Good news! Flausiono won the elections in Bulgaria
mihail.cazacu
On May 3rd I was discussing with several Bulgarian friends about their two main presidential candidates. All my readers know I worked since 2009 to bring Bulgaria on EDEN's side and that during the Bulgarian-Turkish crisis I put a lot of energy on keeping the Bulgarians in EDEN.
So the reason why I was interested in my Bulgarian friends' opinions about the outcome of the May 5th elections should be obvious. I wanted to know if the next president would be good for the overall goal of bringing Bulgaria back in the pro-EDEN camp.
The Bulgarians were surprised to hear that I would prefer that Flausino becomes president. I was surprised they were surprised. I thought it should have been obvious why Flausino was better than Windfall if the goal was to convince the Bulgarians that quitting EDEN was against their best interests.
The myths which guided the Bulgarian decision to quit EDEN were:
1) "We can get even with the Turks for the 500 years of slavery by defeating them in a computer game. As a bonus, Vasil Levski will come back to life if we wipe out Turkey". That idiocy can of course only be cured with specialized medical treatment. Fortunately it only motivates approximately one Bulgarian player out of five. So there are 4 sane Bulgarians for each nutcase who wants to fight the Turks to death with a mouse in hand. Also fortunately most of the people who share those "values" voted for Flausino. So now Flausino needs to prove his resurection skills or they will be very disappointed;
2) "We cannot win a war against Serbia or Macedonia but we definitely can wipe out Turkey". When that didn't happen for two months in a row who was there to blame? The "incompetent leadership" of course! Flausino on the other hand can do miracles with his credit card. Now that he is in charge Turkey will be wiped out. If it isn't then those people who thought Turkey is roasted in the oven as soon as he becomes president will be extremely disappointed as well;
3) "We want to be part of an alliance where we finally have the leading role". Chile and South Korea won't challenge Bulgaria's leading role in the newly formed alliance any time soon.
Poland, on the other hand, might not be happy with Bulgaria supporting Russia. Serbia and Hungary might also have a thing or two to say about the Bulgarian priorities. But hey, Poland, Hungary and Serbia are not in the same alliance as Bulgaria, are they? And if anybody can handle subtle diplomacy needed in the current circumstances, that is the astute diplomat Flausino.
As a general rule, people tend to stick to their decisions. This is why even bad decisions are abandoned only after a lot of energy was wasted trying to make them work. It is hard to give up a bad idea as long as there is still hope a miracle would somehow happen. So the Bulgarians need to also try the Flausino "solution" before coming to the conclusion the war with Turkey is a indeed a hopeless ping-pong.
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damagehood is damagehood, rest is tl dr
wishful thinking more than anything else. ; )
True words. Nice reading. ; )
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reason turkey has had some success in this war is because whole eden has become a dmg donor to turkey in their war vs bulgaria and you know that, mihail. but i really wonder for how long you'll keep "sacrificing" yourselves just to "prove a point", ; )
@Mihail
"We can get even with the Turks for the 500 years of slavery by defeating them in a computer game. As a bonus, Vasil Levski will come back to life if we wipe out Turkey"
Don't become the biggest hypocrite in the game. I understand your propaganda and what you're trying to achieve, however do it without invoking RL, because you were the one that for 1 year were trying to convince Bulgarians they need to fight Turkey for RL reasons.
true story
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@ goolem:
tl;dr
"too long; didn't read."
1. The inability to accept, understand or pay attention to information when not separated by a header.
2. The ability to arbitrarily read 400 small posts but not a long one.
3. A sign of ADD or lack of reading capability.
4. A very cheap response and an indication of lack of wit.
5. 90% of the time: A lie.
6. A desperate attempt at a comeback used by people who just can't think of one.
Main reason Turkey has had success is cheating, it is enough to see presidential election results of last two months for both Turkey and Bulgaria while both countries had 6 K baby booms.
The result is:
Bulgaria +400 votes
Turkey - 600 votes
I think it is self explanatory.
true 🙂
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@eDarkAngel:
It made sense to fight Turkey _2 years ago_, when they had about 600 players. _Back then_ it was possible for Bulgaria to go all the way to India. _Back then_ it made strategic sense to use the Real Life arguments in game, because using them brought victories. Easy victories. Victories which kept people motivated.
It makes no sense to use the same reasoning now when fighting Turkey gets nowhere. The war will only lead to disappointments. Unilateral disappointments.
"before coming to the conclusion the war with Turkey is a indeed a hopeless ping-pong. "
and u say this after Romania-Hungary, Croatia-Serbia, Greece-Turkey, Greece-Macedonia?
Stoich +1
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well said
Bulgaria has over 1k active players more than Turkey, Mihail and during the day from 100 to 200 people online more than Turkey, but of course you know that. Too bad the API isn't working so you can see the real difference . You also know of course that whole Romania is fighting for Turkey so Turkey can have some success in this war and it won't get wiped. For that reason Romania, Croatia, Greece get wiped regularly. And as the time goes by that difference keeps growing and growing.
Question is can you keep up or you're trully that desperate to believe that by fighting against us you'll bring us "back to the pro-EDEN camp"? Bulgaria wants Turkey and it will get it, now or in an year it doesn't mater, we're patient people, more patient than you are for sure. ; )
@eDarkAngel:
The Turks don't give a rotten fig on the Bulgarian rivalry. They don't need that war to keep their players interested.
The problem is your baby-boom was based on an ad which showed how Turkey backstabbed Bulgaria while Bulgaria was wiping out...Serbia. Your babies came with the underlining idea they will get to kick both Turkish and Serbian butt.
So you will have a serious problem if the war with Turkey goes nowhere and the war with Serbia never starts.
@mihail
No, it did not make sense then to use the RL as part of propaganda it does not make sense now either.
Just leave the RL out of it and do your thing. It is a game, "the result justifies the means" does not apply here.
Unlike your propaganda back then, EDEN did betray Bulgaria in the same way and with your propaganda now, are just reinforcing the reason why we should never associate with EDEN again. Because as soon as it "stops making sense" we'll be ditched as we were.
failed propaganda ..... Turks making camels look smart since 1120!!
@mihail
No, our BB was based on a story on the 20:00 news on the most popular TV station in the country. While Turkish supposed BB was based on a lie, that Bulgaria was attacking Turkey for Serbia, because it had voted for independent Kosovo.
Just leave RL out of it and don't you dare for a minute try and portray Bulgarians as xsenofobs. I've had enough of this hypocrisy.
The problem is your baby-boom was based on an ad which showed how Turkey backstabbed Bulgaria while Bulgaria was wiping out...Serbia.
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Now you're making things up. This is total BS of course.
@Wildrunner:
Romania, Croatia and Greece get wiped out because the current balance of power is similar to that of one year ago, before Turkey joined EDEN. It makes no difference to their situation if they are allied only with Turkey or only with Bulgaria. Their situation can only improve if they are allied with _both_.
As for why Romania, Croatia and Greece are fighting for Turkey, that should be obvious: the allies fight for each other.
i only hope Bulgaria can set up the new alliance quickly. XD
The Turks don't give a rotten fig on the Bulgarian rivalry. They don't need that war to keep their players interested.
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This is yet another lie being repeated over and over again. Turkey has over 30 Bulgarian speakers who regularly read our press and give reports to turkish goverment about what is going on in Bulgaria. And that's since years. For country that "doesn't give a rotten fig on the rivalty with BG" that's quite impressive I must say. ; )
As for why Romania, Croatia and Greece are fighting for Turkey, that should be obvious: the allies fight for each other.
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Hehe, question is however how come Romania gets wiped out by Hungary who is equal in power but Turkey is the only one standing while it is weaker than BG. We know the answer, you know it too. ; )
@eDarkAngel:
How did EDEN betray Bulgaria? Bulgaria wanted Turkey out of EDEN, which was a stupid request. The Bulgaria signed MPPs with ONE and attacked Turkey. What were EDEN's other options?!
@Wildrunner:
The banner you guys used was an animated gif showing how Bulgaria invaded Serbia, conquered it and then was attacked by Turkey.
Here it is: http://www.roonex.com/erep/erepublik.html
I never make things up.
@hoverge
We will, despite EDEN's best attempts to stop us.
@mihail
No before Turkey changed sides, all 3 were on the map, Croatia had colonies in Mexico and Romania had colonies in the Baltic. Bulgaria was fighting mostly successfully against Hungary and Poland, had recently help delete Serbia and Macedonia.
Now TEDEN is standing on Turkish bots, and millions of accumulated currency during the months of domination, which ironically Bulgaria did not accumulate.
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@Wildrunner,
I guess when Mihail said "The Turks don't give a rotten fig on the Bulgarian rivalry. They don't need that war to keep their players interested." he meant RL.
I must say that in the game most of the Turks don't want to play that ping-pong game with eBulgaria. It's clear that none will dominate the other one. Sometimes eBulgaria will gain some eTurkish regions, and sometimes vice versa.
You see Mihail, Bulgaria can exist and be srong and populous without being an empire or even without the need to be in the stronger alliance, Turkey however can't. Turkey's gonna die slowly if it's not an empire, because that's what keeps their players in the game, and it's already obvious, when the war started BG and Turkey were equal in active players and power, 2 months later things are already different. And EDEN cannot afford to sustain a turkish empire, you simply lack the power.
So what you're gonna do now? You'd hope that by fighting against us like madmen we'll go back to EDEN? Good luck. ; )
@Wildrunner:
Actually Romania is now well above Hungary in terms of power. So Romania can be wiped out only if at least _two_ countries attack her. In our case, those two countries were Hungary and Poland.
Turkey has only one strong neighbor, so the only way to wipe them out would be to have 2 big countries attack them. It hasn't happened yet. And it's quite unlikely to happen any time soon: Poland is busy in the West and Macedonia cannot hold Greece under occupation long enough.
@mihail
That was not the big BB, that one was mostly unsuccessful, though some interesting irregularities happened with banning everyone registering from that campaign initially.
The big BB came later form the story on the news and putting a clip of it on the Bulgarian equivalent of ytube.
Let's not get back to the months of BS around the forced inclusion of Turkey into EDEN, let's just say, Pheonix never fell that low as EDEN did on that.
@Wildrunner,
Main reason that shows eTurkey has less active players than eBulgaria is the immigration of many eTurkish players to countries like eUSA. I can say there are hundreds of eTurks in eUSA (apart from inci)
What were EDEN's other options?!
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Oh trust me you had plenty of options. And plenty of time also. 4 months are quite a long time in fact. But that's a closed chapter now.
mvcakir, Bulgaria too has a lot of players with foreign CS's but you cannot convince me that USA has given atleast 400 CS's to Turks in the last month. ; ) And the fact that you had a 6k BB and still 400 players less, come on...
Nothing changed since Bulgaria left EDEN:
- Turkey is in EDEN
- same group of players ruling EDEN
Even if Flausino fails, Bulgaria will stay away.
@mihail
Romania will find itself in the same position it did 2 years ago, when it created Bulgaria as a power and it has eventually surpassed it, do you remember when I told you, Bulgaria will one day be stronger then you?
You're in no position anymore to dictate or "advise us" what to do or not. We want to make a new alliance, get in our way at your own peril. EDEN is a closed book for us, no amount of propaganda will change that.
@Wildrunner:
The Turks are a major contributor in every Greek, Croatian or Romanian campaign. If Romania, Greece, Croatia and the rest of EDEN would stop supporting Turkey then they would betray an ally who had fought for them since joining EDEN.
Besides, you have attacked Turkey convinced you will wipe them out in spite of EDEN's help. How else can we help you understand that was a bad idea?
@mvcakir
As long as you live with your head buried in the sand, Turkey will remain to be known as the EDEN of Cheaters (excuse the pun) in the game.
It is not coincidence that Poland and Serbia all of a sudden, have become almost free of multies, in any case have no more then average, while it is TEDEN countries, especially the ones Turkey has interest in (sorry Croatia) which are getting 200 registrations per day, but no increase in population.
The Turks are a major contributor in every Greek, Croatian or Romanian campaign
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LOL perhaps that was true before the war started. After that EDEN is a dmg donor for Turkey in their war vs Bulgaria.
Besides, you have attacked Turkey convinced you will wipe them out in spite of EDEN's help.
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Actually not, we started the war with the idea of destroying their empire which was the biggest in the game back then. And we're succesful. Wiping them out would be only a plus.
That change coincides with the switch of Turkey to EDEN.
And that might happen too, on next mission Plato implements or next true patriot medal. x D Like I said as the time goes by the difference in power only grows bigger and bigger, so more and more dmg will need to be donated to Turkey to keep it up. So what Croatian, Greek and Romanian campaigns were you talking about? LOL
@mf2hd.bg:
All it takes is for you to come to an agreement with the Turks. Once that war is over you can happily join Terra, where Russia is, in case Turkey is such a big problem.
Or you can keep your own alliance on the same side as EDEN and Terra. The issues between Chile and Argentina or China, Taiwan and South Korea can easily be solved in a mutually beneficial way as long as the Turkish-Bulgarian war comes to an end.
And I think Flausino will make that end nearer.
That change coincides with the switch of Turkey to EDEN.
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Yep, also the baby bazooka bots that started appearing in Bulgaria before that. with Turkey on their side EDEN for sure has become the cheating aliance. Ever wonered how all of a sudden smee again became a weak troll? It's no more easy to troll ONE and to pretend you're a "brotherhood" when you've become something that low.
@eDarkAngel
LOL is all I can say.
Now you accuse Turks of creating multies in countries they are allied to.
And this accusation comes from a country where hundreds of babies are born and spend their bazookas in vital battles, who are banned for creating multi accounts immediately, most of them on the same day.
You dude can LOL as much as you want but you'd still be the country with the 17 banned CP's for cheating and system exploits.
This guy is big LOL.
Fail article. Turks cheat, forget RL. They suck in this game real hard.This is the country I despise the most in Erepublik and cannot be allied with them. They are arrogant, cheat,disrespectful and think they are awesome. EDEN will fail
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little bulgars have Turk complex. psikoligical trouble. they need a doctor.
failusame fat and antisocial.