Govt Clarifications to DPI-EC doubts about eCDP
Suvajit
As one of the oldest member of the eCDP/Retention Team along with Hemanathankumar, I think I am quite eligilble to clarify the doubts raised by DPI-EC on the program and hence this article.
Things you need to know: The eCDP/Retention Program was started about 3 months back. It was started on the insistence of King Hannibal of Asia and had been sponsored by subsequent Governments. The main objective of the Program is to help and educate new players joining the game by supplying them with food and weapons, the two most important items required by a newbie to grow in the game. Another objective is to educate the players and retain them in the game during the initial days when we lose maximum number of newbies to boredom and confusion and make the player an active and responsible citizen. The Program is sponsored by the Government and is supervised by the MOIA as the main sponsor but it is managed and run independently.
The Program has undergone a lot of structural changes from the time it started when I used to head it, in an effort to make it more efficient and plausible and also to rectify some of the practical problems we faced in the course of time. But even then as I have always mentioned in my articles about the Retention Program we always welcome new ideas and new players in the team. The program has had its share of prominent members, with a couple of CPs like Prabal and Hemanathankumar being its distinguished members.
Now to clarify some of the doubts raised by DPI-EC:
1) DPI-EC : Storage is an issue to the food dispatcher because, currently there is only one dispatch officer and he has to store all the govt food stock! So, if the responsibility can be shared, (ie., more food dispatch officers can be appointed) it should not be a problem and also another alternative is they can just be allocated funds from the budget instead of food; Oh, wait...we don't have a budget!
Plan (a) - Govt buys food and gives food to dispatch officers, weekly or so, depending upon the quantity of food to be dispatched?
Plan (b) - Govt allocates funds to the food dispatch officers, monthly - They can buy food (whatever quality, just go for the cheapest!) from the market and distribute to the newbies.
Clarification: Let me do a simple mathematics here for understanding:
The program dispatches 300wellness to each newbie every day and on an average the number of newbies supplied is 15 or more. So in a week, the program on average supplies:
300X15X7=31500 wellness
Taking into consideration that only Q5 food is being dispatched, the number of food to be stocked is:
31500/10= 3150.
If we take 4-5 dispatch officers, the amount of food to be stocked by each officer is:
3150/4= 788 or 3150/5=630 Q5 food
The Program started with a team of 4 Dipatch Officers but the problems that we face
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(i) Other than old and elite players few have enough storage capacity to hold that quantity of food. This is magnified by multiples when we consider lower grades of food.
(ii) Also we have seen in the past that all the dispatch officers are not able to dispatch supply with same efficiency. In some cases we had only one dispatch officer supplying the food whereas the others have not been able to do so due various RL and ingame responsibilities. In such cases the one officer who is regularly supplying, finishes off his stock real fast and then we have to wait for other officers to supply or take back the stock from them and redistribute it to the efficient officer. This is a very practical problem and we have seen it happening time and again and hence we shifted to the present system of one senior player with enough storage capacity capable of supplying all the newbies.
(iii) Another problem that we faced when we tried to employ newer players in the dispatch team is that since the food stocked is Q5 they tend to use it up for their personal consumptions as most new players produce Q1 or Q2 food themselves and by in game dynamics the Q5s will be first used for consumption. The production capacity of the newer players is also not enough to substantiate the Q5 food they consume from the stock and hence leads to mismatch.
(iv) I will clarify about the idea of giving money to the dispatch officers to buy food themselves in the next point.
We would like to have some feasible solutions to this problem and we welcome new ideas that can be implemented on this. As such without it, we will continue with the existing system. I would like to mention over here, that there will be some technical problems when there is handover from one dispatch officer to another and hence we may observe some days when supplies may be discontinued but on average the supplies had been distributed to most players on most days.
2)DPI-EC -Govt : He sells the cheapest Q5 food, so we buy all the food for eCDP from him.
DPI-EC : We don't have any problem as of whom/where you buy from, but dispatch should be made fairly regular. Also, I believe it would be very much meaningful to see tenders being invited for the same(assuming, you are going for plan (a) above!) - tenders for govt buying q5 food from citizens in a large scale. We can have multiple food sellers/sources and hence, more alternatives(in case one of them fails!) Also, please note that when I say tenders, I meant articles in the eIndian media and not forum posts, obviously because not many are active in the forums and besides, this is no top secret BS!
Clarification: As I have mentioned earlier, the program is run independently and is sponsored by the Government. As such, the process that we follow is , we take prices from different players and decide on the lowest price offered and the final validation and negotiation is done by the Government who pays the supplier. So actually the concept of tenders is already in place though it’s not implemented via an article but is done through IRC.
As Hemanathankumar rightly pointed out, contrary to the what claimed by DPI-EC the program takes supply from more than one supplier for example Navincharles and Vishnu Kandeepan.
Now I will also explain the problem of supplying money to Dispatch Officers here. As I have mentioned above since the program is sponsored by Government and the final price and negotiation is done by the Government, this process of supplying money to multiple officers and multiple point of validation is not feasible. Also this may lead to multiple prices all of which may not be the best offered price and may lead to the breakdown of the system.
I like to point out here a very practical problem which is faced by the team members. There are few players like Hemanathankumar, Commius who have consistently stayed and contributed to the team and the program from its inception (I have to admit that even I have drifted from my active duties in the program in the recent times). In fact these two guys have performed the herculean and commendable job of running the program alone in the last couple of months along with Maverick as the lone supplier. So the idea of articles as Tender, though seems very attractive to us, but may not be feasible taking into consideration the workload to output of the process.
I think Troj4n20 has also joined the team and it will be great if he can take over this responsibility and fructify the idea of articles about the program and tenders.
3)DPI-EC -Govt : Prices might fluctuate drastically, sometimes...so, it is necessary to cling on to a reliable q5 food seller!
DPI-EC : Prices don't fluctuate for no apparent reason. During a stable run of an economic cycle, if govt dispatch officers start buying from the eIndia market, demand for cheap food increases and gradually supply too will increase and the prices will drive themselves down(slowly but surely!). So, when you(govt) know we(eIndia) are going to get wiped out(usually, govt gets to know before the citizens do), gather all the q5 food stocks as much as you can for the cheapest possible prices and keep them aside for eCDP newbies.
Clarifications: The solution to the problem is not so simple. Food prices or in fact any Article prices do not come down through sustained procurement from the market. The only way to bring down food or any article prices is through lowering of raw material prices.
As for the idea of a reliable supplier , it has been witnessed that only 2-3 players offer the best prices to us and hence we stick to them as the process is smooth and efficient.
4)DPI-EC -Govt : Where can we find food dispatch officers ?
DPI-EC : Finding dispatch officers should not be an issue as far as I know, if team MOIA gets to work! Ideally, the MOIA should closely follow the free food dispatch thread in forums and guide the newbies who all register on forums for free food. If a newbie has gone that far(ie., register on forums for free food!), just assume that he is here to stay and under all circumstances he should be retained!
Clarifications: We are strictly against the idea of offering salary to Dispatch officers. This is because the eCDP/Retention Program is a philanthropic program and not aimed to increase the earnings of the dispatch officers. Also just giving salary doesn’t guarantee that a dispatch officer is going to work efficiently and on a long term basis. The basic requirement for any player who wants to join the team is feeling of voluntary service and nationalism.
Also MOIA officers cannot act as dispatch officers as ideally the MOIA officers change every 30 days with change of government and hence training and educating a fresh batch of Dispatch Officers every 30 days will be a big problem.
As I have already mentioned, this program is run independently and is only sponsored by the Government. This is because, one of the basic foundation on which this program was started was that this program and hence its members will not try to influence or control the decision making of any of the newbies that is in the program. As such it was vital that we maintain our distance and independence from any kind of political alliance.
5)DPI-EC-Also speaking of MOIA, we have seen no updates from them so far...which leads us to 3 possible explanations.
there is nothing to update at the moment (or there is no work to do?) - All izzz welll!!!
they are too lazy(to retain new guys?) - go garfield! \m/
"they have too much work to do(Shakti = hoc + moia) ?" - I understand he's more than eligible candidate for both the positions separately, but is he capable of doing justice to both ? HOC need not publish article updates every week(as most of the work that needs to be done is in forums) but MOIA, I believe needs to publish updates(weekly, if possible?)
Yet again, speaking of updates, we have not seen any updates from any of the cabinet ministers(you dead?) so far(or may be they are publishing invisible articles!) Only, Commius(Minister Of Finance - MOF) did , that too after someone prompted him for that in the public grievance cell(if you did not already know about PGC, please click here!!) and many of my questions are still unanswered!
Clarification- Updates are to be provided when there are actual events in the nation.
The duties and workings of MOIA and HOC are largely similar and hence Shakti is the best suited person for these two posts.
Updates will be provided to intimate all eIndians by respective cabinet members. Like Commius who has already published his article about his department, similar articles will be published by all ministries. If you see, the MOD has already started the practice of Daily Battle Orders which was discontinued under past governments.
I hope this provides some clarifications on the doubts raised by DPI-EC. Just to finish off, the Retention Program/eCDP is quite a complex process and we always welcome new ideas to make the system better as it is a process which will adopt itself to the changing needs of the game and the country. We also welcome new members to come and join and actively participate in the program , though not for any salary please.
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JAI HIND
Suvajit
Vice President of eIndia
Comments
This article of mine is not as colorful as my other articles as it is already long and i dont want to set a erep record on writing the longest article : P
I will read the rest later when I have time, but during my skim through my eye caught one thing.
I just want to point out that daily battle orders was not discontinued under my government - we just used another method which in my opinion was more flexible. That's all.
Longer critique coming up when I have time to analyse it properly.
i can be a dispatch officer i got ~20k storage deposit, i dont need any salary.
@troj4n20 the program was never a plan to get votes, it was sponsored by david ( who was the head of the AHF at that time).
Its not proving rite or wrong in what we are doing.
Its about taking the RT team successful, even if we are not around for some reasons.
RT team that functions now, is not because of one man idea.
We discussed on tat, and then finally came to solution.
Initially we planned to have multiple dispatchers. but since Mav agreed to take dispatch on his own, we agreed to that. he was doing gr8 job until last week when he got busy with RL.
So far we are trying our best to feed the newbies as quick as possible.
As far as the multiple dispatchers and tenders are concerned, I have told my opinions.
I never said it was ahf's plan to get votes...but if you are looking to patent it or something...then i would refrain from all this stupid time waste discussion and do something else useful! : )
I would not mind being a dispatch officer if this plan is govt's(uninfluenced by external factors!) and you guys are ready for multiple dispatchers, multiple suppliers with transparency in bids for suppliers - o7
I will try my best to come up with an alternative solution in near future to this problem and i really hope, i succeed and prove you otherwise in a few aspects!
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i,ii - storage is not an issue if liquid cash is allotted instead of food
ii - What is moia team doing or what has it done so far, tell me ?(now dont tell me there is nothing to update regarding that!)...so, we thought it would be better to give them some work...
if they(moia team) aren't to be trusted with govt funds, then who are ?!
iii - just another justification why we are buying q5, okay : P
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- problem with transparency issues ?
- why cant govt invite tenders in media ?
- well my issue wasnt with a single guy supplying or two guys supplying...i said we should have enough number of alternatives/suppliers...
-like i said, i dont have probs being a dispatch officer
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- rm prices will go down with govt handing out inr loans etc, wont they ?
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"hence its members will not try to influence or control the decision making of any of the newbies that is in the program" - ???
"As such it was vital that we maintain our distance and independence from any kind of political alliance" - agreed!
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no one reads iaf news these days and i really see no point in publishing battle orders...i fight as per my mu(IAF - official eIndian mu) orders...
and regarding ministers and all, i will talk about them later...: )
Transparency in this program? we've got no time to sit and dispatch the newbies and you want us to write you articles about them? like what? about the members in the eCDP or the amount of food bought and the amount of food dispatched and all? how the heck would that even help the public? "Transparency is only an issue if it affects the public, were not gonna put out everything we do here, its a school, were not publishing text books in the newspapers, we give links to the newbies on how they are supposed to play the game, give them food and guide them on how to play the game if they got stuck in a certain point."
If you wish to be a dispatch officer your glad to be a part of it. The present system isn't perfect we all know I've mentioned in the forum too when the plan was proposed and still there hasn't been a solution on how to solve some issues, plz catch up to those in the forum,
"e& ii - What is moia team doing or what has it done so far, tell me ?...so, we thought it would be better to give them some work...if they aren't to be trusted with govt funds, then who are ?!
The dispatch officers are doing their best in order to dispatch the people, we have a lack of man power and a timezone difference in the game. People don't have enough time to dispatch "there ain't time to stand and stare".
The reason why the orders are published are to give an order to the MU's, an MU is a part of the eIndian defense, it must obey the gov's orders under critical circumstances, that's what unity means, if you focus yourself on the MU and forget about playing it for the country then its of no use, regardless of the MU you must fight for the country and its allies.
@troj4n20- heh? I dont understand ur first comment..when and where did i mention RT is an AHF idea???? I mentioned it was started under the initiative of King Hannibal of Asia which is a fact. Which part of this statement implies it is patented by AHF???U r doing too much conspiracy theory dude..time to relax : P
On a serious note i mentioned that the program has been and will be run independently with the government as the sponsor. One of the basic idea on which the program was started was that its member and hence the program will never try to influence the decision making of any of the newbies and hence the program will be as apolitical as it can be and hence it will have no connection with any political body which includes the government. This is a basic ethos followed by all RT members and i think this can be vouched by many newbies that have received RT dispatch till now.
U are always welcome to join the team but the program will not deviate from its apolitical nature and hence it will never be a government program or undertaking but it will always be an independent and free initiative sponsored by the government.
For information the AHF has a separate dispatch program which has no link to Retention program and neither does RT endorse that program. So please stop too much thinking when its not required man : D
And about ur Point 1,2,3,4,5 in the comment section- I have mentioned in the article that we are looking for best solutions for the dispatch process and we are looking forward to new ideas. The ideas suggested by u in the article were all tried and failed because of the reasons mentioned in this article. This article is not meant to be an one upmanship effort but an analysis where the problems are and trying to get solutions for them.
Ur point 2,3,4,5 are already clarified in the article. I know its a long article but please read it fully before commenting : P otherwise this borders on trolling..lol.. : D
Relax dude..this article is meant to highlight the effort and thinking behind the Retention program and inviting new players and ideas to the program. This program is running with a fair degree of success and we can name a lot of new players who are its beneficiaries including our former CP Alector...so mate bring on table some new ideas that we can implement...o7 : D
rd
you don't have time for this game and you aren't in sync with the recent developments too, i understand - rather a blunt and brutal character sketch...i know : P : D
almost, all ppl fight as per mu's orders for bazooka's and energy bars...so if mu commanders can be updated(through mass message threads), that's more than enough as the mu members would go as per the commanders orders in mu. Publishing articles would just be an extra and unneeded effort as no one reads iaf newspaper these days. If the govt wants to do that i don't mind that...and also iaf is the eIndia's official mu and not a private mu...so where ever we fight, we are most likely to fight as per govt's orders.
by transparency i mean, not just the quoted prices and all but the govt should give a fair chance to everyone...publishing about tenders in media and as i ahve mentioned before...thats all! and also the head of moia needs to update not the entire team writing articles and updating bullshit - i mean, no time waste! Updates are important because the public has a right to know, your argument on the other hand seems to me that you want an ignorant public in a govt...great plans, that tells me a lot about you!...bye gn o7
"Which part of this statement implies it is patented by AHF??" - not you, rd said it in some other article
@Justnosfe-Welcome to the Team Man...we always welcome new members with open arms and someone with kind of experience as u deserves a red carpet : D ....
Again welcome to the fraternity Bro : D
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"The ideas suggested by u in the article were all tried and failed because of the reasons mentioned in this article"
i would like to experiment myself...o7
I will try my best to come up with an alternative solution in near future to this problem and i really hope, i succeed and prove you otherwise!
Okay, okay, stop quarrelling.
Suvajit's clarifications are sound, but trojan has some very good points.
What we need is a stable plan implemented. We all learnt from the delay in dispatch recently that there needs to be back up in place too.
In my view RT is going nowhere atm, particularly with the over-reliance on maverick. Suvajit, you mentioned a RT team? Lately, I have only seen maverick and Hemanathan during dispatch. I know it is hard enough to dispatch to an entire newbie community without delays, but this is why we need a new structure - one that can accommodate any problems that might cause a delay.
I admit I may have overlooked this during my term, but the problems were not apparent then. Now they are, instead of quarrelling lets at least do some constructive discussion, and forget AHF.
@Trojan- RD is a founding member of the Retention Program/eCDP.She made a lot of contributions at the inception of the program. Check out the forum link below for more info:
http://forum.erepindia.com/index.php?topic=525.0
And to ur views about u experimenting..well mate we who have been in the program from the beginning had done it and experimenting wont help this program and this is not a test case for one's pleasure..as mentioned by you yourself u have seen lots of Retention program go kaput in the past..we are not gonna let it happen to this one by experimenting for one's understanding..
U are more than welcome to join the team and as i mentioned in the article implement ur ideas about tender through articles as well write other articles on the program..to be honest the team is very short on stuff right now and writing articles on tenders dont make sense as i have mentioned in the article since we are doing it in IRC..but u are always welcome to join the team and do it..but the program wont change its ideologies to accommodate anybody and if u want to join , it will be as part of the team..
@Alector-The program is independent of any government and it functions in the same way irrespective of whether its ur term or someone else's term. So its not about problems being not apparent in ur term or being apparent in someone else's term. Its the same in everybody's term. It has been the same before ur term and will be the same after ur term too.
For general observation, this is the very reason why we have always maintained Retention program/eCDP independent of any government. And when i say we i mean the Retention Team lest u make another comment on me meaning the present gov. And this is the specific reason why we will always maintain Retention Program independent of any government in future too. As the Retention program will never become the propaganda of any gov or any political party. Sad to see some people are trying to do just that for petty 15 secs of fame..
Why is the government dealing with RT right now then, as it did in an official position in previous terms. Hell, Prabal even included the RT team in his cabinet. I included RT in my manifesto and no-one raised any objections?
It may have started being independent, but gradually it is coming under the control of the government, intentionally or not.
The structure is flawed atm - it needs improvement as it is in its infancy atm. You say tinkering won't help? Actually it will - better to start thinking about improvement rather than sticking with beta stage. It's better in the long-run.
@Alector- The gov is never "dealing" with RT..The gov is the sponsor of the program..and as the sponsor MOIA has right to ask the progress report from RT..pls read the article for ur info...neither has the gov under prabal nor under u nor under anybody has included RT in the cabinet..i was the MOIA and that was because i was heading RT before that and hence have got extensive experience in it..for ur information i resigned from my position as RT Head/Moderator when i became the MOIA and passed it onto hemanathankumar to maintain this independence...but i think u were too new at that point to know about it...
I have no problems with improvements..please read my article again..i have asked for ideas for improvements..i have problems with "tinkering" and "experimenting"..players who have never been part of the program or team should listen to logical deductions and views mentioned by players who have started and been with the program from inception and not want to "experiment"and "tinker" with it for personal egos..
I also have objections to u stating the structure is "flawed"..firstly u have never been part of the team or program to even know how it functions and on which premised it had been bulit..Secondly u urself is a large beneficiary of the "flawed" program as u mentioned it whether u want to accept it or not..cos as i remember u were one of the first recipient of the program's dispatch..
First become a part of the program to know what the program is really all about before u make ur sweeping comments.. without knowing it its like blowing smoke in the wind..ur comments have no justifications...
By 'flawed', I mean that the current system does not cover for delays. Hence it needs revision.
Plus you just contradicted yourself about 'tinkering'... this is a comment directed to trojan: 'And to ur views about u experimenting..well mate we who have been in the program from the beginning had done it and experimenting wont help this program and this is not a test case for one's pleasure..'
Thirdly, here is a link to Prabal's article. Note he said he would look for ways to improve it. That implies that he also thinks RT is under the influence of the govt. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/my-manifesto-as-a-cp-1875027/1/20
guys, stop bitching! this is pointless, i see 2 sides here.. usualy when there are 2 points of view smart men (and by that i mean MEN(therefore stop THE BICHING)) sit down have a beer after the case and discuss, when 2 horses with equal strenght pull in the oposite directions none of them will reach his destination. so i urge you settle this like men by logic and common sence...!
If we WANT A STRONG INDIA WE NEED ALL THE HORSES TO PULL IN 1 DIRECTION!! the ones who bitch about it, only want power forthemself.
OK, KUmar won the elections what the other side can do is : SUPORT him and THE goverment for a STRONG INDIA and prepare for the future campaigns to come.
India Is at the end of the list of the strongest Erepublik states. WE NEED ALL YOUR DEDICATION TO MAKE THINGS CHANGE FOR THE GOOD, in stead of fightning among ourself for nothing!
I have confidence in all of you or elce i wouldnt care about all of this at all.
o7 Suvajit, I'm here to help.
sorry for the "flawlles" post i`m a bit tired, had a cpl of beers and i cant stand good ppl fightning.
Ok, justnosfe.
Remember that PM I sent you, Hemanathan, Suvajit et al?
This point 😁^
suvajit - I have no intentions of meddling with govt's rt now...am pretty much disillusioned and clear in my objective! I would start my own experiment, a side project parallel to rt...and also, you were right "experimenting for egos" while i started only for the betterment of the system, anyways pointless talking about that now. Alector joined the game to stay, even if the the rt had not intervened, he would have stayed. If the govt wants me to help, i will help...but that will not stop me from my side project. I am not here again to bitch about anything...just clarifying a few things!
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i thought the retention team was Ashwamedh's initiative
@sharry- Wrong as usual : P
@Alector- U can think whatever u want..not gonna bother to reply from now on..its waste of finger excercise.. : P
@Nagaprathyush- I want to say something to u outside this article and these comments
A leaf blows in the direction of the wind..A mountain stands against the wind..a leaf withers and dies..a mountain stands for eternity..a man is like a mountain..i thought u r my friend and a man..we have had conversations beyond these recent articles which made me think that..u know what i am referring to..hope that u dont prove me wrong.
Ok, Suvajit. Ignore logic if you wish.
Trojan, you're still a man. Don't worry.
@suvajit i think it was before u were eborn
it was the retention team where 2 guides were given to every newbie..
it was not the retention team where ppl used to tell I DID THIS, I DID THAT, I WAS THE LEADER OF THE RETENTION TEAM..
i loved that retention team..
because no1 used it for their publicity..
i use ur previous account that got banned was also given alot of food by that team..
i can be wrong in this statement but definetely not in the above ones
As usual Alector has to comment on everything : P
Its between him and me...for ur "clarification"
And i am not ignoring logic..i am ignoring you..lots of difference : P
Trojan, you're still a man. Don't worry. +10000000000000
hail Trojan
lol a guy who u writes article on others to proof he is right is ignoring bcoz he this time he doesnt have any reason to prrof himself right
hail Alector..
yes u can ignore me too..
but i dnt care..
afterall u said i didnt do anything for India
@sharry- Yes u are wrong about my previous account that got "banned"..as usually u are on most things..so i dont have to explain regarding that..but just for arguements sake pls mention my previous account's name that got banned..and if u want to make it personal then bring it on man..i am raring to go..i have tons about u..
On Ash's RT..of course he may have and maybe it was before my ebirth..but for ur info i am talking about this RT and there were many RTs started by many people before that..so ur mentioning that in this article proves what u really are- A Troll...
And yes i do alot of publicity about the Retention Team and i will continue to do this..cos that is one program that requires a lot of publicity because of its nationalistic nature which strangely is lacking in u..
and man lastly learn to take a lose sportingly..it will help u in real life too...learn to take it with ur chin up..rather than bitch like a girl
And as for what u have done..ehhh...last time i remembered u wiped us out in the hands of Pakistan...so i never said u dont do anything...u do a lot of things..all of them leads to getting us wiped out...
Not mine or sharry's problem.
In my opinion, you made it personal first.
We know who the real winners here, so, sharry, trojan, chill. Let him rave.
@Nagaprathyush- My Mistake man..shudnt have written that here..shudnt have expected a private communication between two guys to be respected by trolls...
u dnt want to explian me bcoz u know u r wrong..
so plz dnt cry over it
And yes i do alot of publicity about the Retention Team and i will continue to do this..cos that is one program that requires a lot of publicity because of its nationalistic nature which strangely is lacking in u..
then y did i always see UNDER MY LEADERSHIP THIS HAPPENED, I DID THAT
thats publicity abt u not the retention team..
i guess its bcoz u r standing for the next cp elections
hell yeah it was in my term India got wiped out
n hell yeah it was in my term India was on the map
so cry as much as u want
il help u in ur real life dnt worry..........
Sharry, chill. No need to aggravate it further.
We know who won this.
u made it personal..
u said u will write an article against me..
i told u write and called u a COWARD also but u didnt reply..
then u said I DIDNT DO ANYTHING FOR INDIA..
and now u telling i m making it personal
i m just returning ur favour
if u have a problem with it better keep it with urself..
sorry alector but i love speaking my heart out..
maybe thats the only similarity between me n u..
if i really want to accuse the govt then i can do it through my articles..
i told every1 from yuuva to vote NO for impeachment..
that time no1 said anything bad bcoz i was with the government..
n now i bcum bad for doing this..
hell yeah i m loving this..
Sharry... right now you are joining hands with alector... Never expected this from you sharry... I am really disappointed to hear such back to back comments from you too... Making an idea constructive is only so if said in a positive tone, it does not sound so if its on an agressive tone... I fail to understand constructive methods otherwise...
Sharry, tell me on thing... All over your posts in this you have only posted about stuff which does not encourage or ideas in a postive way... Tell me in what way will this help?? Do u think this will help this cabinet in any way?? I DO NOT THINK SO... Please try to do something constructive Sharry... Dont fall for the prey... Ppl like you , Prabal and a few others can make a big difference and this is not the way... Think about it...
@navin i did things for India..
every1 does
then why is suvajit accusing me of not doing anything for India..
was it bcoz of me that India got wiped out?
all i commented was a reply to suvajit who thinks m always wrong..
And I'm disappointed to see you think I'm against progress, navincharles. My term was geared towards progress.
Look back through my updates if you don't believe me.
i have somehow managed how to look at the positive side of things(you guys protecting eIndia etc stuff and stay in good terms with iu), however yesterday i broke my own rule - because you guys were back to digging the same shit from the past again - if you did not know, i have buried my past myself and came here as a new character - i was different back then, only a few knew me bback then(there were no debates, only fights!)
i could have accused ahf/iu for everything that has happened(in a span of 2 yrs, you achieved nothing! infact, the eIndian community back then was better, though it had its own faults) when a few weren't around here...
ppl(not like me, but much better than me!...mr.dee, vigi, arjaaaine, jackjack, cockroach...these are just a few among a lot, ppl with ideas, the ones who knew how to think for the betterment of entire society) quit because of helplessness; they were eventually fed up of the stupid iu/ahf bs propaganda and calling the rest as unpatriotic or something(while iu/ahf stole all the credit - i still ignore a few characters for what they have done - i dont hate/dislike anyone anymore!) and constant bikcering that went on in the forums...
i came back once in dec or earlier last year(actually i was asked to make a comeback - when we were getting wiped again) to see if anything has changed...no nothing, the same shit again and i quit again...
for ahf/iu, eIndia seems to be the virtual pieces of land and you say that proudly that you have protected eIndia etc...factually speaking, i dont think eIndian security(as you see it on the map) is worth it when the population itself is withering away...the pseudo patriotism in you(when you implicitly say patriots and friends ie.,iu&ahf stay, others gtfo of eIndia) will only harm the community...i don't know if you can see that or not, but if you really like eIndia...you should quit doing this...
in the end all we awnt is a better eIndia...but the way of thinking that your way is the best and the others are all shit and calling the supporters of other ideas/perspectives as enemies of eIndia or public enemies(like u guys terming sharry or alector or me) is not the right way to deal with things...
there is no good or bad, only right or wrng decisions...that we get to know once we made a decision...and its perspective dependent, so i cant argue with you anymore...pointless really...gn