanden, in zijn huidige vorm, niet functioneert. Een klein overzichtje:
*De verkiezing van de rechters. Aan de hoeveelste poging zitten we al?
*Het beleid van de regering. Welk beleid?
*De onervarenheid van de Walen.
*De activiteitsgraad van de BP-leden. We zien enkel een klein groepje leiders. Waar zit de Franstalige bevolking?
En tenslotte: de BP die uit de regering stapt...
De problemen zijn duidelijk ontstaan sinds de opkomst van de Waalse bevolking. Ik zeg niet dat het allemaal hun schuld is, maar het blijft een overduidelijke vaststelling.
Hoe moeten we dit oplossen?
Er zijn eigenlijk 2 oplossingen:
1) Integratie van de Walen
Als de Walen écht in de unie geloven, kunnen we overgaan tot een volledige integratie. Maar deze integratie moet gepaard gaan met wederzijds respect.
De Walen kunnen niet eisen dat alle artikels in het engels worden vertaald, het forum moet niet volledig Engelstalig worden. Iedereen moet vrij zijn de taal te gebruiken die hij wil. Over de taal in het parlement kan gediscussieerd worden. Die kan Engels worden, al kan men niemand verbieden zijn eigen moedertaal te spreken.
Als de Walen écht willen integreren, moet er ook overgegaan worden tot een ontbinding van de BP. Deze partij is duidelijk een nationalistische partij. De BP claimt dat ze alle Belgen vertegenwoordigd, maar in wezen bestaat de partij hoofdzakelijk uit Walen die zoveel mogelijk macht proberen te verwerven om hun "legitieme eisen" door te drukken. Als de Walen zich zien als inwoners van de VNL (UNL) is er geen nood aan één "Belgische" partij.
2) Afscheiding van de Walen
Als de Walen zich niet als onderdeel van de VNL beschouwen, en niet volledig willen integreren, zit er niets anders op dan een afscheiding.
De oplossing is eenvoudig: een Resistance War in Wallonië. Dit kost slechts een kleine 70 GOLD. Bij onafhankelijkheid, geven we hen een portie BEF en kunnen we in de eerste weken de Walen voorzien van voedsel en andere noodzakelijke goederen. We kunnen hen ook bescherming bieden, binnen PEACE.
Dit plan moet desnoods uitgevoerd worden tegen de wil van de Walen in.
De keuze is aan de Walen!
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Which future do we want for the United Netherlands ?
That is the question that every citizen of the UNL in recent days asks.
In recent days and weeks, it's clear that the United Netherlands, in it's current form, doesn't function. A small overview:
* The election of the judges. How many attempts we have?
* The policy of the government. What policy?
* The inexperience of the Walloons.
* The activity rate of the BP members. We see only a small group of leaders. Where is the French-speaking population?
And finally, the BP who leaves the government...
The problems are clearly arising, since the emergence of the Walloon population. I am not saying that's all their fault, but it remains a clear conclusion.
How should we fix this?
There are actually 2 solutions:
1) Integration of the Walloons
If the Walloons really believe in the union, we can proceed to a full integration. But this integration must be accompanied by mutual respect.
The Walloons can not ask that all articles get an English translation, the forum should not be entirely in English. Everyone must be free to use the language he wants.The language in the parliament can be discussed. It can be English, although no one should be forbidden to speak their mother tongue.
If the Walloons really want to integrate, this must also imply a dissolution of the BP. This party is clearly a nationalist party. BP claims that they represented all Belgians, but in essence, the party consists of mainly Walloons to acquire as many power as possible power for their "legitimate demands". If the Walloons see themselves as residents of the UNL, there is no need for a "Belgian" party.
2) Separation of the Walloons
If the Walloons doesn't feel themselves as part of the UNL and not fully intend to integrate, there is nothing else than a separation.
The solution is simple: a Resistance War in Wallonia. This costs only a small 70 GOLD.
At independence, we give them a portion BEF and they can expect aid n the first weeks. We will send all the necesary products (food and other goods). We can offer them protection within PEACE.
This plan should be carried out even against the will of the Walloons in.
The choice is up to the Walloons!
Comments
misschien handig om dit in het engels te posten, zodat de walen, waar het tenslote om gaat, het ook kunnen volgen
heb geen zin om het te vertalen, zal een google vertaling toevoegen...
Roeland, ik ben het volledig met je eens.
Ik kan er niks aan toevoegen.
Op deze manier kan het in ieder geval niet verder gaan.
Je tirade is gebaseerd op de misvatting dat de Belgian Party en haar aanhang enkel uit Walen zou bestaan. Fail!
dit is geen tirade... Het is een realistische beschouwing van wat iedereen weet. De Vlamingen in de BP zijn gewoon "weggekocht"
We are not only walloon but come from all over the country.
@bicky most BP-members are walloons... The other members are just people who you convinced with some hollow words and they joint because the BP is a big pary; => their chance of getting 5 GOLD (congress seat) is higher.
Does the Dutch Reunification Movement will achieve his aim thanks to the Walloon ? No...
Does we want to be assimilate ? No ...
Does we want to be integrate ? Yes ...
As i have already said several times, Belgian people need a party to represent themselves into the eUNL. We are still into the merge processsus and when the merge will be complete, i guess this party will disapear... Our party is depending of the political actions of our dutch brothers.
But are the walloons yours brothers CreveRoeland ?
I edited the google translation. Think it makes sense now...
Si tu sais mieux que moi comment on fonctionne...
L'espion semble avoir quelques ratés.
Calomnie, diffamation et frustration.
mode creveoreland on:
And if only Brussels start a resistance war ? It could be the best as BPmembers are flemish and walloons...
mode creveroeland off.
you know what will happen if you start a RW in Brussels or Flanders xD
No, I don't know, but you can tell us... 😉
Even though the tone of this article isn't really appropriate in my opinion, the problems have multiple causes, there is a factor of truth in this. Does the UNL really work, seeing the constant differences that are about nothing more than the union itself. Do the citizens really want to stay in one country?
As we have always stated, the merger isn't something we force upon Belgian players.
Also, why are there these constant references to the `Dutch Reunification Movement`? As far as I can see, this is something from real life?
The aim of Creveroeland when he worked for the merge was to create a big dutch country. http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization[..]68663" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization[..]68663 That's why he didnt want us to start a RW in Brussels or Flanders. The merge wasn't force but was wanted first by IRL flemish nationalist. For us, we are in eUNL, but if there is an independance in the future, it will be the Belgium, whatever CreveRoeland want. But it's not the question, the eUNL is the reality, it's just to explain why CreveRoeland want us to start a RW in Wallonia.
CreveRoeland has long been part of the eUK together with eBelgium and has tried to run a successful eBelgium though it got threatened by a PTO. I therefore do not see what his real life political thoughts have to do with the game.
As for his opinion of an RW in Wallonia, he says that he doesn't mind an RW there but does when it comes to the other regions. And that's an opinion he has the right to have. Because you can't disagree on the fact that atleast most of BP's members, surely the active ones, are in fact Wallonian/French-speaking.
BTW, I realize that the likes of CreveRoeland, but also myself are a bit nationalist ourselves. Look here our hypocrisy. eFrance could also offer us in-game advantages if they annexed our regions.
I can all the more understand why activity diminished among francophone Belgians.
I have said this somewhere else too. But I think it is wise to repeat it here again.
It would be better to leave this country instead of wanting others (that want to stay in our united nation) to leave. I say this harsh words against those people who think the solution will come by making Wallonia free. It seems that those anti Wallonistic people do not care about our constitution neither about equal rights, neither about the rules of eRepublik. Maybe it is best if those people will start a resistance war by themself to have a nice independent Flemish region where they can live together happy talking Dutch with their Dutch brothers and sisters who also do not like to live with non Dutch people. Some of you already have gold and BEF, so it will be your paradise I hope.
I think that is a more fair solution, because the majority of our nation do want to live in a real United Netherlands.
As for the government, from which I am the premier, it will work to strengthen our society and it will work to improve the rights and possibilities of our citizens. The governments believes in the merge and believes in their program which is approved by an overwhelming majority in the congress.
Correction btw:
I sai😛 "but it's stupid to deny the fact there is no Belgian culture."
I mean't that there is such a thing like Belgian culture, not that there isn't. Culture isn't static and Belgian culture is something that is created and exists, it's only realist to accept that.
That's why I understand that there was/is a wish to highlight the fact the UNL is in fact a union between Belgium and the Netherlands, or a confederacy or whatever.
You don't have to be a belgicist to realize that you are Belgian, whether you like it or not.
Belgian culture just also has changed considerably whereas it's more diversified.
UNL actually makes me think of Belgium in a way. Haha. 🙂
my opinion:
The difference between online flemish people and online ducth people is very small...
But the difference between Walloons and a flemish/dutch is large. You can't deny that.
Lets not stoke the fire, we dont want a war between Belgians and Dutch under any circumstances. Both nationalities would lose far more than they gain, and lets not forget we have a border with Sweden now.
ik heb ook geen zin om het te vertalen en dus ga ik ook in frans spreken : TU SAOULES !!!!
BP PP even responding in french.. like this, the language barrier will always exist
@Jazar : "I therefore do not see what his real life political thoughts have to do with the game."
CreveRoeland : "The difference between online flemish people and online ducth people is very small..."
I hope that as president of the United Netherlands you wont have sympathy for flemish nationalist players and far-right flemish players who just want a big dutch nation and want the walloons to leave our country. 😉
2de optie lijkt me dan de beste, want ik denk niet dat de Walen zich hier ooit 'echt' zullen laten gaan tot een integratie.
@ThomasRe😛 Real Life political thoughts have no place for me in eRepublik so don't try to link them to me. In this game I could just as well be president of North Korea wanting to attack South Korea, wouldn't make any difference.
@Cocoamok:
> anti Wallonistic people
I think it's wrong to label everyone who is unhappy with the union and is Flemish/Dutch as anti-Wallonistic. You don't need to be anti-Wallonia to not be happy with the union or with the Belgian party and this is stigmatizing.
I don' want to link you with IRL politics, but you cannot refuse to see CreverRoeland's aim as it's just a game.