CSD Sells Out Canada In Exchange For Attempted Political Gain
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by Augustus Baldwin
Citizens,
I feel as though it is important to put to rest a recent out and out lie that Cottus Arci, the head of the Canadian Social Democrats, is trying to sell to the public. The CSD has supported the principles of the National Preservation Act from the very beginning, yet are merely now trying to pretend as if they didn't. Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden the CSD now posts everything in French? How they have decided they are the "friends" of the separatists? Recently Cottus Arci posted in a pro-separatist thread the following:
"And for the recor😛
I'm against this act. I'm of the belief foreign takeovers are an illegal, illegitimate act, but this is not the case."
http://www.erepublik.com/forum-topic-61412-20.html
This is a bold claim by Mr. Arci, considering his public stance in the Canadian Congress. Allow me to show you a quick excerpt of that debate. The following came immediately after the ORIGINAL text of the NPA:
Cottus Arci on Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:34 pm
"Salute to that... but declaring these people terrorists... oh god... absolutely no, no, no."
Augustus Baldwin:
"ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Eric Boucher |
Aug 17, 2008 02:04
cottus
, a takeover can be make by more then one country ... but be relax
anyway , it's not for now Razz it's only if democraty dont work.
This is going to vote tommorow (and to the public in a minute), so oppose it at your own peril. Anyways Cottus, how did you get in here? Your not a member of this body are you?"
"Cottus Arci:
I'm a Member of the Cabinet.
Here are my proposed amendments;
5) Either upon registration or using a moving ticket, any Citizen joining eCanada is agreeing to live under the governance of the eCanadian Government, bound by the eCanadian Constitution and all other relevant laws at the time.
6) Any activity that involves seeking the assistance foreign powers to break up a united eCanada & it's 13 provinces is deemed an act of treason and citizens in breach of this activity shall be deemed "foreign invaders" themselves."
Augustus Baldwin:
"So we just replace the words "criminal and traitor" with "foreign invaders"?
The two of them have already acted in a way that would make your #6
apply to them. What we are saying is essentially the same thing, but
the problem is you phrase it in a way that makes them no longer
Canadians. Essentially my way establishes that the two of them ARE
Canadians, but that they have betrayed Canada, and that we will take
them back. You want to label them no longer Canadians and therefore how
would we bring them back into society? This Act isn't meant to punish
them, as your new wording would imply, by stripping them of
citizenship. It is supposed to act to coerce them to come back into the
fold.
And CHAOS are not traitors or guilty of treason, they just have a different
CANADIAN political ideology. These separatists have acknowledged they are
willing to destroy Canada to get what they want...."
Cottus Arci:
Hang on, I thought Ministers could discuss... but just weren't allowed to vote (as the forums are set up so Cabinet Minister can view/reply in the Congress). Has this changed? Or I am not remembering right?
And yes, I'm purely against the words "terrorist" & "terrorism". I truly feel those words don't have a place here in eRep. That's all.
So as you can see, Cottus Arci was clearly NEVER against the NPA. In fact he simply wanted to change the wording in a way that would not punish Bruno Tremblay and Eric Boucher, but banish them. The CSD does not care about Canada, they do not care about democracy or Quebec, they merely wish to get elected and have shown they will say and do anything towards that end. Can we really trust anything Cottus Arci says?
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Interesting read, voted.
Non mais tes le pires manipulateurs que possède le Canada?!
fiouf... Non mais dort un peu, tes toujours connecté au jeu comme ça?
Prend un break ou va travailler non?
Il fait beau dehors aujourd\'hui en plus! 🙂
Yes Bruno, I\'m always around. The wonderful thing about being a MA student is that I am always doing \"research\" and by \"research\" I mean I am always somewhere with my laptop procrastinating. 14 hour days of \"research\" equals 2 hours of actual productivity.
This is the biggest load of horse feed I\'ve ever seen. What sparked your reasons to start up this articles. Why not give somebody a chance in the community and wait... If all seems to goto hell, vote against the party, that\'s all. For one, you get completely harrassed by the France and Quebec conflict. Y\'know, who cares if they join us but only if they can abide by a few rules between the language barriers. Such a radical being because you don\'t want to make history, sad very sad.
Robert what does that have to do with Cottus being a bold faced liar and in fact more \"oppressive\" than myself? He literally did EXACTLY what he said he didn\'t do, almost in the exact words.
This is a serious breach of national security, BTW.
This is shocking.
No Kerozine, Congressional debate is a public forum (hence CSPAN and Canada\'s parliamentary TV). We have already established in the Congress that anything said in debate is fair game in the press.
Then why does the typical eCanadian citizen have NO ACCESS to those forums?
And STOP referring to RL counterparts/anything to do with.
*shrugs* I don\'t know, but Norsefire plans to change that in its platform working towards a more transparent government, so things like this can\'t happen where candidates just out and out lie to voters. If we win in Sept Cottus wont be able to do this anymore, nor will anyone else.
Cottus is desperate for some attention, the day he gains leadership is the day this games gets boring again.
My stance hasn\'t changed....
- I\'m against foreign powers attempting takeovers on our nation.
- I\'m of the belief the Pakistani\'s jumped in on this, simply because they like to cause trouble, and find it hilarious when people like Augustus \"Knew Jerk\" Baldwin take it so seriously.
- I\'m of the belief Eric Boucher & Parti Quebecois will attempt the diplomatic, fair way, using our electoral system. If they win the elections and turn Quebec into it\'s own state, it\'s because the people of Canada want it so. I respect that.
- I\'m of the belief Eric Boucher & Parti Quebecois will not resort to foreign takeover tactics.
- However, if they do attempt such a manoeuver using foreign powers, I regard it as an unethical, illegitimate act.
My initial amendments were just that... initial. Of course, it was pointed out to me that while I had Congress read/reply access, I shouldn\'t have it. Hence I did not read the thread again.
Oh and my salute, was because Banach had too saluted the notion that Canada spilled it\'s own blood when liberating Quebec during the War of Nave\'s Toe.
And now that is said.
Augustus, this attempt at tarnishing my good name is nothing short of disgusting. I\'m actually considering dropping you from my proposed Cabinet lineup.
Copying & pasting discussion from Congress is completely out of order.
This is just another example of Augustus\' muck raking. There is no real point to this article except to try and make Cottus look bad.
Before we had him backhandedly insulting myself, and pretty much anyone else that disagreed with him. Fine, that\'s internal. Then he\'s making fun of, and insulting foreign diplomats in the country, generally being a poor representative of this government. And now we have him trying to drag fellow Cabinet members through the mud for no apparent reason other than petty spite.
I\'m all for having dissenting opinions within the party and/or Congress, but can the Norsefire Party continue to seemingly rubber stamp his actions if this trend continues?
@Cottus: you clearly stated you did not consider this case to be a foreign political takeover, yet your amendments specifically call Bruno and Eric FOREIGN INVADERS. You can try to spin this all you want, but you still have access to the Congressional discussion, so does all your party leadership, and no one from the CSD has ONCE raised any objections to the Act. Its just more Cottus Arci lies. The CSD \"opposes\" it yet does nothing to actually \"oppose\" it. And save me the \"I\'ll drop you from my cabinet\" threat. This just in: Your NOT President and don\'t have a cabinet....
@Soulscode: I literally stated before Cottus continued I would be making the debate public to no objections, and I literally stated in a thread earlier in Congress that I would make Congressional debate public to no objections. And I am not in the cabinet like you say, and Cottus is not in the Congress, so please try and hold your tongue. Me pointing out clear lies in not \"muck racking\" its \"fact checking\". By your logic we should all just shut up and not say anything when we see something bad happen! As I said before, if I gave gifts to orphans you would accuse me of wasting gifts.
You\'re not too bright are you? He wanted the proposal to say FOREIGN INVADERS, not terrorists.
I dare you Augustus. Actually quote Cottus calling these 2 terrorists, and I\'ll join Norsefire and be your loyal lapdog forever. I\'m that confident.
Yes, we oppose it. What will we do to oppose it? Hmm.... vote to reject it? Nothing more we can do than that, and nothing we can do until the bill appears in the Congress Voting hall.
\"Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden the CSD now posts everything in French?\"
SHOCK HORROR!
We\'re attempting to make our Quebecois brothers feel a part of eCanada by posting bilingually. Does that make us terrorists too?
Thank you Darkness, finally someone sees the light! The argument has never been about if Cottus called anyone terrorists, its whether he believed this case was a foreign takeover! He claimed in public he didn\'t, I show quotes saying he did, Cottus denies this, Darkness agrees with MY quotes and contradicts Cottus. Whew, for once I am happy to see the CSD come out.
Many communication problems. Although I highly doubt this is the case, Augustus, I must admit someone might argue that you are almost twisting the quotes yourself... but once again, that person could just as easily agree with you. Oh well 🙂
Btw, I think terrorism is, in a way, part of eRepublik. If someone wanted to overthrow governments and send the economy into a down spiral, I\'d think that you could probably call that person a terrorist, even if they aren\'t sparking \"terror\" rather than \"extreme anger\" in others from the response 🙂. To the definition you presented, it is harder to make that connection, but threats are still possible in eRepublik, as seen above...
However, I myself have seen that Cottus has contradicted himself, jumping from agreeing to disagreeing with an idea as it suits him. In one article he said one thing, the next the exact opposite. Thus I can conclude that this article only furthers that concept, and so I believe it.