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I actually think that we should wait for PEACE to disolve (which it will unless an equal alliance is created) and then jump into a "fresh" alliance

There's another option you haven't considered, and i'd bring it up in relation to the recent article regards an Anarchist Govt.

eAus could become a Mercenary State, fighting in wars for the highest bidder. It would give the govt an income without taxes and allow for a certain amount of neutrality.

Although i doubt eAus is strong enough at this stage to do or be much more than it is.

Hmm, if the major alliances dissolved I still think a neutral stance would be appropriate. I think setting up exporting should be a key aim for eAustralia because once we have everything back we should have the right materials to do something of the sort.

Obviously, with Romania trimming back a bit those Anti-Freedom-to-Oz people will probably get louder but it's unlikely that all of them know the full details. It will cost Indonesia if they break the agreement, 500 gold if I recall.
Plus, they'd have the whole Australian resistance thing start up again and Australia would never trust them again and would probably devote itself to annihilating them.

One of the key things we need to do is make ourselves a picture in the world. Nobody notices when the little guys die, but when a celebrity hits the deck the whole world knows a day later. Make Australia big and we could gain more support for ourselves and our allies if crisis struck.

But I guess the real question stands to be, who are our allies?

Also, I have always liked Able Kane's idea. Mercenary work pays for itself. Wellness, weapons, gold. It all comes at the expense of your employer and you still get paid! Mind you, I think more HUB then a nation that gets paid to do someone elses bidding. More that the country could become a haven for mercenaries rather then the whole thing being a mercenary state. Basically, if you were a country looking for mercs, Australia would be the nation to look in. You'd find a merc, give them a ticket, a gun, send them to your war, badabing badaboom, the merc comes back, settles down and brings his money to Australia. Sounds neat huh? Difficult though, the mercenary idea would require a lot of refining. Maybe support the creation of mercenary crews?

On the mercenary debate are we really willing to sell our soul (and beef cake arms 😛) to the highest bidder?

lol patti, our arms are beef cakey as 😛
But seriously, wouldn't we just open ourselves up for war if we are sending all our tanks abroad?

I'd say the bigger worry is if we, as mercenaries, fought against eIndonesia.
They wouldn't like that.

indeed and if we be selective about who we fight for that means we aren't really mercenaries are we? I say a big fat no to mercenaries 😛

Although I don't like the idea, I *do* approve of proposing other options - so Voted. Thanks for getting a debate going, Scorpion Stinger.
And frankly, it's a bit late to worry about selling eAus' soul.

If you're choosing sides because they happen to be powerful then you have no soul. Those who supported eIndonesia because "they were strong" can't rightfully oppose the morality of merc activities.
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My personal opinion is that as long as we get our territories back, we should be generally neutral towards eIndonesia & instead build eAustralia as a eNation that does things for good, not on what alliance people belong.

AW if you think we chose Indonesia over Romania you are indeed totally naive. Myself and the Senate debated on the issue and we came to the conclusion that backing Indonesia would be the best for Ausralia's long term future, and judging by the events of ATLANTIS this week it seems like we made the right choice. Please do not criticise things you know nothing about

Hi, I am relatively new to eRepublik, and it has become more and more apparent that because of eAustralia's comparatively smaller population we will constantly be under threat from larger more dominant countries. Because of this it is essential for eAustralia to find a strong ally soon, to allow us to reclaim S.A, W.A and Tassy, this same ally must additionally assist us with the constant attacks that we would receive from eIndonesia. Alternatively, we could ally with eIndonesia, request S.A, W.A, and Tassy as well as protection, and in return we offer constant support in any attacks that they wish.

Personally I believe that an action needs to be taken soon. And my own opinion is that we should ally with eIndonesia, as they continue to appear well lead and run.

thankyou

I think if you look at Australia's geographic position and the might of Indo, it's very logical to take this path.
A bit like in the past 50 years we've cowtowed to US and before that it was England.
We have to act within the reality of our circumstances.

@Patti : The entire argument used for the eIndonesian centric policy was that eIndonesia was strong. The eAus government was in sackcloth.
Then when eIndonesia became weak (before the eWeapons cheats kicked in) this suddenly changed. The eAus governments suddenly threatened to join eRomania. eAus government was very lucky that eIndonesia accepted the demand because the eAus government made zero contingency plans.
Now that eIndonesia is strong again, should we go back to pampering to eIndonesia? Personally if I was eIndonesia, I wouldn't trust such a relationship. If I was eIndonesia, I'd be asking whether the current eAus government would turn on eIndonesia should eIndonesia become weak again. This ain't the makings of good international eRelations.
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Let me make my own position on eIndonesia clear. As long as we regain our territories, we should have a general neutral policy regarding eIndonesia (& even if by some miracle we were ever in a position to take eIndonesian home territories, I wouldn't support it as we don't need a PTO risk). Let the big boys have their little battles.

We should be offering something unique in eRepublik & something positive. Being a eNation that pampers to any other eNation isn't offering anything unique.

once again AW as you wern't present at the talks, you do not know what happened. Ask anyone of the senators who were there and you will find out that your recount of events that happened without you even present are (not surprisingly) wrong.

And AW your stance on Indonesia would harm our reputation. We are asking for our lands back which I have to (begrudgingly) say, were won fair and square. Saying 'hey! can we have our lands back but we arnt giving anything to you though,' will get us nowhere

Hi Scorpian, for the record, I disagree with your stance on Indonesia, but think it is ballsy to put it up as an option...We are in a game after all and all options need to be considered. I believe being an ally to them puts us in an elackie position for a considerable period of time. Eventually they will over-extend themselves as every powerful ruler has done throughout history and it will crumble be it r/l or erepublik. My question is will this pro-Eindonesian foreign policy option be the official ANP foreign policy platform at the next election or is it a personal view?

The most intelligent decision is to trust eIndonesia. If they betray us, we have the moral high ground and we have the legal reasoning for being tremendously more hawkish in the second war for independence.

At this point though, we are a potential friend and we are at their mercy.

As for something new to bring to the table. eAustralia should not be overstretching itself. Consider instead, focussing on becoming an economic hub that might attract more migrants, or some other such.

Why not set the eAustralian international relations goal as being strong enough to fearlessly decide its own future. Where debates like these aren't about the risks of our actions in the Indonesian political sphere, but instead about the benefits of an Indonesian alliance.

@ Ten Cent - very nicely put. You'll go far!

@ Petergladwell.
No it's not ANP policy. Just my own musings

@ AW
When I've played Risk in the past, my first aim was always to secure Australia coz it had only one entrance and then you put a massive force in Indonesia as the gateway to Asia. If we were in Europe, we wouldn't be having this debate.

Agreed though, if we were the dominant power, there would be lots of different options to consider

Ten Cents style - High moral ground? eAus has abandoned traditional allies, rejected all overs of help and licked the boots of invaders. *What* high moral ground? As an example, have a look at the articles eUK have posted to their other traditional allies, frex here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-uk-a-message-from-an-ally--807911/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-uk-[..]1/20
See the love - that eAus doesn't get.

@Patti - you've just claimed that AW doesn't understand the situation in eRomania. Given his involvement there, would you care to withdraw that? Or have you completely lost the plot?

Scorpion Stinger - do remember that in eRepublik there are *two* ways into eAus, not one. Also, we are insignificant because of policy choices - we lose as many players as eIndonesia does - have a look at the last pages of the rankings.eAsu is weak becuase people leave in disgust.

'On the mercenary debate are we really willing to sell our soul (and beef cake arms 😛) to the highest bidder?'

yep

lol @ cheese

@Patti - you've just claimed that AW doesn't understand the situation in eRomania. Given his involvement there, would you care to withdraw that? Or have you completely lost the plot?

I was talking about the senate talks and the talks with Indonesia White Laughter

Invact Holdings-
Thanks mate.

Whitelaughter-

Forgive my youth, maybe I missed it. http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Indonesia-Australia_War" target="_blank">http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Indo[..]_War

I really just can't find the part where our 'traditional ally' the eUK had our backs anywhere in there. If you go ahead and search the historical date 'April 13 2008' you'll discover that the day before the war they'd just finished taking over Belgium, so it's not like they were weak or anything. If they ever really wanted to help us, they'd have been defending our borders from the get go.

I understand we have ties to them, and that we share Western cultural values, but we should be looking at this practically. We're a nation with potential, not results. The best way to bring about our potential is to build. Indonesia is the biggest threat, but it could be the biggest benefit. We have 'traditional' allies on the other side of the world who have demonstrated no desire to help us in our hour of need. Or potential allies on our doorstep whose influence stretches as far as Russia. Who have been honouring an agreement they had almost no obligation to make. I don't like being at their mercy any more than you, but I'm not going to rail against them because we lost a war once. Especially not with such good faith from the majority of their government.

Besides, begging some ex-ATLANTIS nation to vouch for us and betraying the treaty sounds to me like we'd be turning into that annoying little prick who changes sides to seize power. The honourable thing to do is to stick to our word and go on from there.

This eGame of eRepublik is in eVirtual eReality. 🙂
Play the game with a strategy to prosper.
I would like see eAus gain back its traditional states and territories but perhaps we should leave traditions, pride and the real world behind and play the game.

wrt a game with allies, battles and wars:
Don't show our hand, go with the strength and present a posture to our allies that puts them at ease.