Ever Changing eEconomy
Bl1ndn3ss
This will come as a surprise to no one but I'll say it anyway: Our economy could be better.
There is a lot of THB floating around, not enough gold in the country and most importantly we can’t produce enough to sustain ourselves.
The very direct connection between production and economic strength is well known and can be found in several articles around the eWorld but that doesn’t do anything for us. So I will try (and please forgive any mistakes) to point out the main issues and, with any luck, some solutions, of our eEconomy.
I use the term eEconomy because there is a huge difference between Economy and eEconomy. The biggest one being the size. Economy deals with millions and millions of people where our eEconomy deals with at most 60000 (including fake accounts). The variables in the economy are always changing and never ending; there are political, geographical, military, human variables, which I will not go into, that influence a lot every aspect of the Economy of the world.
The price is, supposedly, based on supply/demand but nowadays, and most times (if ever), that isn’t the main reason. Where is in eRepublik that is the main reason, if not the only reason. Because, although the option of “embargo” exists in has no effect. No country solely controls a product or a raw material. And like many GMs found out there is ways around an embargo.
Only raw materials could make an embargo viable, but as I said, in every case more than a country controls that resource and even if only one country controlled a resource a simple trip with an Org to the “embargoing” country, buying there the raw materials and then donating them to the company would solve the problem.
All of this to explain in plain terms that eEconomics are much simpler and much more linear than real life Economy. But simpler isn’t always a synonym of better. The simplicity of it could prove to be a problem in the long run because being more simple means it’s a lot easier to destabilize or destroy. And that was proven when, back in beta, the printing of millions in currency destroy the Greek and the German economy and only the admins intervention made the recuperation of the eGerman eEconomy possible. (For good or for worst the real world doesn’t have “admins”.)
The way I see it the main problem with the Thai eEconomy is the value of the currency. Although, GMs are comfortable with the current value, the low value of THB compared to other currencies allows them to sell with a much higher profit, the rest of the country isn’t happy with it. It makes imports almost impossible, and that can be seen by looking at our market place very few companies are willing to export to Thailand and of those companies most of them are owned by Thai citizens that want to help the country. The ideal value of THB would be, in my opinion, somewhere between 100 and 150 THB for 1 Gold. That allows Thai GMs to make a profit but it also allows for foreign companies to make a profit (or at least not lose money) when exporting to our country.
This is a difficult problem to solve. There isn’t a sure way to influence the monetary market and there is no way to change it. This situation asks for “government intervention”. I’m sure some of you aren’t very happy with this idea and I have to admit that government reaching this level of influence isn’t always a good idea, but this is the solution we have left. The value of THB isn’t going to fix itself and we need a lot of gold to do it. I don’t think there are a lot of individuals that have the necessary amount of gold. (But if you are swimming in Gold and want to lose some of it… Can you lend us a hand (and some gold)?) The government needs to start buying the huge amount of THB floating around and start to sell some of its gold at a lower price than the rest of the offers currently on the market. But, as I said before, for that you need a lot of gold. Gold that, I believe, the government doesn’t have. So, priority one is to increase the national gold reserve and then use that reserve to bring up the value of THB.
From what I’ve “heard” the government is already pursuing this course of action.
The lack of production in our country is a problem that can only be solved by bringing more citizens to Thailand. And in that area I think we are doing all we can. We lost a lot of citizens in the past week or so but we can always bring more. The current campaign to bring skilled or not so skilled players to Thailand is, more or less, working, but a lot of people aren’t willing to move. This is a problem that, I’m sorry to say, has no obvious solution. We have to continue our campaign in foreign countries and hope for the best. In the meanwhile we have to rely on foreign companies to provide some, very needed, products.
Taxes were also a problem, discouraging foreign companies to export to Thailand but there is already an “across the board” tax change/cut being approved. I wish we could maintain the taxes the way they were, allowing for more of that THB floating around to go to the country’s deposits but we need the food, gifts and other products more than we need THB.
I believe these are the main problems in our economy. These problems are not unsolvable and we are not doomed, but it will take some work.
Every problem as a solution.
B.
Because I’m in “Hemingwayish” mood I’ll leave you with this:
“The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong in the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially.” – E. Hemingway (When he was good he was very good.)
Comments
Do we know the total amount of THB issued?
Well,when the exchange rates of a currency are like THB's is right now,it means its very easy to export to other countries.
Exporting can supply a steady amount of gold,which is what Thailand needs right now.
Currently,I run a moving ticket company here,I originally bought it for a quick resale,but the economic conditions here make it good to have.
Most if not all of my produce is being sold to gold traders or foriegners.
With that gold I am buying THB to pay my workers,and overall things are running well for everyone.
I also own a food company based in Ireland and I export half my produce here.
There is much demand and it usually sells daily.
However,recently the exchange market has come badly and instead I am using my THB profits to pay my moving company workers,rather than buying gold.
I'm not makingh as much as I used to,and I am considering stopping selling here.
However eIreland used to be in a similar position to this,so I sympathise with you guy,so I will continue to sel and produce here to help out the economy.
But as I say from this,exporting is a great way to go,to get more gold and make THB more valuable.
I have to agree that exporting is a good way to get gold but I think that in our case it does absolutely nothing.
The gold you bring from other countries usually ends in the pockets of the few people that have enough BHT to buy it. And if you take a look at our monetary market that usually means outsiders. And that does nothing to the amount of THB floating around. For that to work you would have to sell your gold exclusively to the government (or central bank). Which you cant do yet.
As I said in the article first we need to fix our production after that, and only after, we need to fix the value of our currency.
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"and overall things are running well for everyone." - I'm sorry but thats just plain wrong...
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"and overall things are running well for everyone." - I'm sorry but thats just plain wrong..."
I was talking about my moving company,as in Im making profits,and my workers are getting good wages.
Thai have few active workers and a lot of companies.
The weapons companies offer the higher salaries because they are getting huge incomes by exporting their products. Does this help Thain? NO!
We need to do something, to get more workers into the other industries. If we continue like this, Thai will be transform in a Weapon country, were everyone work in weapons companies that export their products. And all other goods have to be imported.
Mr. President please help us saving Thai from weapons capitalists. It seems that a lot of important people have weapons interest and are getting a lot of money with that, without thinking the bad they are doing to the country.
the president cant make anyone change jobs... its up to the people and only the people..
btw, "lefty" remarks like "weapons capitalists" always make me laugh... 😛
actually presidente can make people change job.
they can? is that a button? like "declare war", "propose MPP" and next to it "make citizen change job".. 😛
no, but there is a thing called of income tax.
oh, sorry, i forget that you are blind.
Excellent, Antonio. 🙁
you honestly think that by increasing the income tax people would change jobs? (do you realise that its the companies that pay the income tax?) I'm blind but at least I'm not dumb!
workers pay income tax, companies pay VAT.
Income Tax: is the value payed when taking money from the company (when you press the collect money button in the finance section of the company - and any decent GM can tell you there is a way around that)
VAT: is aplied to the value of the products, in the market, and its the buyer that pays it.
4 months of erep, a former candidate to the presidency of Thailand and you still dont know how the tax system works?
I dont know if you know, but income now is charged on workers 😁
maybe your blindness didnt allow you to see it changing.
the link you used in the wiki isnt updated, here is a better one:
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Taxes
Income Tax: A tax on all revenue in eRepublik, including salary and profit
Import Tax: A tax on products purchased from a foreign producer
VAT: A tax paid every time something is purchased from the market. VAT stands for "Value Added Tax"
Antonios arguments about the income tax are true. It's the most effective way for a government to influence the HR-market.
But I guess that we have an agreement, that we don't use this instrument (my proposal had no majority). It does not make sense to change our tax policy again. We lower import taxes, increase competition and hope to be an attractive place to invest, work and live.
@ Bl1ndn3ss
A good GM doesn't have to pay taxes when he/she collects money... In eEconomy, is it too easy to avoid paying taxes. Import taxes are also a very ineffective tool. And all the statistics are more than not accurate (donate, travelling for buying products, ...)
Now I'm glad you didnt won the elections..
The only way to actually effect a production like weapons would be to tax them back to the stone age! because any reasonable increase on the Income Tax would only lead to employees receiving a couple of THB less.. and lets face 2 ou 3 THB less on salaries of the weapons companies employees would change absolutely nothing..
and btw companies dont actually pay taxes on the salaries.. the wage of an employee stays unchanged but he (the employee) receives less if the income tax is increased.. And you do realise that buyers pay the VAT?
why oh why do I have to explain everything like I'm talking to 10 year olds????????????????
because maybe you feel comfortable thinking that you are talking to yourself.
and yes if the worker receives less with higher income tax he will prefer a company that pay more, no?
maybe you arent just blind....
ps: cant even assume that was wrong about income tax, just like a 10 years old.
and lets go to the facts:
1- i´ve offered my opinion about how to help the country.
2- "they can? is that a button? like "declare war", "propose MPP" and next to it "make citizen change job".. 😛" - we can see here sarcasm, maybe you dont agree with my point of view, but dont need to disrespect it.
3- i reply your sarcasm with my idea, and also a little bit of sarcasm
4- you reply me with not more sarcasm, but direct offense
5- i´ve refused to enter your child game, and explained you that taxes rules changed a little since BETA.
6- like a kid that dont know when to finish the game that is already lost you reply me with more sarcasm
7- also leave offensive stupid child message.
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now i ask who is the kid and who is trying to debate?
best regards.
if you honestly think that my last reply to you was sarcasm you need an attittude adjustment... I was explaining why I dont agreed with you..
the last comment wasnt directed at you (that's why it was separeted from the other..) it was me blowing of some steam..
and you still havent answer my questions..
and now if you can answer me this with properly justified remarks, you will make your point of views and I'll have to admit that you were right. The question is:
How do you intend to tax weapons companies and make people change jobs? Raising the Income Tax to a relevant level would kill the most successfull companies on the country. Which we have to admit isnt exactly a good idea. And if you raised the taxes and lets say after 2 weeks lowered them again; what would keep employees from changing back to the weapons companies and receive better salaries?
ok,
o know that buyers pay the VAT. and my experience in this few days i am in brazil show me a goverment that is used to control this kind of problems in economy with income tax, income taxes in the country is always changing, there i am learning quite well with good "teachers".
Maybe the income taxes as i said dont reduce much the wages, but a weapon company will have to pay much more to attract workers( but we still have the problem that many players don know that income taxes go to their wages, so they choose the job for the wage only, without looking at the taxes.
Maybe the best way to solve this problem is "talking", also if i am not wrong Guy Kilmore once said something about: powder for food, something about changing with other countries our weapons for their food.
Ok, ok...
"Maybe the best way to solve this problem is "talking", also if i am not wrong Guy Kilmore once said something about: powder for food, something about changing with other countries our weapons for their food."
Now I can say: I couldnt agree with you more!