Dail Leaks
Releasethe Krakken
Years ago Seanan brought out an article about Congress activity.
The dial is where most laws originate in a country. in a small country like ireland most players are invited to the dial thread and we dont really have any constituents we are our own constituents we represent 1 player ourselves in congress.
There is 2 parts to the Irish government the dial and the Seanad Eireann.
The congress and the senate in other words.
I wont list all congress men to safe me some time.
It will be simple discussion/proposal and then comments per congress member.
This will give us an idea what topics is discussed and what not by congress. I did not print congress posts verbatim .
Total comments: 104
1.Introduction : OP Fenoglioteam
1 comment by seth , lanyislost, bneo
2.Discussion about citizen requests : OP Winston Hope Smith
Comments by : aimesan, fenoglioteam, estebanbolso, seth, nerusia, seth(2),kaitlinn, flaco jimenez
3.Question about how to donate money to orgs and general about strategy: OP Dustdemon
Comments by : seth, dustdemon,
answered by release the krakken (Cp)
4.Citizen requests - slightly off topic derailment of dustdemon's topic: OP SETH
comments by friedrich nietzhe,
, seth, seth, lanyislost,
5.QUESTION WHETHER DONGASM AND NERUSIA is back in the country : OP Lanyislost
answered by release the krakken (CP)
6.Bulgaria: OP Aimesan
comment by releasethe krakken, seth, nerusia after discussion again veered to Citizen requests.
7.CITIZEN REQUESTS : reopened by WINSTON HOPE SMITH
Comment by seth, aimesan, lanyislost, seth
8.AD HOMINEM ATTACK on Nerusia: OP SETH
comment by dustdemon, seth, kaitlinn, dustdemon, seth,dustdemon,seth, seth, seth ,
Explanation by release the krakken explaining game mechanics to seth and why we can have meta ministers
9.BULGARIA - reopened OP RTK
comment by rtk, discussed with ad hominem by seth,
PROPOSAL BY RTK Either a Training war with bulgaria or after discussion with them we can take back region.
1 comment by rtk (saying will be posted in cabinet as well, 1 comment by fenoglioteam what his opinion is., 1 by kaitlinn asking about compensation
in cabinet we decided to leave compensation as it would anyway not be a big amount . and the return of the region was a gesture by BULGARIA we should be very thankful for as it opens up more wars for Taiwan, Bulgaria, Finland and us. So I guess although there was miscommunication we really decided to just continue with option b. In truth I think Bulgaria might have initiated the resistance war. if you aint already a subscriber their CP No Carrier are the biggest publisher in erepublik. at one time i pipped him to a 1000 articles and you should read his articles which is mostly entertainment driven.(wow almost hit a pedestrian so far i went off topic there)
10.Discussion about the UK derailing discussion of Bulgaria: OP WHS
comments by rtk, whs, lanyislost, whs, lanyislost,whs,aimesan,whs, rtk, nerusia, sheyden, seth,whs, whs, rtk debunking whs,
11.PROPOSAL MPP WITH BRAZIL: OP RTK
1 yes vote by fenoglioteam. but proposal was already being voted on.
12.CITIZEN APPLICATION MARTIN RAUCH: OP NERUSIA
comments by: sheyden, friedrich nietzsche,aimesan, aimesan, rtk,sheyden,rtk,whs,armanych,whs,whs,armanych, whs,aimesan,RTK,aimesan,whs,armanych,aimesan,whs,armanych,aimesan
at this point it seemed to me anyway that we were wasting far too much time
13 PROPOSAL BY RTK : Appoint a immigration board to handle citizen requests. Board would approve or reject the few application we get using their citizen passes.
NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS
comment about the game flaco jimenez,
14 CP ELECTIONS derailing PROPOSAL : OP SETH
seth,sheyden,seth
RUSTY
😨RTK -
The dominant discussion was citizen requests:
IN September we had 8 passes granted
in October 0 and in
November : 1 so far
😛
we discussed this topic i guess in about 70% of comments yet when a proposal was made about handling this trivial matter it was ignored.
Let me reiterate this so future dials can handle this better. Citizen requests is a trivial matter. If we appoint a board, committee or whatever most applicants can be handled by them. but then what would we discuss for a month?
One matter was easily resolved by me Bulgaria. The reason was simple the region had no value for Bulgaria for those seeing it as a launching pad Bulgaria have regions in the Uk and dont need us to launch anywhere they can just airstrike. Yet again I will post this here they have asked us for a TW this was never discussed in full.
However although we did not at all times kept on topic or refrain in all circumstances from pointless ad hominem attacks we somehow kept active.
Topics kept being derailed and actual proposals was mostly ignored.
I think the actual mechanics of these threads lends itself to the above. People are constantly scrolling up to see what they have missed latches onto old discussions and then discusses the old topics. Or are not really interested in topics and then just derails them. I would recommend that Plato introduces a treeview option for these threads. where topics can be isolated and other topics/proposals wont get lost in the wayside. In my work I daily see how poor communication between people /companies are.
Or instead of 1 congress thread we should have 3 or 4
CONGRESS: CITIZEN REQUESTS
CONGRESS:FINANCIALS
CONGRESS: WARFARE
CONGRESSSS:FOREIGN RELATIONS
In a normal dial a law would be proposed everyone would be given an opportunity to comment and then it would be voted in. In other words structure.
Dont see this as critic but as an opportunity for us to improve congress discussions in future.
ANYWAY it looks like Fenoglioteam will win this elections so lets all get in his team
😃
Due to game mechanics I wont be part of congress in November so keep these notes handy
Comments
Great idea to make our congress´ activty more trasparent.
Not sure how worthy is to make separate threads since the main congress one isn´t that active, but it´s something we can try. I have no problem opening 3 or 4 instead of 1.
Also, I thought I had answered about immigration board, but it seems I forgot. So, basically, while I agree it could be great to run background checks about those who request cs, the fact that any congress member can ignore it without consequences makes it flawed from the start.
my point was that in threads new messages are visible first. so this makes derailing a topic easy. instead of answering or commenting on the topic you introduce a new topic and whoever reads it will respond to your topic and not the topic discussed. . if you split threads their true intentions will be shown. wasting our time and destroying the effectiveness of congress. my guess would be citizen request will then almost have 0 messages and whs perhaps seth would use ad hominem attacks to keep flipping the page so to say. in short i cant really see what congress accomplished this month. almost no discussion on any topic except martin rauch who where already let in then . truly besides the few proposals we voted on no discussion had any outcome or clear majority voted decision.
compiling this article even showed this more clearly often a player would respond 20 comments after a topic and the introduction of a new topic by either seth or whs. i struggled to get these discussions so neat it was mostly a messy discussion.
tl;dr
Congrats Feno 😉
2 friends life in a house one day the one goes to town. the other one says seth if you go to town remember to buy me a cheese burger with chips. ok seth says. what must you buy his friend says. cheese burger with chips. so seth goes to town and he is having a great time. but he remember he must buy something for his friend . he goes to the ice cream shop and buys his friend a ice cone goes to home tells his friend here is your ice cream cone. his friend looks at it. did you remember the flake. damnit seth says i knew i forgot something. thing is im not even remembering the joke in full. but the thing is you will probably read the first and last line make some lame comment and go on your merry way 😛
Is this another one of those ad hominem attacks you were bragging about?
no its a joke and again your proof my point. you dont bother to read what people write in a thread or comment. you just march to the beat of your own drum. like i said we appreciate your input but in future read what others write and stop attacking people for political gain. the squeakiest wheel dont really need to be given the most oil .
Yeah, I read your block of text. I found nothing but a hypothetical cheeseburger where I played the fool who failed to deliver it. Jokes don't work the way you want them to
As for the "we" you're alluding to, I'm not, nor want to be a part of it. Politics 101
A joke is as simple as tl ; dr
I read the whole thing thrice.
To get your point across cleaner you need to edit yourself.
You have a vast insight into the game and it's squandered on bricks of unreadable text
well this is an old joke as i said its punchline something akin to the old telephone game we played as kids. it was not written by me i heard it from someone else. if you read my article you would see that i several times made proposals in the congress thread. and answered 1 question about game mechanics. although you were again being critical i did take the cork issue and resolved it by chatting with the bulgarian cp. it was originally raised by aimesan but my response was in response to your comment about the issue. i brought most things to congress to decide on to increase activity. i did make 1 proposal to resolve what it seems was a major concern of congress. as cp i push a few buttons talk to about 5 or 6 cps from other countries. and play my normal game. in my opinion i think i did a great job as cp. you have the right to disagree . but so be it .
Another stream of conscious post. Seems my "Edit Yourself" message was also left to the breeze.
"i dont think you and perhaps seth should be included in future congress threads."
That famous RtK charm at work again. A limp attempt to uninstall an eIrish institution of a player in a massive, unedited, meandering rant that also manages to squeeze a bid to non-person a vocal non-paying player.
And myself and WHS don't even agree with each other.
Your dealings with the Bulgarians are not a place for public discussion.
ofc it is like i pointed out Im still Cp and shall discuss my discussions with other leaders with the irish people and whoever wants to read it. dont go pulling out some 5 year old rule book about what a player can and cant do. maybe though you are a noob as you are constantly asking me to edit my comments something that is not possible. i can delete them. but i cant edit them. that statement was based on your conduct in the congress thread. we are a small community us fighting with each aint a good thing. and it just means there is no community spirit and fun. so if excluding you and whs accomplish this so be it. its a game . deal with it.
my term as cp ends tomorrow . so bye now enjoy whatever pursuits you put your energy in.
Yeah, yeah. Last word x ∞
I object to calling this poorly coded MySpace ripoff a game.
How dare you sir.
Utter pathetic and biased article
No word about the abuse directed at me yet somehow you managed to mention when your pathetic ego was bruised by Seth.
And "debunked whs" 🙂 my arse you did...
no abuse was directed at you . just points about your behavior i tend to agree with. i think in most congress threads you try to be a disruption. it was debunked your argument is a total strawman and not built on a grain of logic. debunked is perhaps not the word. in logical terms i think your argument never left the station. its the typical old congress is elected for a thousand terms argument that was so prevalent in the old political dispensation. were seanan was for example made mod 18 times, appleman think mof 13 times etc. even the then cp showed you that it was his doing but you again wouldnt stop scratching the pole to disrupt congress. your a disruption and even though it would be undemocratic i dont think you and perhaps seth should be included in future congress threads. also you act like you won the congress elections that term where you really cant be considered the dial majority leader. what is your percentages 20%
I appreciate the time spent to show how utterly ridiculous and petty some of us can be. I include myself. He makes a good point about the topics being buried.
Congratulations fenoglioteam.