Congrats Patti11+why i dont support h.nelson running+tips to be a good cp
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srg91
If you guys were active on the media these few days, you would have seen my continuous comments and "trolling" on H.Nelson running for CP, under my party, Australian Independents.
Many of you guys would wonder why am I so against H.Nelson, or who is this guy.
First let me introduce myself for the new guys.
I am Srg91, and I have been in eAustralian Politics for about 6 month now. I have seen Patti11, Tim09, Aussie-Vegeta, Ranger Bob, Scotywest and lastly but not least, Melchizedek Smith (i can never spell his name 🙁
) as CP
My serving record has been 2 time senator, Minister of Finance, Minister of Foreign Affair, Minister of Defense and Sol representative for 2 terms now.
This article will be used to compare H.Nelson to some of the previous CPs of eAustralia, if you look past the actual H.Nelson issue, you should be able to find a guide of how to become a CP.
There are 4 major reasons why I am against H.Nelson running-
Before I go into why I am against Nelson's run, lets have a look at how the CPs of the past.
All of the CP in the past served sometime as a Cabinet minister,
Patti11 served pretty much all the external roles, MoD, MoFA before moving onto CP.
Tim09 served sometime as Minister of Finance and was more of an economical CP
Aussie-Vegeta served as MoI for atleast 2 terms
Ranger Bob - 2* MoD and 1 time MoF
Scotywest - 3* MoI, MoD and MoFA
Mel - Served as deputy prime minister before stepping up after scotywest.
H.Nelson on the other hand has served 0 times in cabinet.
Reason 1:
Now what does all this mean? Many players have always wanted the CP medal in this game, they often think that its given to the "choosen" few. Whilst it is correct, the "choosen" few had to work harder to get into a position to obtain that CP medal. These players give up alot of time to make a country work better both internally and externally. Straight from my head, War games, Hospitals, monitoring the trading markets, government ran companies, alliance, international affairs and back in the days, liberating qld, SA and Tas talks with eIndo are the few that comes to my mind right now. (currently its the WA talks)
These roles are usually shared around in a Cabinet each term between a selected group of players. You will find that the majority of CPs actually give out a hand to other departments during their Cabinet time, thus have a greater overall knowledge of how every department works.
To simplify things, a CP's job is to make sure each cabinet does their job well. In order to do that, a CP must be familiar with a majority of the departments and how it should be operated. How to be familiar with the majority of the cabinets? You must serve in it. It is as simple or as complicated as that.
Moving onto reason 2:
Cabinet list:
A Cabinet list says a lot about a candidate, when I mean alot, I mean just about everything. Forget about a CP's Manefesto, it could be the eworld's best idea, but with an incompetent Cabinet, it is bound to fail.
The important thing behind a Cabinet list is the ratio of new players and veterans, as well as understanding the roles of every Cabinet minister.
I divide the cabinet into 2 sections: External and Internal
External means that these players touches more towards the international aspect of a country whilst internal means it touches on the internal aspect of a country
External are usually Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Defence, Deputy CP and CP.
Internal are usually Minister of Industry, Minister of Finance, Ministers of Cultural Service, Ministers of Information and Minister of Immigration, Customs and Security
When looking as an proposed cabinet, it is important to understand that ratio of new bloods and veterans is important. For example, if you have veterans in all the internal departments and new bloods in the external department, the CP should expect strong internal policies and weaker external policies.
Lets take a look at Patti's Cabinet, Mel's Cabinet and H. Nelson's Cabinet:
Before going into's Patti's or H.Nelson's Cabinet, My understand in that Mel is keeping his Cabinet and making little adjustments. This would make his Cabinet a stable cabinet whilst adding a few new bloods into the mix.
Patti11's Cabinet click here
aside from Gareth Irwin,
the rest of the cabinet full of coming up Veterans (eg Timeoin, DeanKong, Xavier Darkmyre, Remi (I love you) and Jonnathan Brown), Lord Rhidon (he served cabinet in ireland) and Chris Stanwick (he served cabinet in USA)
with myself Garven Dries, XG, Newt G, Vorodor and eGod (Zaney) as the Veterans of the team.
Oh and Patti himself (but he doesnt count 😛
)
This is an Balanced Cabinet with new guys, experienced players and veterans, despite what many others players say, I think patti has done a wonderful job with selecting an interesting cabinet to work with.
Note: Lord Rhidon and Chris stanwick can arguely be new bloods to eAustralian cabinet
Now look at H.Nelson's Cabinet: Click Here
First of all, I cant even find the deputy CP, if eAustralians are to vote for you , I think they should know who your second man is and lets pray its not Australian Warlord. Also, wait? you have more then 1 dCP? Are you adding icey1174 into the mix as well? I hope not.
Now lets move onto the cabinet:
I can count only 2 coming up Veteran and thats Iwarrior1 and Listhp Tomptos (served in UK)
the rest are new bloods. No joke, it honestly appears to be a weak cabinet with no veterans to guide them. Seriously, if you dont like me H.Nelson, thats cool, but surely add Vorodor into the mix, or Mel, or Patti or I don't know, but there are alot of veterans and you need atleast one or two since you are a new blood yourself.
Like Chris stanwick and lord rhidon, Listhp Tomptos fits into the new blood into eAustralian cabinet
Reason 3: communication
Communication is an important aspect of the game. An unspoken rule of being in Cabinet is to be active and to be on IRC. Seriously, that chat program is a must for any successful CP. A lot of the veterans always use IRC to communicate information and if you wanna rise the ranks, IRC is literally the only way to go. CP and Cabinet are usually busy and we dont have the time to look for potentials, you need to come on IRC and stay there so we can get to know you on a more personal level.
All past CPs has been active on IRC each day, giving at least 3-5 hours a day on it just chatting to Cabinet and citizens alike.
I havnt seen H.Nelson on IRC at all. I dont know how his going to talk to eIndo players about WA region release but from experience IRC is literally the only way to go.
Another way to tell a player's activity is on the forums.
You can usually tell a player;s activity by the number of post they made.
Total Post count for all eAustralian users
Between Patti11, Mel and H.Nelson,
Patti has 950+ total post count (4+ posts a day)
Mel has 550+ Post count (4+ posts a day)
H.Nelson has 139 post count as of date. (2+ posts a day)
Activity? I think the 4+ post a day players win for sure 🙂
Last Reason: Concept of AI
The Australian Independants is not a Party. I am from AI and I do not agree with H.Nelson running. You will find that A LOT of the older/more experienced players from AI are against H.Nelson's run and with a vote of 7 against and 12 for, its can barely be called the super majority. He ignored all of the experienced players and ran under AI anyways. Turning us into a party. For the older players, StewartB version 2 is here
Thank you for your time
Srg91
Angry and disappointed AI member
Comments
srgmaxxx
Lol. I didn't read it. All I know is you spelt Mel's name right 😛
I copied it from Political stats
srgmaxxx
good article me thinks
My post count is so low cos I have been away for a month 😛
i read it but didn't get it
Very good article. Two clickers who think h nelson is pure awesome just because he can write a newspaper as his sole contribution to eAus must read 🙂
Great article, srg! Thanks so much for the insight. Voted!
Sorry to say my post count is bigger then theres 😛 woot! 1234!!
Heyhey H.Nelson I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Dean Kong is the most undeserving PM of all time
SRGMAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 😛
Smacked right on the nail head srg. Wonderful read.
H Nelson has never been in Cabinet before and has no experience in running a government. In addition, he lacks the communication quality on IRC and on the forums..
Well I have to congratulate you on what I think is the first ever CP smear campagin in eAustralian History.
I've said it on our AI forums and I will say it again, eAustralia is a democractic country, stop being scared of people running and excersizing their right or you might as well take away all our rights all together and declare that only people who chat in IRC can run for CP.
I think everyone should relax a little, grow up a little and have a little more fun.
Terrible article. This is an attempt by the old guard to protect their own, not for the sake of the country, but for the sake of themselves. Srg has spent the last week trolling the Independent forums, accusing new players of being multi's without any evidence to stand upon.
Furthermore, I can't believe the amount of negativity against Nelson. He legitimately won the pre-selection amongst the independents over Mel, and he therefore is a legitimate candidate for the election. Srg can whine as much as he wants, but I think many people realise that Nelson is a top bloke and would make a great PM.
2. “I havnt seen H.Nelson on IRC at all.”
You did respond to this statement. Have another attempt.
1. You are asking eAustralia to vote for you without knowing your second man/men, I can not find your dCP at all and I am not lieing.
2. I dont remember our chats and I think i saw you once or two times.
I have donated gold for that thingo too, whats your point
and Would you like me to dig up your past H.Nelson? What I did was right and I have no regret behind it.
3. Wrong, you turned us into a Party, I do not support you can as Candidate and either does alot of the AI (judging by the 12-7 vote).
Are you asking players like myself to leave?
4. "There are veterans in the cabinet"
I see plural, give me afew vets please.
@Gabriel, you just want the money 🙂.
I am not an old guard btw, im a new guard. The old guard are the likes of Cottus, zaney Patti, scotywest, XG, derek and so on.
I am apart of the new guard.
"but I think many people realise that Nelson is a top bloke and would make a great PM."
We let the election find out shall we 😛
Srg91, you are not just hating Nelson due to your hate of the AI party are you? And at least AI does not rig the internal vote unlike some others.
I am apart of the AI aurora Nights 😛
how's it going, been a while 😃
I don't agree with the comments about rewarding the old guard for old times sake - this is a growing community and fresh ideas and approaches should be embraced on their merit. Nepotism leads to decay - it is competition that makes a vibrant community.
"but I think many people realise that Nelson is a top bloke and would make a great PM."
Sorry I dont think many think his a top bloke from what I see.. Lack of votes in his manifesto and a staggering amount of 46 votes in less than 2 hours on this article.
"Srg91, you are not just hating Nelson due to your hate of the AI party are you?"
the Australian Independents Party is not suppose to be a Party. It is a place where people can run for Senate if they dont fit into any other party such as ADSP or ANP. H Nelson has transformed it into a party..
Well, I wouldnt mind if H Nelson gets elected.. Theres still an "Impeach" button in my Country Administration window. 😃
What it all boils down to is that we are a democracy and as such: Democracies always get the leader they deserve.
Interesting article. It would be interesting to see where this election goes and what it brings to eAustralia.
Let me help illustrate;
zaney - 1x Prime Minister, leader of Australian Resistance for 8 months.
Cottus Arci
- 2x Canadian Prime Minister
- 1x Deputy Prime Minister
- Approx. 5x Cabinets in Canada & Australian Resistance
Derek Apollyon
- 2x Minister of Health in Aus Resistance
- 1x Deputy Prime Minister
Patti11
- 1x Minister of Industry (srg left this out)
Srg91, I agree with you. While I have nothing personal against H Nelson, his articles do not give me confidence in his ability to run our eCountry.
I'm certainly not one of the "old guard" that wants to keep newer people from power. I simply want our countries leaders to have the ability to lead, and to choose cabinet that can also do their jobs.
People who are PM, deputy PM or cabinet especially need to be active on both forums and IRC. It's imperative for fast communication between offices and for international talks. Very few of the proposed cabinet are active enough, I believe.
To someone who's completely new to this game like me, this article may seem biased and not objective; however, after a little bit of reading over the last few days I have to agree with the majority of points made by Srg91. My vote would go to patti11.
A fair enough article. I agree with some points.
I would hardly label myself New Blood.
In the unlikely event Nelson gets elected, it'll sure make for an amusing few days.
If you vote for H.Nelson, eAustralia loses.
Jaybay wouldnt do it, so why would you?
Srg, think about it.
An independant PM having independant Cbnt members.. ("new bloods")
makes sence no?
The "Old Guard" are the ones in power for a reason, most have more than six months of experience (some vastly more). They have been with our nation through thick and thin and they have grown very proficient at their jobs.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not supporting some kind of "Old Boys Club" where the IRC elite exclusively governs eAustralia. But change for the sake of change is stupid (and dangerous) and we can't afford to squander our human resources.
There are avenues for inexperienced/younger players to experience the political side of the game. The "Old Guard" hardly have a stranglehold on power.
>my party
lol
A vote for H Nelson is a vote for Icey.
😛
I myself don't have any issues with the either the criticisms Srg is making, nor the defence that Nelson's putting up, although I must admit the choice of Cabinet was a big one for me, and one that really changed things for me.
@ SRG91, you weren't accused of "Trolling H.Nelson". Re-read my posts. You were accused of acting like (in the original eytomoligcal sense meaning Donkey) an Ass by "Trolling" newer players.
You might be old guard. Great. Good for you. You also acted like a tard and got called on it. Man up and move on - How about you stop putting the word "Troll" in quotation marks when describing your behaviour, because you were out of line there matey. To turn around and apologise on the forums before implying out here that any criticism of your behaviour was unjustified doesn't speak well to your character.
Now that that's been said, pretty good article which at least contributes intelligently to the discussion. Voted. 🙂
"You might be old guard"
Srg91 is not an old guard. He is considered part of the New Guard. The old guard consists of Cottus Arci, Derek Appollyon, br0adside and etc.. Most have retired and moved on elsewhere.
I dont see any problem with srg91 ranting his own ideas about a fellow CP candidate. He is protecting the country from allowing any inexperience player take the reigns of the country.
"Srg91 is not an old guard. He is considered part of the New Guard."
I stand corrected, my apologies. You wouldn't know it from the way he was talking.
"I dont see any problem with srg91 ranting his own ideas about a fellow CP candidate. He is protecting the country from allowing any inexperience player take the reigns of the country."
Nor do I.
I see a real problem with having a go at new players and calling them sheep just because they have low post counts on a single forum. Then when he's called out on trolling them and acting like a tard in that respect (and only that respect), to apologise then imply protestation at being called out as if that's unfair here where people might not have the visibility into the reason why he was called out in the first place?
Sorry, that's further Fail right there. When he posted his apology on the AI forums I thought "Cool, that's that, we can move on." Since then every time he's felt the need to imply that he was somehow hardly done by a pack of rampant fanboi's, when the truth was he simply didn't have his weapon zero'd before he started putting rounds downrange.
Also hes in the group - Presidents who accidentally declare war 🙂
"Also hes in the group - Presidents who accidentally declare war 🙂"
Actually I find that Lulzy and Awesome. 🙂
I'd be surprised if there were any real and serious or irreperable consequences regarding that. And again, I don't have a problem with anything else Srg or anyone else disagreeing with Nelson has said or done that I've been witness to. In fact, I agreed with them about his Cabinet and Manifesto and withdrew my support for his platform (see Nelson's Manifesto article).