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HAIL CTRL!
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18:13:04: hello everyone 🙂
18:13:04: lego-kun is the romanian MoFA, standing in for the president
18:13:24: lego-kun, please add [RO] to your nick
18:14:08: wnice to meet you Lego-kun[RO} !
18:14:23: nice too meet you too van_Spijck[NL] 🙂
18:14:25: 🙂
18:16:09: OK, let's start
18:16:17: I have 2 items on the agenda
18:16:35: only2?
18:16:48: i have 2, you will propose the rest
18:17:02: i'm trying to keep it as short as possible
18:18:40: first is about the CTRL alliance: it seems the american government is still secretly trying to revive it. that means we still need to keep talking to all the friends we have in the usa, especially congressmen, to make sure it fails the second time as well
18:19:27: and you should watch your MPPs with the usa closely, making sure you renew them in time
18:19:54: the second issue has to do with the military operations:
18:20:14: Well I think it's quite an easy task as there are alot of foreign congressmen in the US
18:20:23: we are still wasting a lot of damage by overkill
18:20:41: we did nicely against serbia: italy, greece and croatia
18:20:53: but we lost in portugal and in turkey
18:21:57: we really need to start winning in portugal and to regain the initiative in turkey
18:22:09: hello
18:22:33: can argentina handle peru and chile?
18:22:43: CTRL alliance? Poland and Spain?
18:22:49: yes
18:23:07: poland+spain+usa+brazil
18:23:19: actually the problem seems to be mainly in the usa
18:23:27: the brazilians seem to have given up
18:23:39: instead of CTRL we could call it as the FAIL alliance 😛
18:23:50: mihail_cazacu: I think that brazil will change their minds soon
18:23:53: only if it _does_ fail
18:24:14: because of the RO-BR problem, again....
18:24:15: in which sense, lego-kun[ro]?
18:24:16: indeed
18:24:25: as it gets worse and worse
18:24:33: what happened?
18:24:54: today i've seen FSR members ( the ones who PTOed eSK) getting CS's from Nemessis in Brazil
18:25:00: your article and the article of the other mofa seemed to be well received
18:25:16: and i've got quite a bad feeling about this
18:26:18: well, try to solve it by talking to their commander
18:26:18: in the next days i will get more info about what FSR wants to do there
18:26:48: and also i will get info about Lolands plans with CTRL
18:27:10: nice🙂
18:27:17: good
18:27:29: let's return to the military issue
18:27:46: any ideas how we can reduce the overkill?
18:29:09: Situation of lobbying Poland and Spain abandon Serbia's MPP?
18:29:24: they will _never_ do that
18:29:37: they _never_ intended to do that
18:29:40: have an MC oversee the battle, and redirect troops when the wall is going to be over 60/65%?
18:30:23: the essence of the overkill problem is not on the #eden.military
18:3😇5: it can only be dealt with at country level
18:30:46: yes, and MU level
18:31:26: it is possible to speak to country MoD's that are present there
18:31:27: we have noticed that it takes ~3 hours till the priorities filter down from the #eden.military and #eden.forces to the national level
18:31:33: From the chart, we have more total output
18:31:37: 3 hours is a lot of overkill waste
18:31:52: 3 hours = two rounds wasted


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19:04:51: our military commanders are present on #eden.forces so they have immediate access to our priorities. and they can change the daily orders of their MUs and also can coordinate their soldiers on the IRC or qq channels
19:05:09: just work together with them, so they do that faster
19:05:37: so we keep winning against serbia and we also start winning aagainst spain and bulgaria
19:06:17: OK, that covers what i had to say
19:06:34: about spain
19:06:38: one people started rw in sardinia
19:06:57: and some others serbians are fighting in Emilia Romagna against Slovenia
19:07:19: (which are turning to neutral, from the infos we have)
19:07:27: *which is
19:07:35: well, so far they aren't exactly neutral
19:08:00: so, i would take the problem of a spanish involvement in the east
19:08:11: so, italy and cro
19:08:14: and greece
19:08:31: I just want to say that Portugal needs desperatly to have congress this month or we'll run out of money 😐
19:09:50: ladies and gentlemen, can we make sure that portugal is the first priority for argentina, china, taiwan and israel? that means that if those countries have nothing pressing, they keep an eye on portugal?
19:10:02: that should be enough to keep spain at bay
19:10:07: yes
19:10:14: as cp of argentina, i can garantee that
19:10:20: we need to close our issues
19:10:28: i think that in 2 or 3 days
19:1😇0: they will be over
19:1😇9: (if everything goes on as we think)
19:10:48: \o
19:11:26: if greece has an easy match with serbia, i expect her to help turkey and croatia
19:12:37: ofc
19:12:58: i want romania to plan her fights better with hungary and slovenia. serbia won't actually be able to help hungary or slovenia much these days so if romania does not commit overkill, you should be able to manage
19:13:22: ukraine wants to invade slovakia
19:13:30: that would probably drain poland
19:13:56: i would have prefered ukraine attacks hungary, but oh well
19:14:05: can i ask you something?
19:14:11: i've been wondering since yesterday
19:14:13: sure
19:14:16: I will notify the domestic military, ready to support, but the plan is?
19:14:19: why dont we open and rw in saxony?
19:14:43: i mean not to hit with full force
19:14:45: just to drain polands
19:14:53: cause if they lose it
19:14:55: bb bonus
19:15:25: newhope0722[roc], are you asking about the plan behind supporting portugal?
19:15:35: hm that's true kostass13
19:15:36: yes
19:15:53: also because the alliance between sweden and poland is based on saxony
19:16:16: they closed their war with a pact, in that sweden keeps 2 deutsch regions
19:16:28: i mean even if no one of us hit, there are always bh hunters
19:16:37: and there's written that if poland loose saxony, the contract would be invalid
19:16:48: especially if the first and second rounds have low bh
19:17:37: the plan is to have portugal on the map during the congress elections newhope0722[roc] and, if we are doing everything right, to have portugal cutting spain in two
19:18:01: that would practically force the spaniards to stop helping anybody else in ONE
19:18:15: but the main purpose is to make sure portugal gets a congress
19:19:19: mihail_cazacu: there were people whispering some time ago that Spain would want to leave ONE ....anything new about that ?
19:19:32: hello sorry for being late RL issues.
19:19:33: not going to happen
19:19:56: actualy
19:19:58: formaly
19:20:02: spain already left ONE
19:20:05: 2 days ago
19:20:25: those are word-games
19:20:41: a country leaves one when that country drops the MPPs with one
19:20:59: i didnt say that they are not proONE
19:21:07: just that they leaved ONE formaly
19:21:23: when spain and poland betrayed eden they claimed that hungary had left phoenix so it was OK to MPP hungary
19:22:03: this "spain left ONE formally" is probably the attempt to fool the american players into MPP-ing spain
19:23:02: spain leaves ONE when she stops being allied with ONE
19:23:10: when they make peace with portugal
19:23:24: until then, they are ONE for all practical purposes

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19:40:57: right now we have a pressing diplomatic issue: to keep talking to the friends we have in america and brazil, to make sure they keep CTRL alliance [=usa+brazil+spain+poland] dead
19:41:21: and they do not fall for the line "spain has officially quit ONE"
19:42:14: we have a pressing military issue: to improve _FAST_ our overkill control, by making sure the priorities are adopted faster than 3 hours at country level
19:43:51: can i ask you something?
19:43:56: sure
19:45:17: I received a suggestion from Egypt government to want to MPP with Ireland and want to be in proEDEN. I want to hear your opinion
19:46:49: croatia mpp-ed them
19:46:54: i received too
19:47:03: it seems there is a croatian to
19:47:06: and greece had nothing against
19:47:11: and greece confirmed me that
19:47:24: so go ahead
19:47:37: there are romanians there too
19:48:00: well, moldova is full of romanians and moldova is a pain in the butt
19:48:05: and there are croatians there too 🙂
19:48:33: so what matters is greece was ok with mpp-ing egypt
19:48:41: mihail_cazacu: what's that status of eMD and eUKR ?
19:48:50: md are idiots
19:48:55: cuz i saw on .fa that we shouldn't sign mpp with eMD
19:49:05: precisely
19:49:24: so romania should not renew the MPP with moldova
19:49:26: they (in eg) keep varlosh away from the position
19:50:00: ok, but I want here your opinio for Egpyt want to be in proEDEN ?
19:50:08: hear*
19:50:25: when somebody wants to become proeden, we're glad to hear that
19:51:11: yes..they want that.. and gr doesnt have anything against
19:52:22: ok, thank you for answer 😉
19:53:36: For example that Colombia and Iran?
19:53:57: yes, colombia and iran are firendly
19:54:39: iran and turkey may need to discuss some region lease at some point
19:54:58: i think there is no outstanding issue between colombia and argentina, is there?
19:55:07: tbucchi[arg]?
19:55:22: we are friends
19:55:25: with colombia
19:55:28: good
19:55:45: could you ask them if they are interested in joining us?
19:57:48: just because we don't have yet a formal MoFA team we shouldn't refrain from using the country MoFAs to do some EDEN diplomatic stuff, like talking to the colombians about integrating more closely with us
19:58:33: well as I remember
19:58:37: some time ago
19:58:49: eden had a position named
19:58:54: FA organizer
19:59:09: with an eden diplomacy, we wouldn't evalue more the work of national diplomacies, imho
19:59:11: and i don't see it anymore unfortunately
19:59:17: *evalue less 😛
20:00:10: [20:55] <@mihail_cazacu> could you ask them if they are interested in joining us?
20:00:17: Lego-kun[RO] feels like and old dino
20:00:21: Portugal would like having colombia here 🙂
20:0😇0: eitaly too
20:0😇4: colombia is terra now
20:0😇6: we have good relationships
20:00:43: canada tries to revive terra
20:00:50: same for eNL, we always have had good connections with them 🙂
20:01:09: i told rylde, the canadian president that if their members want, we can be open to a dual membership
20:01:23: for a long time canada was member of both terra and eden
20:01:47: i told him that if their members like the idea, we are open to them also joining eden
20:02:06: so the ball is entirely in their court
20:02:38: seems good
20:03:08: and what with bolivia? i got weird msg 😃
20:03:10: look
20:03:21: Colombia is in TERRA? I thought was only PRO
20:03:27: Seba Geek to Frojla | yesterday
20:03:29: Bio sam zadivljen, ako bi mogao potpisati MPP vam pomoći da zaštitite jedni druge
20:03:31: proTerra
20:05:09: ok, guys, do we need to cover anything else?
20:05:19: your penis
20:05:25: lol
20:05:33: yes, for sure
20:05:40: and that's eden diplomacy 😃
20:05:49: avec, my pen** is so small it is barely visible
20:05:54: as CP of eNL I would like to thank Argentina and Ukraine, who have held fundraises for us, because we where out of funds, haven't been able to supply our army last couple of days, because of not having regions
20:06:14: We're still talking with PL
20:06:21: but they are rather slow 😛
20:06:21: but if you prefer, i can talk about it in the common mp
20:06:55: feliks[it], what is your proposal about eden diplomacy?
20:07:05: (or by an article? )
20:07:25: that's the same was presented thursday, at MoFA meeting

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20:50:27: so, quicly, i'm not agree with you, mihail_cazacu, for two reasons
20:51:00: 1- we need an operative team, not a huge unshaped thing who comprehends all the alliance
20:51:56: 2- I think EDEN is not only the sum of nations, as ONE, but i think it's something that can think to the wellness of everyone
20:52:25: fine, just make a short proposal
20:52:53: so, we don't need only to fill foreign countries of words, but we need also to make our countries go with
20:53:12: and avoid things like Ukr-MD or BRO-RO with our collective force
20:53:42: feliks[it], by all means, find a very condensed way to describe the FA team and we'll vote on it
20:53:53: take your time
20:54:03: but make it 2 lines long
20:54:11: Ukr-MD and BRO-RO are things that didn't happen out of no where , in my opinion Feliks[IT] 🙂
20:54:30: and in all honesty they cannot be controled
20:54:31: they are someone's plan
20:54:32: what's different between this team & MoFA's team?
20:54:39: otherwise we would have controled them
20:55:35: to give you a very recent example of what we _cannot_ do:
20:55:46: so, my proposal could be: "The EDEN Diplomacy works for cohesion and trust among the Brotherhood, takes care about relationships between the Brotherhood and foreign alliances or nations,
20:56:01: The EDEN Diplomacy Team is lead by an Foreign Affairs Organizer, chosen by the CP assembly of the alliance."
20:56:05: stop
20:56:58: (Lego-kun[RO] the problem is to manage and act with that: not to prevent it)
20:57:01: before USA signed a MPP with pakistan, india wnated china to RW sindh, so they can attack pakistan. they were so pissed off that china refuses to rw sindh [something which would have complicated china's situation by forcing china to look for fruits in japan and have 1 additional rw]
20:57:20: so pissed off they told me they consider leaving eden
20:57:39: not _that_ is an example where the solution was beyond _our_ means
20:57:56: the solution came from the USA, who signed an mpp with pakistan
20:58:52: we need to be realistic and accept there are things which are outside our control
20:59:49: with some of those things we get lucky
21:00:07: [though frankly the us-paki MPP worries me a lot]
21:0😇9: with some others we are out of luck [see bulgaria leaving eden against any rationality]
21:02:02: this is why i say we should keep the things simple and, if they do not work, it sometimes happens because _nothing_ and _nobody_ can make them work
21:02:31: sorry mihail_cazacu, but we cannot to stay passive, waiting for what others are doing

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21:17:41: if you elect someone as Foreign Affairs Organiser just make sure the job description is ok
21:17:46: but yes, obvious, mihail_cazacu
21:18:29: in a situation like we have now with the us government allegedly planning to revive CTRL, no FA can prevent such a thing. but if we have 17 cps and 17 mofas working each with their contacts in the usa, then we can make sure usa remains on our side
21:19:09: You can't just elect someone to do talking and then have SC as someone who only coordinates HQ, then the FAO has no force behind his/her words and SC has little to do except arrange summits
21:19:32: if a truck hits the FA i don't want to see all diplomacy halting
21:19:44: avec: the problem is not a chair, but a work
21:20:09: and i'm not saying you, mihail_cazacu, are doing a wrong work
21:2😇0: i am saying we need a specialized team, who works only on it
21:2😇4: i know feliks[it]
21:20:59: but i think a specialized team is "toothless"
21:21:02: for example, someone who represents EDEN in brazil all long the problems with nemesis continues
21:21:02: SC/A-SC + MoFAs and weekly meetings?
21:21:21: ok
21:21:31: you mentioned that specific case
21:21:46: how can an eden representative there fix nemesis?
21:22:00: with an ATO work, for example
21:22:07: how?
21:22:16: Can we finish the scheduled topics first?
21:22:19: Brazilian CS's are frozen
21:22:34: and they don't want new people in Brazil
21:22:35: i met with the brazilian president last week and told him how to improve his ato work
21:23:19: he agreed and implemented the measure i suggeste😛 to publish the list of the blockers in their diario oficia [=official newspaper] so the party presidents know who the blockers are
21:23:29: and he published exactly that
21:24:54: ok Lego-kun[RO], but a collective structure i think can trusted more
21:25:39: so we can easily appoint one of the MoFAs or presidents to be our contact person with say brazil
21:25:56: without expanding the structure
21:26:05: without removing nothing from eRomania, I think the sabotage managed from Nemesis, made damage to your relationships

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03:37:48: [22:52:42] serious diseases need serious cures 🙂
03:37:48: [22:52:53] 🙂
03:37:48: <***> Buffer Playback...
03:37:48: [22:36:50] and i did something:
03:37:48: [22:37:03] i told the brazilian president a trick he didn't know
03:37:48: [22:37:23] he didn't know he should publish the list of the official blockers
03:37:48: [22:37:39] we does it every election..
03:37:48: [22:37:47] *we do
03:37:48: [22:38:00] that simple solution would ensure the party presidents do not mistaken a nemesis for a blocker
03:37:48: [22:38:21] you do it, the brazilians didn't do it until i told their president about it
03:37:48: [22:38:32] Sorry for If there are no other subject, I should go to bed now...
03:37:48: [22:39:08] gn newhope0722[ROC]
03:37:48: [22:39:17] good night
03:37:48: [22:39:52] gn newhope0722
03:37:49: [22:53:04] ok, ladies and gentlemen, i think we can close this meeting
03:37:49: [22:53:51] we will meet again, together with the MoDs on tuesday 11:00 erep time and with the MoFAs on thursday at 11:00
03:37:49: [22:54:11] till then good night/good morning and good luck!
03:37:49: [22:57:51] i need some water, a good pillow and a pair of new eyes
03:37:49: [22:58:39] hihihi
03:37:49: [22:59:14] interminable falls of words..
03:37:49: [22:59:44] i need a broom to clean you all of the channel 😃
03:37:49: ZeNaifas [01:52:32] THANK YOU PLATO http://www.erepublik.com/pt/article/did-you-lost-something--2082239/1/20
03:37:49: <***> Playback Complete.
03:37:49: [22:51:13] "who is against appointing a special envoy when we need one?"
03:37:49: [22:51:33] if nobody says anything then it's decided 🙂
03:37:49: [22:52:15] hehe, nice trick on a gang of AFK's 😛


Interesting log, wouldn't you agree?
And of course i will have the Tuseday meeting log as well!

FULL LOG (With boring parts) http://pastebin.com/egfXtHmU

MESSAGE TO SMEE : See i can haz logs to!