Facts about Macedonia and putting the issue to rest
Che Greco
Lately, there has been confusion in this game regarding the newly liberated region of Macedonia (which as erepublik correctly states "this region [...] already belongs to its original owner country).
I know this is a game and all but I've never realised how crazy propaganda travels through this game and affects people opinions. Don't get me wrong, there are crazy people on all sides of every argument but this one is very disturbing. So here is a chance to get things right, with real sources from scholars.
As is shown correctly in this game, Macedonia is a region in Nothern Greece, the birthplace of King of Macedonia Phillips (from the greek phillos + ippos, he who loves horses) and his son Alexander the Great. Ancient Macedonia was a broad region that included parts of modern day Greek Macedonia as well as smaller parts which nowadays are in Western Bulgaria and our neighbour to the north, which is internationally recognised as the Former Yugoslav Republik of Macedonia but known as Makedonija in their own Slavic language.Clearly, even the word Makedonija was not used by any ancient Macedonian.
Now I know many can say what is in a name, but the real issue here is historic revisionism, and a pitiful attempt for our neighbour to the north to steal our country's history through propaganda. For one thing FYROM/Makedonija wasn't created until 1992. I think everyone knows Alexander the Great and Macedonian history goes way before that. Before this it was the southern province of Yugoslavia known as Vardaska, until 1944 when then Marshall Tito decided to call the area Makedonija.
Alexander the Great comes into play here as the one great Ancient Macedonian, who our neighbor to the north somehow claims ancestral ties to this person. Fortunately there are many proofs of Alexander the Great's and Macedonia's Greek identity:
All Macedonian inscriptions are written in Greek. Yes Macedonian had it's own dialect but so did every region, the most common Attike (Attica, another Greek region) dialect.
King Philip fought against other Greeks just like Athenians fought against other Greeks and Spartans fought against other Greeks. All Greeks fought against each other. (we still do 🙁
) Likewise Macedonians called themselves Macedonian the same way Athenians called themselves Athenians and Spartans called themselves. These are all Greeks.
I know this is a game but it's a game based on real nations and I think it's important for the game to remain authentic. The main reason for this article is because a friend of mine from this game was also confused and rightfully admitted his lack of knowledge on this issue, which is why I write this article to explain the issue and some detail and stop propaganda.Greece has no intention to interfere with what our neighbors think for themselves. Greece only protects its land and the history of authentic(Greek)-Macedonia.
I urge everyone to read this information, signed by hundreds of international scholars relating to the issue:
http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html
On a final note I will leave you with a quote from Alexander I:
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.... If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Greek cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)
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and to all our slavo-pseudomacedonian friends, a slightly altered message...
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It is worth commenting that it's not just our history those ultra-nationalists from Skopje try to steal. It is also our land. Thus the maps they issue and reproduce, representing Northern Greece (the land of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia) and Western Bulgaria as parts of their state.
For anyone wanting to know more historical facts there is this letter to president Obama written and signed by hundreds of American and European scholars: http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html" target="_blank">http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-lett[..].html
so lame of greece, let the macedonians be macedonians, its just a stupid name.
@DrejgUlf
Where r u from?
I totally agree with you, Voted!
@DrejgUlf
it's a holy name
@Myrmidons Army: sweden
@Dr_LOVE: holy schmoly, who cares? this issue is so lame i cant believe it, waste your energy on something positive instead.
Why don't you sit to your boyfriend and kiss him for me? The region you call Macedonia in today's Greece belonged to our country from the time of Alexandar to the Balkan wars in the beginning of the 20th century. Now, maybe Alexandar was Greek, maybe Phillip was Greek but the teritory you call your own is actually ours. Why no one mentions your brutal banishment of Macedonians from Greece after the second world war? Also, there are a lot of proves that Macedoians still live in Greece, one being the independant political party "Vinozito". So, if we look at history, Greece was always the tiny islands in the Aigean see and Peloponez, you took away our country in the Balkan wars.
@Bokica: just so you know it, you are lame to.
Bokica what the hell are you on XD The Greek territory we call our own -is- our own and its rightfully within Greek borders...it's not -us- with geographical, historical and irredentist claims, it's you guys
Oh and Greek men don't screw other men, think you may ave us confused with another country..
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@1821
You say it's rightfully yours!? How it is rightfully yours? By slaughtering every single Macedonian in it and colonising it with Greeks? And here's a little joke about your masculine side:
It's true Greeks found out about sex but Macedonians told them that they need to have sex with the opposite sex.
@Drejgulf
getting the pass from Myrmidons, i would say that lets give them as name instead of FYROM, Svealand. Would be fine i think for you, cause its just a name..
@DrejgUlf
it's not just a name
you are not a greek and you can't understand
Slaughtering Macedonians (Greeks) and colonising with Greeks...dunno man, seems counter-productive to me XD inhabitants during ottoman rule were indeed (Greek) Macedonians by majority...some Bulgarians also, but you guys kinda, well DIDNT EXIST then, not as a puppet state until 1992 and certainly not until your creator TITO skillfully fabricated your 'glorious history'..
OK, you took Alexandar the great as Greek, the Bulgarians (Tatars) took Goce Delcev as theirown, but what was Tzar Samuil then? There are really really strong evidence that he was a Macedonian. Where did his relatives went? To Mars?
Let the Macedonians choose for themself if they want to be Greek or not. Who gave you the power to force others into submission?
The Danes could say that southern or "Skåne" belongs to Denmark because they occupied Skåne and our cultures are as good as the same. and we surely did for 400 years ago, but we as everybody else have a voice to say yes or no.
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Really? really strong evidence that he was of a nationality/race that hadn't been born/existed/fabricated yet? wow must be some evidence...also the gay joke is very old and lame my friend
@Eiro but that's the thing
Skane is (i'm assuming) not part of Denmark.
Geographical/cultural/historical Macedonia is already within Greek borders (take a look at the provinces of Greece on a map, preferably one not from a FYROMian school 😛).
It's the 'macedonians' that have stolen the name, eager to steal our land, and looking like the good guys out of all this
trollers
THERE IS NO MACEDONIA,
THERE IS ONLY GREECE , with his districts.
Hey, I have nothing for or against FYROM, but why do you people speak so negatively of Marshal Tito. He is the bright side in our history, and pretty much the only bright side...
@Bokica
Tzar Samuil was king of Bulgaria
We speak of Tito like this because he and only he is the reason for 'Macedonian language and history'...Greece was a southern neighbour, so it would be natural for him to cause unrest/propaganda in the region to extend his influence and eventually his borders
of course Thar Samuel was Bulgarian,eveerybody knows that!!OPEN A HISTORY BOOK OF MEDIEVAL HISTORY FROM AN ENGLISH OR FRENCH OR AMERICAN UNIVERSITY and learn the truth!
We all know, but the answer was so obvious i didn't tell him...you really can't do anything, deep rooted thoughts borne of arrogance, ignorance lies and propaganda sometimes can't be overcome by the truth
@1821: I´ve never heard of countries being able to take patents on country names...?
Let me get this right then, you just want Macedonia to change name?
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Context: IT'S JUST A FREKKIING NAME LADIES AND GENTLEMENS!
As long as you know that you are the "real" Macedonians, why do you give a shit about what the "false" Macedonians call themself?
@Eiro
We dont want Macedonia to change its name. Macedonia is Macedonia and it is in Greece. We want FYROM to finally stop falsifying history and go with a name that will not insult any of its neighbours nor will show any samples of irredentism against them. So we urge them NOT to change any name, since they dont have any yet (remember, they are not called "Macedonia" nor they are recognised by ANY international organisation by it). We urge them to finally choose one, one that will be a symbol of their own legacy and culture and history and pride and not something that will just show ignorance and effort to steal something that isnt theirs.
eiro macedonia is a greek territory..the country to it s north which in ancient times was called 'paionia'has the name FYROM
@Eiro
FYROM has nothing to do with Macedonia.
Macedonia is part of Greece since 2000 BC
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''We are SLAVS. We have NO connection to Alexander the Great! We descended in this area in 6th century AD!!!''
Kiro Blagoje Gligorov
The first democratically elected President of FYROM
Well changing the name stolen from a next door region to something else would be nice...but as I said ignorance can't be uprooted that easily
Main issue here is their beliefs and visions based on their false historical ancestry...they have claims on our land (theres a photo of their President bowing before a map of 'United Macedonia' incorporating Greek and Bulgarian lands) if Greece were to let the issue go as you suggest, and let them keep the name Macedonia, these visions and claims will only continue to strengthen...
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MACEDONIA IS A GREEK REGION RE!~!!
Well ignorant guys sorry to inform you that its not that simple as only a name, alot is at stake here.
Macedonia is divided to 2 regions now, the Greek and the Fyrom sides, north and south.
If we agree to the Fyrom (south) that they re the Macedonians they want their land back, the land that now Greece occupies (north), but in the opposite, Greece only wants the name back, wants the history back where it belongs, not the land of the North Macedonia (Fyrom), where there are no real Macedonian descendants there.
Greece has no land expanding philosophy, instead Fyrom has aggressively shown in their maps that they occupy Greek Macedonian lands!!!
After all, just to say this at the end, ancient Olympic games only accepted Greeks, Macedonians where accepted, so they where considered Greeks in ancient Greece, so they should remain so now!
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fyromians akouste vogghta sto va8os... 😃
@ADFGDF: Well if Fyrom is northen Macedonia, shouldn't they be allowed to name their country to Macedonia? North Korea - South Korea? Yeah it's a poor comparison, but still.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/macedonian-history-184773/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/ma[..]73/1
report his newspaper avatar!!!!
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@Eyes Cream, yeah they can name it Nothern Macedonia or Slavo-Albanian Macedonia no problem. The historic revisionism is really whats at issue here,
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Keep in mind Eyes Cream that all Koreans are... Koreans, separated for political reasons. The same does not apply here. FYROMians are Slavs, arriving in Europe a thousand years after Alexander The Great.
Two different neighbors of ours, in two different occasions in the twentieth century, used the name of Macedonia in attempts to extend their borders and get a passage in Mediterranean through the Aegean. They both failed at that, but as a result they created another national identity, the so called "Macedonian".
When in early 1990s they get their selfs a state, they invested in nationalism. Good for them because nationalism is the driving force of any new nation, bad for us because they stole our history to do so. In these 19 years of FYROMs existence most of their leaders at one time or another either accepted they don't have any roots from Ancient Macedonia or embraced their actual ethnicity (usually Bulgarian) or both. The hardline FYROMian nationalists disregard these facts and continue their propaganda.
Proving to the scholars that Macedonians were Greeks was never a problem for us, the vast majority of the scholars know that. The problem is normal people like you and me who doesn't care for history that much. For normal people, calling them Macedonians is just easier since that's what they say they are. For us, this doesn't only allow them to steal an important part of our history, but also allows them to continue the rhetoric about "liberating" a Greek region that was never in their borders.
PS: Che, if i'm not mistaken the quote isn't from Alexander the Great. It's from a previous Macedonian king, Alexander I. Obviously Alexander the Great also considered himself a Greek, stating for instance in his letter to the Persian King that "Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury".
http://www.therealmacedonia.com" target="_blank">www.therealmacedonia.com
You will find facts and maps that prove who is who...
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Hellenic Revenge: As i said, a poor comparioson 🙂
I understand more now of what you are talking about. Thank you for the information.
''We are SLAVS. We have NO connection to Alexander the Great! We descended in this area in 6th century AD!!!''
Kiro Blagoje Gligorov
The first democratically elected President of FYROM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKVlty4FsZo&feature=channel_page" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKVlty4Fs[..]_page