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aunq un poco escuetas las respuestas, parece q el CP andaba apurado o queria ir al baño

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Muy bueno

Votado y suscrito hace rato...hombre de pocas palabras el CP Bulgaro 😁))

¿Cual es tu opinión sobre el nuevo MPP Indonesia-Serbia?

Fue un error del presidente indonesio, pero estoy seguro que será arreglado el mes próximo. Alguien se creyo que fue 1 error??

Haha, mas que nada fue 1 respuesta a su inconformidad con la alianza respecto a Brasil

Nadie se cree lo del error, los indonesios son muy soberbios, pero un CP no puede decirlo tal cual.

No se si soberbios, pero claramente está disconformes por el acercamiento de Brasil a CoT, lo que me parece entendible. Cada cancillería debe ver cómo mover sus piezas, ya que aunque siempre hablemos de "fraternidades" la verdad es que eso siempre es un factor que cada país intenta volcar a su favor.

No se si soberbios, pero si una respuesta que marca una tendencia. Lo renovaron cuantos dias antes de que se termine?? 12-15? Los Indos estan claramente disconformes con como el HQ de CoT favorecio siempre a Brasil (un alineado por en definitiva un no-miembro).

Fue una movida muy inteligente de parte de Indonesia.

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Atenerse al estatuto? Bulgaria habla bien de Brasil, Chile la prefiere sobre Indonesia, y esperan que este país siga sus reglas cuando es relegado a un segundo plano por un no miembro de su propia alianza? Lo de error no se lo cree ni él, y salvo por cambios drásticos no creo que Indonesia siga las políticas que le manden desde CoT, nada tiene contra Serbia, y si que tiene sus rencillas con Brasil.

No se puede meter a países a tu alianza que tiene problemas con países ya miembros, el intento de reclutar a Brasil sólo va a provocar más a Indonesia, de hecho Indonesia ya no tiene motivos para jugársela por CoT considerando las cantidad de rws que les abrió en su momento Brasil y donde figuraban búlgaros y chilenos pegando.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkOUUiAgB1o ayudandole a sentir

Muy vivo, calculo que tenes experiencia con eso no?

Si bien entiendo el argumento y de hecho me parece bastante acertado para explicar el "error" de indonesia, dudo que no existan conflictos internos en una alianza; incluso lo han visto hermandades como Spoland últimamente; la función de los otros miembros es poder conciliar en estos problemas que dejan de ser multilaterales, en donde Chile incluso ofreció arriendo de las regiones para que Indonesia no tuviese problemas, pero no fue bien resuelto. P😨 yo pegué a favor de Indonesia, pues me parecía una mariconada por parte de los cariocas.

As you say, the issue was not well solved between Brasil and Indonesia, and lets be clear, this should have been a priority for CoT HQ because it reduces its overall bargaining strength.

I am not saying that there was no effort by CoT, I am just saying they failed in that objective. Managing an alliance with so many members is difficult, one of the problems that EDEN suffered as well.

Una alianza siempre debe mediar entre sus miembros para que no haya conflictos, pero Brasil no es un miembro, estar en esa posición a de ser denigrante para Indonesia.

Desde que metieron a Usa a la ecuación tuvieron más daño de movida pero todo se preveía más difícil a futuro. Lo bueno es que con Usa como miembro full Brasil parece querer ingresar, pero si ocurre esto nose bien que pueden ofrecerle a Indonesia que la motive a seguir; más cuando con movimientos como ese es más que probable que estalle el conflicto con TWO.

Ya llegaron los hombres rana opinólogos.

Aprendimos de los mejores, aquellos que estuvieron cuantos meses borrados?

Buenas preguntas, por desgracia las respuestas fuero austeras, y algunas carentes de autocrítica y lógica...

La raja Pescaman, superándote cada día con tus artículos y entrevistas, votadísimo!

No han pensado que todo esto se soluciona expullsando a usa de cot?

Aunque USA me causa desconfianza, creo que expulsar a un miembro por presiones de otros países hablaría mal de la alianza, por lo demás es iluso pensar que eso va a borrar el ataque de Polonia a Rusia o la petición ciudadana del mismo país por atacar la mina de oro chilena... tu propuesta es una solución parcial, pero no total; dudo que "los dueños del mundo" estén dispuestos a hacer un gesto de similar magnitud para que el problema esté resuelto realmente.

Naxxo, no es cuestión de presión de otros paises, si no de relaciones diplomaticas, es como si se juntan 2 grupos de amigos que se llevan bien, llega un tio nuevo y se dedica a pelearse con el otro grupo, obviamente no pueden salir juntos, es simple lógica y si al grupo al que le pegan, sigue saliendo con el otro grupo y toleran eso.. dime tu que clase de personas son xD. Lo de Polonia Rusia es una excusa barata, le lanzais 1000 veces de unirse a COT y pasan, vamos a por china, no a invadirles y arman la de dios (¿sabiendo eso por que no va USA y macedonia a por china?). Lo único que veo asi es lo de chile, pero fue en un momento de tensión y han sido palabras, no echos

Alex the reason CoT is in the current position of weakness its because you tend to come back to the past while TwO is working for the future in the last 4 or 5 months. USA is an argument not the reason TwO mpped Romania and stopped having direct fight with EDEN.

It is true that if USA had come back to EDEN and EDEN block kept their strength they would still be the target of TwO. But with EDEN's defeat it was clear that TwO would chose the new target, and the new target was CoT.

A lot of people (including me) predicted that when CoT started to get more powerful than EDEN you would have to change the way you look at the game strategically, TwO did that. CoT did not, and despite on paper, the principles upon which the alliance was created being much closer to EDEN than TwO, the fact is that TwO is likely to get a large chunk of the key EDEN countries in their ranks.

On the contrary CoT did just that, it strengthened itself.

"and despite on paper, the principles upon which the alliance was created being much closer to EDEN than TwO, the fact is that TwO is likely to get a large chunk of the key EDEN countries in their ranks. "
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That's because EDEN never actually did what it preached, that's why it was the most hypocritical alliance ever existed. Something we've been telling like 1 million times and something you and the people like you denied fiercely.

But hey you being a portuguese should know better than that, for how many months you were without a congress while those "key EDEN countries" were fighting for the N-th bonus and region.

Being a Portuguese and wiped for so long allows me to look at this from a much more independent perspective than you wild.

The fact is, EDEN, although at the time the shift of power had already occurred and CoT/CTRL/ONE and afterwards CoT/TwO had much more damage than EDEN (no worth discussing if it was 70/30 or 65/35) they still fought for Portugal for various months and we had congress for a couple of months.

The problem is that when you fought for congress in Portugal you would loose Ukraine, Albania and the Netherlands or viceversa. Because none of these countries would be able to hold regions after the days they had full support from EDEN and EDEN did not had the damage to keep on fighting for every simple country of the alliance.

The Portuguese older players understood that we could not request support from EDEN every month because for Portugal to have congress, a lot of countries of EDEN would loose theirs (including later some of the large ones). We do not forget that although Portugal was a very small country , there were months were Portugal loosing congress was priority number 1 in TwO & CoT. And of the two, the one we found strange to take that position was CoT, since your alliance includes countries in very similar circumstances than Portugal, and it was odd why breaking Portuguese spirit was so important to CoT. So we do hold a bit of a grudge for CoT doing that, probably more Bulgaria than Chile.

So, we had circumstances when we believed that EDEN was not coordinated enough to provide us the support we had planned but overall we do not complain about the support we got. It was a lost cause and we needed a paradigm shift in order to have a chance to be free again. And that's were EDEN failed, in understanding that the solution of resistance they had found only worked for some countries and not for others. It was a difficult decision for all.

Portugal recruited new players and with new players came new ideas and we ended up leaving EDEN not because we do not recognise the support but because we no longer believed that the solution EDEN HQ came up with fitted Portugal or Portugal was able to help EDEN maintaining themselves in the alliance.

Despite being outside the alliance we continued to help Greece, Croatia and so on. It is not just me, its the large majority of the Portuguese players.

No one in Portugal is happy with the agreement we made with Spain, including the people that signed it. But we did not saw any other options that would generate change. CoT never wanted to create solutions for us, quite the contrary, you were as much part of the problem as Spain.

Now we have an agreement with Spain, which is objectively a bad agreement for us, but it was the agreement we could get. And we will try to the best of our abilities to improve it and to honor it (at least that's my position).

Supplying solution for countries like Portugal was never the focus of CoT and that's the reason why you will loose a lot of them to TwO in the dancing chairs game. And only if TwO is dumb (which they generally are not) or they get too powerful to need to grant room for smaller countries, these type of countries will turn to CoT for help. The help they needed you never gave them.

The problem is that when you fought for congress in Portugal you would loose Ukraine, Albania and the Netherlands or viceversa.
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I stopped reading here. In fact EDEN has been really succesful on Ukrainian congress now 2 months in a row when there is almost no EDEN left and without Romania, so your arguments make very little sense.

EDEN did not had the damage to keep on fighting for every simple country of the alliance.
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But obviously had the damage to fight for bonuses 24/7 . Obviously it had the damage to fight for Argentinian empire, or Greek and Turkish empires etc etc 😃

The Portuguese older players understood that we could not request support from EDEN every month because for Portugal to have congress, a lot of countries of EDEN would loose theirs (including later some of the large ones).
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Actually the larger ones started losing congress when there already was noone else around. When they threw that many allies under the bus not caring at all obviously their turn came at the end too. Absolutely the same thing happened before with ONE alliance. It's been a slow but steady deterioration of EDEN over the months thanks to the policy I've described above, a policy which you've denied trying to depict EDEN as something everybody knows it isn't 😃 And now when all the cards are on the table it's even more than obvious.

since your alliance includes countries in very similar circumstances than Portugal, and it was odd why breaking Portuguese spirit was so important to CoT.
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Actually it's a little bit odd why a country like Portugal would restlessly fight over and over again for Argentinian empire in S. America, so for me you have zero reasons to complain.

Wildrunner, first my comments do not intend to be propaganda. I do not hate CoT, or TwO. I am from a small country and normally a small country would be much more inclined to an alliance based on the principles CoT is built than an alliance like TwO. The problem is that CoT always acted like a tool of TwO rather than having its own will, and if that hard to ear, I am sorry but you cannot change the past.

Lets move for your arguments

1 - The reason why EDEN is able to defend better Ukraine today than 5 months ago is because they do not have so many small countries to defend today, and/or CoT/TwO are not together in attacking Ukraine. If CoT/TwO wanted to wipe Ukraine they would have done it irrespective of what EDEN might do.

2 - Well, you saw the Greek, Turkish and Argentinian empires crumble quite fast, when CoT/TwO decided to attack. And please if you want to argue with me about these subjects keep logic in what you say. When Greece, Turkey and Romania were wiped which EDEN countries had left ? none (maybe Ireland in the case of Turkey). Do you want to argue that it was the lack of Irish damage that made Turkey go down ?

The war between CoT/TwO and EDEN was the most unbalanced period in Erep for more than 5 years. The game has been essentially boring for the last 8-9 months with no real balance in the fights. The only fun battles are when TwO gives limited support to CoT and the fights between CoT & EDEN get even.

The strategy of CoT/TwO to break EDEN was to attack the small countries in order to make them leave EDEN. Not for lack of support but because of irrespective of the support when you had all CoT/TwO hitting against you you do not have the change to have congress. Btw while you were hitting against Portugal together with TwO, CoT countries like Japan and Korea were also wiped and what efforts CoT made to free them ?

However those countries resisted to leave EDEN mainly because they had no option. So you moved to the larger ones and it was no different while CoT/TwO attack together.

3 - Portugal for sure fought for Argentina, but that was when Bulgaria attacked core regions. Portugal is not a big supported of the expansion strategy of some EDEN countries (btw Argentina when created the Empire was in TERRA). I respect a lot the Chilean community for the way they were able to evolve and fight back but Argentina is our ally and when they get attacked we do our best to help them irrespective if we are wiped or not.

In conclusion in miss the point of my message. If you want to attracted EDEN countries to your cause you better talk to them without prejudice. If you continue with your rumpling that EDEN is the devil and CoT is just a poor alliance which brilliantly defeat them you will have most of them in TwO very soon and you will see what is an unbalanced world from the other side. Personally I do not want that to happen.

The problem is that CoT always acted like a tool of TwO rather than having its own will
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That's absolutely not true, CoT went on it's own way. If you can't see this then I dunno what we're talking about.

John Bokinski, when CoT started it was just Bulgaria and a few small countries and few people believed this alliance would survive anyways. And we fought for congress every month trying to survive under the massive slaughter by EDEN which made the small then CoT it's enemy number 1. We actually grew up from a much much more disadvantaged position than EDEN which was still a giant back then and which deteriorated over the following months.

Do you want to argue that it was the lack of Irish damage that made Turkey go down ?
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In a sense yes. When the sense of unity was lost in EDEN people no longer cared.

The strategy of CoT/TwO to break EDEN was to attack the small countries in order to make them leave EDEN.
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That was 2's strategy, CoT however has fought against Argentina, Greece, Turkey, Romania most of the time, all of them really small countries. 🙂

CoT countries like Japan and Korea were also wiped and what efforts CoT made to free them ?
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A lot. And finally thanks to USA they got free. That's why USA deserved it's place in CoT.

John Bokinski, as you an see CoT is absolutely calm and solid and it's doing it's things with reason, it's 2 who are in a hurry and are histerical and doing mistakes on the run. The Romania thing has already split 2 in half and they are like 6 countries there, not 15 like CoT. 🙂

Mi excusa es tan barata, como haber omitido opinión cuando USA era trial member (ya que los mpp estaban establecidos igual) y ahora sentirse traicionados; a veces los hechos concretos son antecedidos de palabras o actos menos relentes, si no los valoras, es responsabilidad propia no haber dado lectura de estos, pues son parte básica de la diplomacia, hablar antes de actuar.

Cuando era trial member nadie se esperaba que los aceptaseis y mas con lo que hacían, por eso mucha gente confió y no hablaron tanto como ahora, pero molestar molesta desde el principio

Cuando era trial-member también hubo quejas, pero todo el mundo en TWO pensaba que en COT tendrían 2 dedos de frente y no meterían a los yanquees en la alianza....pero nos equivocamos.

Es decir que la firma de un MPP por parte de Serbia-Rumania, es una acto de traición, pero meter en COT a un miembro, como USA, enemigo de Serbia...es una acción de una alianza independiente. Menuda HIPOCRESIA.

cuando estaba USA en CTRL no había problema no?

que no había problema? por algo CTRL se rompió