Hello Pot, I'm Kettle
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by Dishmcds
During the Local Elections, which occured on the 20th of August, early in the morning Erepublik time we all saw a thread released on our forums calling Alain Bates of the TUP the biggest "discrace" of a Party President the UK has. They criticised his appointment of Angelfeather, who was winning at that point in the London elections, as a poor choice.
Angelfeather won the elections, and what he will in fact do with his position in London remains to be seen (after a week he has managed to sign up for the forums, but hasnt been active there, so what his plans are really arent known at this point), but London has run well due to the efforts of expected and former Mayor Stan Wephen, along with Squiddy (if I saw correctly), who has been TUP's support for London. The point is that even before the election was halfway over, the TUP was allegedly the worst run Party in the UK, according to the senior and high ranking members of the PCP. Before Alain could even explain his decision, he was branded the worst citizen in the UK (and a disgrace, as I said).
Now, let's fast forward to a couple days ago.
Nick Appleton was elected to be the Mayor of Liverpool over CBall. During Nick's campaign it was suggested that there was some sort of coalition which was untrue and CBall, a senior member of Government himself posted an article defending himself. At that point, the PCP was all apologies about the direct attacks, and Nick won the elections fair and square, which we all expected Nick to be a great Mayor (as he has been very active and is an intelligent person to say the least).
Then we move on to RCP Elections, which Frufru delayed stating that we needed a UKRP candidate, which honestly we felt we didnt have a suitable candidate for that particular position, as our elected Mayor's mostly said they didnt have the time to fill those roles. They eventually went on without one, and Nick Appleton was elected as Regional Council President.
And now he has gone completely AWOL. Yet I dont see any other party out there calling KIA a disgrace, nor saying that the PCP has directly endangered the functionability of the Regional Council and all Mayor's (considering the RCP control's the budget for all Mayor's).
So, Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. You claim all the other party members from TUP, the UKRP, and the like have resorted to personal unbased attacks, yet won't even acknowledge knee jerk reactions such as this. So, I ask, where is our PCP member Regional Council President? Widdows has had to take on the additional responsibility of asking for and distributing NHS budgets, which we all thank him for. We all have work to do regionally, so where is our PCP RCP?
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Dish. Shut up.
Nick was active before he was nominated by KIA.
His disappearance was unexpected by everyone.
Angelfeather was not.
His no-show was expected by anyone with an ounce of common sense.
To be fair Dish you can never guess when someone will go AWOL and comparing Angelfeather to Nick is a bit ridiculous. Nick campaigned, Nick was active on the forums and in game and on paper compared to the other RCP candidates he was the best and I think that was blatant when Chris Kit, admittedly a bit late, voted Nick over himself.
Oh and thanks for the recognition Dish, sometimes I think people forget what I do for this ecountry...
\"Nick was active before he was nominated by KIA.
His disappearance was unexpected by everyone.\"
We of the old TUP Guard call it pulling a Ste93.
IP, You shut up. I was comparing the fact that you blasted someone prematurely whilst not even recognizing your OWN PARTY MEMBERS disappearance.
And you claim other parties do nothing but personal attacks. So once again, Hello Pot, I\'m Kettle.
Well I would blast Nick for disappearing, only he\'s not here is he, so that\'d be kind of pointless.
Attacking KIA for a decision anyone would have made is stupid.
Enjoy your trollish propaganda anyway... While we continue to sort things out.
Look at FD\'s post referring to Ste93 who was a great mayor, RCP and really active. He disappeared one day out of the blue, it happens.
The fact is that Nick campaigned for mayor, Nick was active on the forum and game and Nick was a viable candidate. For all we know he\'s in hospital after being run over by a bus and is desperately trying to get to a computer to sort out the RC. Fact of the matter is that comparing Nick and Angel is completely pointless as they are completely different.
I am glad all you gentlemen feel at home with one another as equals.
Actually Dish, theres a huge difference
Angel Feather was inactive when put forward by Alain.
Nick was very active when put forward by KIA.
Is this actually about Nicks disapearence, or is it about you finding any old excuse to critisise PCP?
I wasnt. I was pointing out this
IP, wouldnt if be more effective if you said something like:
\"Dish, I will continue to aimlessly blast anyone who is not PCP affiliated for anything I percieve as an injustice, which in my book is non-PCP related by telling them to shut up, and refuse to admit to doing anything wrong. Furthermore, we will not remove, replace, nor punish any PCP member in the same manner as we would any other party simply due to party affiliation. Thanks for your concern, but our views of what is and isnt best for the UK lie only within our party, and we will not listen to anything anyone says outside of those parameters.\"
\"you blasted someone prematurely\"
It wasn\'t really premature at all was it? He hadn\'t been campaigning, wasn\'t active on the forums and hadn\'t even published an article with any content in his paper.
One week on and he has only made a single post on the forums(\"Hi!\"), still hasn\'t published an article in his paper. I don\'t know if he\'s taken over the NHS programme yet, but he\'s not really cutting it as mayor of 462 citizens, is he?
Dish, how the hell are we supposed to \'punish\' someone whos disapeared
Can i just point out that as a party we had elected Stan to be our candidate, and then AS A PARTY elected Nick. Nick then went AWOL, with no precedent set. Thats like blaming my entire party and KIA because my internet is down, or because my computer crashed....
To state that we only look to benefit our party is ludicrous. Take a look at the food market. What price would a \"free\" economy dictate our price to be? Surely as little under the competition as possible to maximise profits. And yet for the good of the country we try to bring the prices down. The PCP have listened to many people outside the party when they are being constructive and actually offering advice. FD being a prime example of this in my opinion.
Also can you get over a simple spelling mistake please?
Dish, I will continue to blast anyone for anything I perceive as an injustice.
I\'ve only spoken about things that I feel are wrong, such as your overuse of media to continually slander and bend truth and Alain\'s terrible choice of London mayor.
Note that I\'m perfectly happy with the way most UKRP & TUP members are moving forwards, with Squiddy & Rayf being good new additions, and funky becoming much more active.
anyone with an ounce of common sense will know the difference between Nick\'s vanishing and Angelfeather\'s \"barely existed\". Unless Dish is astonishingly stupid he knows the difference too which means he\'s just trolling. Ignore him.
😁 This is more like it. (from Rayf)
Address of problem, proposal of solution, well put.
Rayf - if you think that RCP roles could be changed, post about it in Public Discussion or get a congressman to post in the HoC about it.
Then something might well happen, works when I think something needs to change anyway.
@IP: Except if they\'re in your own party. Thats apparent.
From the apparent turnout of PCP members in the comments section, they seem to be missing the point. The point isnt comparing Nick to Angelfeather. I actually said Nick seemed to be ready and intelligent for his duties. The point is that whilst publicly criticising one person for their decisions and not to another simply because it\'s bad press for your own party takes away your ability to claim that \"everyone picks on us\".
And I\'ve written what, 14 articles in a month? Is that overuse? I\'d hardly think so, considering I normally write once per day yet have been unable to. Raef and Co have done outstanding in their own rights in organizing the Party, Funky will be a fantastic President should he be elected, and we\'ve taken away your only true criticism of the UKRP by actively changing our potential Congress to be much more active. If you\'re going to run an entire campaign based on that, then you hardly deserve control over the government.
Not to mention you\'ve brought up a minister on charges of breach of duties, yet Nick Appleton until today remains the RCP, while he has been inactive since elected. He hasnt done anything beyond accepting his Mayor duties.
\"publicly criticising one person for their decisions and not to another \"
There was valid grounds for critisising Angelfeather being put forward, but not for thhe Nick being put forward, whcih is why comparisons were drew.
\"If you\'re going to run an entire campaign based on that, then you hardly deserve control over the government.\"
We aren\'t, and if thats all you think we have done thus far than you\'ve been totally ignorant of all campiagining.
\"yet Nick Appleton until today remains the RCP\"
This is being resolved
\'If you\'re going to run an entire campaign based on that, then you hardly deserve control over the government.\'
If you\'re going to run an entire campaign on pointless articles like this and mud slinging then you don\'t deserve control over government do you. Oh and I think you\'ll find I\'ve taken over RCP until Friday when there will be another vote.
Oh and we\'re running our campaign about ourselves and our own policies instead of ripping into other parties without providng a decent alternative. Oh and I hardly think deserving control over government is based on ripping into opposition parties. It\'s based on policies.
Oh and I don\'t know what your basis is that Funky will be great. He\'s got no governmental experience. I think he should get a ministerial and congressional term under his belt then go for it.
@Bob: The concern was that he went inactive. Not today, not yesterday. Yet nothing was done about it. As I stated (twice now), Nick seemed fully capable, but when he went inactive right when budgets were being given that would be a time in which someone in charge should step in, no?
And lo and behold, magically we have a decision as to what solution to take. It only took how many days?
\"And lo and behold, magically we have a decision as to what solution to take. It only took how many days?\"
Did you ask your congressmen to raise this for discussion then?
Dish, it took 3 days (which I think is a fair amount of time to give someone to come back active in) before I did something and the day after came the decision. Not a huge amount of time and everything is under control.
@Widds: Yet it took 8 hours for Alain to become a disgrace. Doesnt seem to work in the same time table, does it?
After a month of neglect as a mayor himself, I think that\'s a perfectly justifiable time-scale.
That said, Widds is running it until Friday, where they\'ll re-elect if Nick\'s still missing.
i know what it feels like to be criticised for no reason - just look at how the media blew the whole \"Investmentgate scandal\" out of proportion
Dish likes to Troll and reads the Daily Fail, it inspires him.
>Dish likes to Troll and reads the Daily Fail, it inspires him.
Quoted for Irony.
> Quoted for Irony.
Quoted for actual irony
>Quoted for actual irony
Quoted for SUPER MEGA AWESOME irony.
making lots of friends in the UK dish?
I\'d actually never heard of Nick Appleton before the recent local election and I\'m sure that the PCP must have had at least one other member more active and well-known than him. I don\'t know the full circumstances of who the other potential PCP candidates were though, so I\'ll assume that his appointment must have seemed like a good idea at the time.
Thankyou for understanding the situation Alain.
Dish, this is too far.. why do you do this?
Fair enough, you want to change e-UK politics for what you beleive is the better... right?
Do that, and do it well.
But do it properly.
Don\'t make an article that\'s based on something that no-one could have predicted.
Tim09 said it best - no-one could have predicted his inactivity, as he was active pre-election.
And can we take a step back and look at the damage caused?
London - an inactive mayor..467 occupants. That\'s a huge amount of people that have been stripped of a mayor.
Liverpool - 90 citizens. It\'s a lot of citizens for sure, and they need an active mayor.. but I\'m guessing this is the main reason there hasn\'t been an uproar...because of the scale of possible damage being much less.
if only eAmerican politiks were this spicy. We need you back Dish.
@Skinny: As with most of the other PCP members, your missing the point.
The article was written comparing the outcry that one received, and the lack of outcry the other received. No one could predict Nick not being active after the elections, but isnt his disappearance as the Regional Council President without an appointed VP a little more important than simply a Mayor of Liverpool? Not to mention the Weapons Union and whatnot, he actually spans more responsibility than that of the \"90 citizens\" you list. The criticism should be the same. If you\'re (as in the PCP) going to treat one in X fashion, you need to treat the other in same fashion.
Yet most of the PCP can\'t seem to see what treating this instance as \"Oh let\'s just move on and forget it\" looks like.
Actually we\'re all going \"Where the hell is he? What\'s going on? etc..\". You\'re comparing outcry over an active party putting up new account for control of lots of citizens vs an active long term active account going awol immediately after being elected. The first one is purely in-game, the latter one may or may not be.
A couple of quotes from you:
> No one could predict Nick not being active after the elections,
> And now he has gone completely AWOL. Yet I dont see any other party out there calling KIA a disgrace
Are you suggesting that we should all go \"KIA is despicable! How dare he! The cad!\" because of something no one could have predicted?
I\'m sure you\'re not. You\'re a logical and sensible fellow and that would just be plain daft now wouldn\'t it? So this outcry we\'re all supposed to express must be directed at Nick himself.
Fair enough. If he\'s buggered off without telling anyone then it\'s outrageous and I share your disgust. On the other hand he may not be around due to his internet dying, being in an accident or his parents suddenly passing away. In which case jumping down his throat would make you a bit of an arsehole now wouldn\'t it?
Oh and Dish he was in the process of appointing a VP when he went inactive. It\'s not the prerogative of PCP to do that, it\'s the RCP. Alain, Nick was more active than you on the forums at the time and on here, it\'s through your own inactivity you hadn\'t heard of him.
Widds helped me and I sent the funds, everything is under control.
\"No mayors were harmed during this term.\"
Widds helped me and I sent the funds, everything is under control.
\"No mayors were harmed during this term.\"
@Biblin: Actually, none of this article was directed to Nick himself. It was a comparison, as I\'ve said TONS. I\'ll say it again.
If people, particularly the high ranking PCP members themselves are going to be so quick to claim:
1. Public outcry for things they think affect the UK negatively
2. The poor me, no one lines commies excuse
3. Holding anyone to \"the letter of the law\" including expelling ministers for punishment for rules which contain gray areas
then..
You have to do so to your own members without bias as well. This is being treated by more than one person within the PCP, including ministers and the like as \"nothing to see here, please move along\" but when someone else messes up it has to be addressed publicly. Wondering if he\'s alright is one thing, which I hope he is. Not taking the same action to make sure his duties are covered simply because you want to allow him time to return is another. Clearly biased.
I would hardly say giving someone three days to return is unfair.
I can see what you\'re trying to say in regards to the outcry thing but I think you\'re missing the point. We were justtified to attack Alain regarding Angelfeather as he didn\'t campaign, wasn\'t registered on the forums, and yet he decided to appoint him as a candidate for mayor of London? That\'s not responsible party leadership.
Whereas Nick WAS active, he\'d campaigned, he was active on all parts of the forum, he was active on here. He was the complete opposite to AngelFeather. KIA was more than justified to put him up as mayor. We then as a PARTY, so it wasn\'t KIA\'s fault, decided he would be our RCP candidate. He won with a 100% of the votes. Even one of the other candidates voted Nick ahead of himself.
So the reason why no one is calling KIA a disgrace is because he was justified as choosing him as mayor. Anyway I\'ll admit after the 2nd day of his absence I should have stepped in but I was a bit busy at the time with MI6 etc. so I left it on the hope he\'d be there tomorrow. He wasn\'t so I did something about it. The RC will hold a re vote tomorrow. But I\'m not sure who the PCP candiate will be...
I think what dish is trying to say is that if nick was in someone elses party the PCP would be accusing and roaring their heads? tell me if i\'m right or wrong at what your trying to say?
if so pls say so i may comment further
@Cheeseball: Thats exactly the point. If that was a UKRP member, the PCP would be roaring, claiming they\'re the only party that has any idea how to run a country. Don\'t forget we\'ve got three members who have done so before, to the PCP\'s one.
@Widds: Glad you see the point, and my article was hardly about Nick. I know he was active, and I never said that KIA should be called a disgrace. I merely stated that with the outcry other parties receive from PCP members over decisions they dont like this one should have been publicised and criticised just as much. I know Nick was a good candidate before, I know Nick was active before, and I really do hope that everything is alright with him and he returns. It was the situation rather than the person.
Yes but the situation was different, a lot different. As KIA\'s decision was correct, in my opinion, and Alain\'s was at the very least questionable. Therefore the reaction to that situation should be different and that\'s why it has.
And trust me, if Nick had have been exactly the same person, execpt with UKRP ideals, and was in UKRP, then I would not have had a go as I would have understood why he was chosen as a mayor. And I\'m not lying there, after all you know me Dish 🙂
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\'@Cheeseball: Thats exactly the point. If that was a UKRP member, the PCP would be roaring, claiming they\'re the only party that has any idea how to run a country. Don\'t forget we\'ve got three members who have done so before, to the PCP\'s one\', i thought that might be what you were trying to say, however, I don\'t believe you are correct, if the situation was the other way arround and your mayor had of been very active like nick then I don\'t think there would have been an outburst straight away but I may be wrong. The point is this isn\'t the case and until it happens we will never know, and if we ever put out a total new guy who hasn\'t even joined the forums, well there\'d b a piece of legit ammo.
I don\'t know why you\'re all arguing and defending the idea that Nick\'s absence was unexpected, that\'s not what this is about. Yes that\'s a fair and valid point but at the same time, no one even lifted a finger to put the blame on anyone.
Also, if you were so concerned about London and AngelFeather, you would have started criticising BEFORE he started winning. (This is pretty much proof of the fact that no one, including Alain thought he had a hope in hel of winning so I don\'t know why such a big fuss was made over it. Yes it was a mistake, but much like with Nick Appleton, and I will now quote SBJ as he puts it rather well, \"No one could predict\" what happened. It was an anomaly in the system.)
@ Squidy How can you lift a finger to blame someone when there\'s no-one you can blame? There\'s not always someone to blame as is the case for nick, but it was a mistake of Alain to put up Angel and that is possible to blame, that comment is not an attack, i\'m sure Alain as you said didn\'t expect it to happen and it was unfortunate, however there was a fault and therefore blame for that fault.
\'but much like with Nick Appleton\', but that is the point squid it has no relevance, it is un-comparible as they are two totally different situations. Angel was preventable Nick was not preventable, that is the difference that dissallows blame to be used in the situation of nick unless he comes back and says yeah i din\'t feel like playing then and then i\'m sure we\'d all have a good rant at him, but as tim09 said we don\'t know the situation and therefore can not blame someone for they didn\'t have a hand in it.