Democracy : More Than Voting & Why eAustralia Isn't One
Australian Warlord
It's claimed that a democracy is the right to vote. But I ask you, is China a democracy? Is Zimbabwe a democracy? Was the USSR a democracy?
Democracy is much more than voting & eAustralia today isn't a democracy. It has more in common with China, Zimbabwe etc than it does with a the RL democratic countries most of us live in.
In countries like China, there's a regime of sensorship. Articles that don't conform with the government &/or articles by certain people are sensored. On the eAustralian forum, articles that don't conform &/or articles by certain people are edited or deleted.
In countries like Russia, it's demanded that everybody conforms with the government. People that are deemed not to conform can expect to be oppressed. In eAustralia, the eGovernment also demands conformity. According to the eAustralian government, all congress members are expected to accept the eGovernment's views. Particularly elected congress members who express a will of their own are deemed to be enemy identities.
In countries like Zimbabwe (& Pakistan under the previous administration) you have the government undertaking actions against people, it being ruled illegal & then the government getting around it to get their way. In Pakistan, the government merely sacked judges that ruled government actions unconstitutional, in Zimbabwe the government merely proceeded with it's actions & declared it couldn't be opposed. In eAustralia, we've seen the Zimbabwe option. For instance in the eAustralian forum, the eGovernments senate speaker (Preditorian) placed numerous bans which the the senate voted against. After numerous votes against the actions, Preditorian & the eAustralian government merely declared that the eAustralian senate couldn't vote against bans against congress members.
In countries such as Russia (& many Asian countries), people who don't conform with the government simply face bans &/or declared criminals. They face showtrials where evidence against them is forged & they're banned from positions in the country. In eAustralia we see similar actions. In addition to that above, players have been banned from the eAustralian chatroom & we saw the forging of evidence in the eAustralian senate forum in a attempt to legitimize bans.
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Democracy is much more than the process of voting. It's about people being free from oppression (particularly poiltical oppression) & being free to express a viewpoint contrary to the government & not be forged into conformity.
Many of the players here complain about the authoritian nature of the previous Howard & Bush governments. Neither governments would have even dared dream of undertaking the kind of actions we see in eAustralia. There's voting in countries like China & Zimbabwe. Niether one can be called a democracy. In eNation that undertakes similar activities can hardly be classified as a democracy either. I say that those who criticise Howard & Bush yet engage in activities that they'd never even dream of doing show their hypocritical true colours against the every concepts of democracy.
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furrymaxx
For the benefit of the admins, players like Able Kane was banned from the eAus chatroom for saying that the senate should only consist of elected personal. Not certain on the line of events on Icey1174's ban from the chatroom & forum. Preditorian had banned me about 6 times from the eAust forum (including after editing my post to fabricate a charge against me & deleting several others), each time being overruled by the senate before Preditorian & the eAust government declared that the senate wasn't allowed to vote against a ban. These events are evidential support for statements made in the article.
Also Putin's goaling of political opponenents, Malaysia's & Thailand's banning of political opponents from running. China's censorship of the internet & Zimbabwe's squads & overthrowing of the judicial system when it declared the governments actions relating to farms illegal is evidence of the RL events.
Hmm your just rubbing salt onto your own wounds m8, not good for your self esteem.
1. You attacked eAustralian Citizens and Senators with Articles. The eRepublik admins themselves found you for breaking the rules and banned u justly.
2. The reason your not allowed to vote for your own judgement is for the fact that you would obviously vote to not be banned and you were the senator in question therefore your vote was nullenvoid.
3. You broke the Senate Code of Conduct 3 times and also broke the Government Secrecy Act by revealing sensitive information.
4. Can we stop pretending that theres more then 1 victim? its just you so stop pretending like the whole world is going to end, ur a god damn drama queen and need to stop having a whine.
"In countries like Russia, it's demanded that everybody conforms with the government."
Serious? In the modern day Russian Federation? Please link me to where that is stated.
"Democracy is much more than the process of voting. It's about people being free from oppression (particularly poiltical oppression) & being free to express a viewpoint contrary to the government & not be forged into conformity."
Last I checked, you were 'democratically' found guilty of breaches in senate protocol.
Keep it real
Able kane got kicked out, not banned. Get your facts right.
"Not certain on the line of events on Icey1174's ban from the chatroom & forum."
http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1324" target="_blank">http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.[..]1324
there is your little reasons, learn to read, or don't talk about what you dont understand.
You have no idea what your doing man, play your political spins like a pro, or don't try.
You have more in common with Mugabe then you think.
He refused to believe anyone else has a opinion. He took it upon himself to denounce anyone who had a different view from his own.
If you didn't agree with Mugabe, then you were less then dust to him. If Mugabe didn't like something, he published propoganda and false reports all in a effort to win support for a false cause.
If Mugabe wasn't in charge.. no-one could be.
Sound Familiar? 😉
Australian Warlord, you can not achieve full democracy anywhere in the world from what I last saw. There will be a form of corruption somehow, affecting the "fair" and democratic system.
Also, you were "democratically" voted out of Senate so don't complain about your ban. 😛
Sadly i think most of what your getting at will go over the heads of those it's intended for, but once again (in your own unique style 😁 you have hit the nail on the head.
The Senate was Elected 'Democratically.'
The Speaker is Elected 'Democratically.'
The Protocols were decided 'Democratically.'
Your Punishments were decided 'Democratically.'
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Before you going using big words, at least understand the meaning.
Democracy -
"Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Just to help the Author understand the meaning of Democracy, but everyone else is free to read it. 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
The eAus chatroom/IRC room isn't governed by the government as far as I know, rather run by the community.
You may create and run your own IRC room if you wish.
@DDI : Why don't you use your actual player account. Why don't you tell us all about this "alleged" breach of senate information & why don't you tell everybody how Preditorian had edited the post in the senate forum to fabricate the allegation & then deleted statements showing & proving that he had fabricated the evidence. Also why don't you explain how by the same rules Br0ad (and others) are able to willfully discuss sensitive material in a public forum & it's deemed acceptable.
Additionally you say it's right for me to be denied a vote. That's interesting because you don't say a single word against the opposing party (Pred & Br0ad) being able to vote on the same matter. Infact Pred censored such matters.
@Pred : It's you & Br0ad that ban people for expressing viewpoints contrary to your own, not me. It's you that decreeds that people ain't permitted to vote for anything other than what you choose. It's you that alters posts in the eAus forum to fabricate evidence against others, not me.
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The senate voted against the bans until Preditorian declared that they weren't allowed to vote against the ban. Preditorian declared guilt. That isn't a democracy.
DDI is Br0adside =.=, asif you didn't know.
For your info, I was the player who proposed the ban of icey1174 and not you.
And no, the senate, majority of senate voted for some form of punishment. I admit that there were some issues regarding to voting, but it was a problem which was unforeseen before.
@Ben P : The chatroom is controlled by eAus governmental officials. You see players being banned for expressing viewpoints that don't conform.
@Srg91 : Icey was banned from the senate prior to those events. I believe that Icey only undertook that action as a result of being banned.
Actually Zaney owns the room, me and pred got into an arguement with zaney and patti11 about the transferring the room into government hand.
Icey was banned for starting Resistance wars and attempting to damage eAus and eIndo relationships the first time round.
So AW, are you saying we should all vote in IRC before banning someone? This place is rowdy and "noisy" enough for anything going on in there already.
IRC is not controlled by Government officials. More than half of the people inside there are not Senators or part of the cabinet.
@srg91 : I did attempt to talk Icey out of it however Icey was banned prior to it, not after.
@DV (or whoever is the real account holder) : Pred banned me (about 7 times) from the eAus forums, not the chatroom. And the bans that's been made in the chatroom were improper (eg Kane's).
My government is corrupt. Either you go with them or they kick you out. The oppress anyone with a different view. What's good for them is NOT good for everyone. Do as they say, not as they do. Plain and simple. Their time is coming and all their hard work will fall to ashes and democracy will ring true. 🙂
John
SENATOR Icey1174 🙂
Voted! Who would have known!
In USSR Australia, you don't get banned, the ban gets you.
In democracy Australia, you get banned, by majority.
Icey... is isnt "your" government, no matter how many votes you buy to get elected.
Its kinda pathetic..
A arguement doesn't go your way AW.. so you simply get your Org and post your childhood fantasies?
Grow up Child. 🙂
This disgusting comments would not come from AW, he is actually to mature for that sort of stuff.
eAPWP is Icey, who else would write immature things like that towards the younger generation.
Either way, Screenshotted and reported, Hope you enjoy your ban again Icey.
And he is the only one who would actually use all his orgs and citizen accounts to carry out a conversation with himself.
I would like to comment that the IRC channel is governed by the popular and expressed oppinion of the users of the channel. Bans are frowned apon by all Admins and are usually removed after a short time. If you have any suggestions, comments, concerns, well-wishings or anything at all related to #ausrep, please PM me and it WILL be taken in to consideration on a neutral and subjective basis.
honestly I wonder why we bother, admin will probably ban his org for a day, and its all fair games the next. Kinda bullshit in my opinion.
Also banning his org would mean nothing. He can always recreate a new org and troll another 5 times, and so on.
Kinda gets boring after a while.
Wait a second, lets see if the org has anything of value in it. Nope, ok I don't want it.
@Pred : I'm not like you & Br0ad who creates orgs simply to flame people.
Of course this brings as to the main issues include you editing posts in the eAus forum to fabricate evidence, censoring post & deleting posts that don't confirm with your views & denying people a fair & free vote.
Yup... I am a little slow on learning here. This is how the rest of our government flames. 🙂
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Getting bit old AW. Hows about you grow a pair and take some responsibility?
I'll say it again.. 'Responsibility'.
If you have trouble saying it out loud, sound it out.
Unfortunately, Responsibility requires some.. 'Maturity'.
But eh, once you learn to use the two, you might actually become a respected, productive member of eSociety.
Thats the lesson for today, feel free to tell your Year 8 Classmates. 🙂
Garven dreis
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/human-rights-activist-attacked-russia-20090401" target="_blank">http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updat[..]0401
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia#cite_note-Democracy-4" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right[..]cy-4
Reporters without borders ranked russia 147th. google it then google it again to rid yourself of any ignorance.
if this is your kind of democracy then you shouldn't be in the communist party because you don't have a support the communist ideals
All I hear is the same arguements which have already been disproven. Constantly repeating yourself not only makes you a parrot, it proves guilt, it proves insecurity.
Your insecure about how others look at you/listen to you, so the only way for you to get some attention is by making silly comments.
As above.. take some 'Responsibility' for your actions, you'll learn sooner or later. 🙂
news to me that Australia isn't a democracy. I was democratically elected a senator and i democratically voted during your judgement.
you released government secrets that would be punished in pretty much most mordern democracies in the world.
@Camm : No I didn't, Preditorian edited text in my post inside the senate forum to fabricate that charge against me & the vote was against any ban. Preditorian only got his ban by declaring that noone was allowed to vote against the ban.
Btw : Br0ad willfully release material within sensitive documents on a public chatroom & Pred decreeded that there was nothing wrong.
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Simple fact, what we see in eAustralia is a Putin style attack on democracy.
You know what's funny? You hate free speech. You're the one that wants to get more people banned for saying what they please. And improper speech is subjective, so don't try hiding behind the excuse of profanity.
Allow me to sum up: Wah Wah! No one agrees with me!!! ;_;
From what I have seen/ read from eAus articles AW is a hypocrite
Really. I'm not the person sending in dozens of tickets in against people for expressing views different to my own. True I've sent in several ticket against Calibur however that's for his multi accounts which is interesting because up to that point I had gotten on well with Calibur.
Ask Pred, Br0ad etc how many times they've gone whinging & crying to the admins because somebodies expressed a view contrary to their own. Many eAustralian players are using org accounts at least partly because of the demerit points they've racked up.
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But of course you're referring to profanity. Let me tell you something. There's many young people in this game & they shouldn't have to read foul language or items of a sexual nature. VG, maybe you live in the gutter & don't care however some of us believe that in a PG game, there shouldn't be certain inappropriate content. If you want such material then find a MA18+ site.
Every comment you make only supports claims that you despise anyone else that has an opinion. Whenever someone holds a different opinion from you, you immediately respond with personal attacks and articles to denounce them.
Everyone the right to freedom of speech, everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness, the right to live free of Slander and Angered-Opinions.
Stop trying to denounce peoples rights. This isn't some Fascist Nation that will simply bend to your views.
For those that don't know, AW thinks like this..
"If AustralianWarlord is not in Charge, No-one Can Be."
Everyone has a say in the future of our nation, your opinion is not the only one. The sooner you learn that, the better.
democracy - requires openness and accountability. When voters cannot see how their elected representatives have voted, or how they have argued, then it is a sham.
Of particular importance to eAustralia: which senators own Wood and Iron companies? When the major market for these firms is government owned Hospital and Weapons companies, I want to know whether the obsession with buying locally - which is wasting a fortune in taxes - is merely incompetence or actual corruption.
Pred Propaganda : The person who puts in dozens of tickets against other eAustralians for having different opinions to him. The person who deletes information from the eAus forum. The person who edits material on the eAus forum to fabricate evidence against other players. The person who places bans against other players from the eAustralian senate forum & when the eAus senate votes against it declares that the senate is prohibited from voting against the ban.
Then Pred claims it's other players that oppose freedom of speech.
@ WL
I have tried telling you this before but we HAVE transperncy but you have to look for it, If you want to know what your senators have voted then look here
http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewforum.php?f=69" target="_blank">http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewforum.[..]f=69
AW, one thing is for sure...you are a true Media Darling.
Voted, so people can see what kind of ******** you are putting up. Hope the Australian people don't follow this ****.
"Why does everyone not like me?"
Once Again I'll point out.. Unless your under AW's thumb.. expect constant abuse.
AW thinks as such..
"If AustralianWarlord is not in Charge, No-one Can Be."
Call it a Mental Disorder.. But unfortunately, thats how his mind works.
He would rather see our nation conform to his fascist personality then actually progress.
Noticing Comments from other Citizens, I feel secure knowing that other people do not tolerate such nonsense behaviour.
eAustralia is not a place for fascist Americans.
No surprises, AW has requested a name-change to Ukrainian Warlord. xD
Vote this up so we can reveal to the nation how foolish Ukrainian Warlord truly is..
Knowing the history between these two I honestly wouldn't be surprised if AW was telling the truth.
Preditorian shouldn't have become speaker knowing how much he hates AW and icey, and the lack of objectivity that will occur whether he likes it or not is obvious.
CheeseBall, whether you like it or not, Protocol is Protocol. It has stood there long before even myself became a Senator.
Im not going to allow exceptions because one Senator chooses to act like a Child while in a Seat of Responsibility.
It is up to him to change, the Senate Rules will not change for him. He had been given 3 Warnings Prior to the Final Incident. The Senate had enough and a vote was held. The Senate decided it as a Group and AustralianWarlord was removed from his position.
"It was the straw that broke the camels back."
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Regardless of your personal views to myself, the peoples representives elected me to handle the arduous task of Speaker.
This term had not done myself nor the Senate any justice and the drama simply added to the stress and work-load.
Australian Warlord simply needs to learn when enough is enough, and start taking responsibility.