Countering idiocy: An answer for Colin
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by TheJuliusCaesar
Apparently these "Asteria killed the game" things weren't discussed enough back in spring, as Colin wrote about the issue today. Might have something to do with the fact that as those currently on the winning side were, during the spring, forging relations, building strategy and cooperating to attain objectives, Colin here was nowhere to be found.
But now he's back with his MasterCard. And blaming those who actually played the game to win it for winning the game somehow via nebulous means, or at least with nebulous consequences. It is kind of thick, coming from someone whose sole and only weapon in this game is his bank account. No strategy. No building relations with diplomatic means. No cooperation. Just throwing money at battles when he feels like it, after which he again disappears for a year to leave those who were foolish enough to believe in his promises to get destroyed due to lack of plans, lack of friends, lack of strategy.
What do you think that happens to the nations and players following him after he quits again or stops throwing money at problems? They get wiped, because they got no long term plans. Only a temporary thrill supported by Colin's funds. Is that what he's after of?
Apparently, for him, playing the game is bad. We're the evil ones. Apparently, for him, throwing money away with no plans is good. You're the heroes.
To quote Colin: "Don't like hearing it? I don't care, it's true and everybody knows it."
If the so called anti-Asteria wants to be on the winning side some day, perhaps they should actually take a look in the mirror to figure out what went wrong and then do something about it. In fact, I've even written a handy guide for them on how to not proceed with it. Just flip it around and do the opposite. Feel free to use it. It truly is a marvelous sight to see how Colin, with his incessant but sporadic money-throwing, just destines the bloc he proclaims to be leading into an everlasting wipe.
I wonder how does it feel to know he's only prolonging the status quo instead of breaking it. To have a long term change, build the long term change. Develop a strategy, engage in diplomacy, act on it. Don't just continue to do as you've done for years with no hope.
It is funny quoting Colin, as it applies to his lot so well. In fact, I couldn't have said it any better: "You guys can wreck it all or you can accept that [your] game needs to change. I know there are risk for you.. but it ends soon like it is now."
Feel free to wreck it, to throw money on battles. Or then realise your game needs to change. It is risky for you, I agree, but with current attitude and lack of plans it will end just as before.
Actions have consequencs, own it Colin.
- Caesar
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Get your popcorn here lads.
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How comes you can talk on behalf of asteria? lol
Well he is the new leader of Adminlandia since i am enjoying RL ( WTF/ZOMG)
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It seems the losers will never understand what's wrong with them.
Until their bank account is empty
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Players broke militarny module xd
Platon came to fix it xdxd
Being mature and consistent is stupid xdxdxd
"...they should actually take a look in the mirror what went wrong and then do something about it."
You know the fact that once Poland was opposite side with Serbia. Then suddenly they decided to dump the whole alliance instead of fighting for it. Then they played neutral for some time trying to build their relationship with Serbia and Romania etc. Then they joined Pacifica, then they blocked the only chance of balancing this game by vetoing Adriatica and Turkey. At least we tried but you cannot do anything about it if some countries alienating you for no reason. Making MPP with %80 of the countries leaves no other choice to others.
I am glad of the new update of MPP deployment, it offers some disincentives to not hoard 80% of world's damage. Hope they make it permanent.
That said, Poland did what it did. It did have short to mid term consequences of being on the winning side. Long term? I don't know, but I am sure they have taken that into account.
Thanks for the input, as always.
I don't judge Poland because of what they did for their own interests. But I wanted to state here that sometimes whatever you do you cannot change the situation. Most of the Anti-Asteria called countries are trapped right now.
Just agree to disagree, then. It surely is a rocky road, but by no means impossible.
Vote.
"Asteria killed the game" is one sided statement. What if I say: Anti-Asteria are killing the game cuz they are not organized enough to fight back.
At the start of the game we made a lot of friends (despite we was weak and almost wiped out), invited a lot of people to the game via famous news sites, and the table was turned. It sounds easy. Just a little organization needed.
Having been there to guide a small alliance of few small nations called Asgard back few years ago, I definitely do know that diplomacy is a hard route, but it is possible and usually pays off.
I know it's not that easy. I just wanted to say some encouraging words. And top of that it's true 🙂
I think you are a little harsh on Colin about his strategy - he DOES have diplomatic ideas and tried to bring people together.
I've yet to witness something else than "let's support RW's here and attack there because we got money for it now".
I mean tactics, sure, about what to do and where, but strategy, why to do it and what to achieve and what are the consequences of those actions? Not so much. I feel bad for those throwing their whole fate on Colin's back.
I'm talking about bigger scale diplomacy, in terms of alliance building or trying to hold bickering allies together.
Seems like his diplomatic skills are rather lacking, then. I mean, consciously taking a stance against whole Pacifica and whole Asteria is not going to make nations in there to feel any more sympathetic towards Colin or his "side".
Again, just deepening the trenches and huddling (or trying to huddle) closer with the losing bloc that has been on the weaker side for years is not going to make the side stronger, no matter how you twist it. A prime example of this was Andes. After Syndicate broke into internal rift, what did the remnants do? Did they try to build bridges to elsewhere and change the fabric of the alliance system?
No. They decided it would be wise to form a weaker Syndicate 2.0. The chances that a weaker form of a lost alliance gaining dominance are exactly 0. Yet they still keep doing it.
I am curious, how does Colin think he is to build a winning team without Pacifica or Asteria?
I'm not involved in any diolomacy now so I couldn't tell you; I'm only speaking about my experiences with him.
Fair enough. Thanks for your input regardless, always happy to disucss these things with anyone willing, either here or on PM's.
Indeed TJC, when Mexico was in Pluto and Adriatica, Colin worked on getting countries together and forging a common policy, sadly there were people who prefered to kick Macedonia and Bulgaria out of the antiAsteria side.
Sure. I got no first hand info about that. Just observing the current setting. Perhaps he lost his skills?
he does have some points. take away Greece and what would you have on the opposing side?
that being said i do think countries that rely on him soon find out his fickle nature.
he may not be the answer but then again beating your opponents mercilessly ain't either.
he does have some points. take away Greece and what would you have on the opposing side?
that being said i do think countries that rely on him soon find out his fickle nature.
he may not be the answer but then again beating your opponents mercilessly ain't either.
That's pretty much the thing: if there's no one on the opposing side, the change comes naturally. Perhaps we'd see internal divisions magnifying or then something else.
Arbitrarily some nations playing worse is not going to be a tenable solution. The change comes naturally, when there's an incentive and a chance for it. Currently? No. AntiAsteria deepens their trenches and doesn't even seek avenues for change. Hopefully they at some point realise what are they doing. Colin certainly doesn't help it.
Hopefully recent MPP change affects too.
It seems to me that Colin is the only one that knows that this is a game, and he plays it the way he wants to enjoy it. What's the big fus about it?
I think it pretty much the vice versa. I am, and I trust Asteria is too, playing the game as we want and seems like it works rather well, and yes we are enjoying it. Colin then comes and moans about how we play it wrong and kill it by playing it.
Sure, one is free to throw money at problems, but it is short-sighted at best. Colin's objective seems to be to get rid of the current alliance system, yet his actions right now are pretty much prolonging the current context.
Thanks for the input!
the problem when we begin relying on a person with a credit card saving your arse is that your game does not improve. for example peru v ireland.
etc etc. it is too unpredictable. it is also not a healthy relationship between small country and colin.
nobody forces anyone to rely on them.
The only difference between ours and their goals is that we have fulfilled our own
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Some of your points are fair, some aren't..
I'm not going to spend a lot of time arguing with people here or there. I said what I thought and if you read it you'd see that I didn't actually blame Asteria for all the problems in the eworld. I pointed out what they could do right now to help change it.
It was never my strategy in the past.. rl work makes my leading full time impossible. But I have been gone a while and none of these natural changes you claim have just happened on their own, nor will they.
It's easy to claim coordination and planning when you have 75% of the dmg and the opposing side is completely wrecked, that dmg hides your dysfunction. Peru was a completely random and unplanned thing, as it seems many are. They would have won easily by the old rules.. it's nothing but a result of all the big countries being on the same side. But pat yourselves on back, sure.
At this point, given our two very different positions.. it is a bit dishonest to claim changing things is so simple.I don't claim to be the answer and we tried to go a different route than all the others have in the past.
We'll see..
The tone in the article is pretty combative, yeah.
I read your article and then wrote my own to say how I feel. I believe the core thing is that why should those who are currently winning stop their winning to help changing the situation where they are winning if those losing are not doing anything to change it themselves. I'm not going to consciously play worse because I played better earlier and "my side" is currently having the upper hand.
I fully understand not everyone has the time to hang around in erep continuously. And no, the natural change will not happen if there are no conditions where it can happen. Namely, if those against Asteria and Pacifica are not willing to forge relations with any nations on Asteria and Pacifica, there really is no hope to get any change. Currently your actions are enforcing this, effectively prolonging the status quo. I don't obviously know what happens behind the scenes, but the public picture you've advanced is what I described above.
No structure is permanent, no matter how tightly it is established by current actors. Current setting surviving to the date is not a proof of change not happening in any setting, but a proof how the actions of the current actors have and currently are prolonging the setting in question. About this I've written extensively, some of things linked in this article.
I have led an alliance with 3% of world's damage in the past, called Asgard. Yet we weren't continuously wiped, and even reached bonuses Sweden and Finland haven't since been able to achieve. Why? Because we spent months building our connections, our diplomacy, our strategy. I feel it is not dishonest to claim a change can happen, as my own experiences and general history of erep say otherwise.
It is a rocky road, but it is possible,and inevitable for AntiAsteria to get anywhere from the current setting.
I greatly appreciate you took the time to answer, thank you.
The fact that so many Asterians and pro Asterians are taking so much time to exculpate is such a proof that they clearly know what they are doing to the game, that no further proof is needed.
"Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta"
Colin should not spend money on the game, the change we need is shutdown.