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I was forced to stifle a very coy smile @ that last sentence. Thank you Rico.

well Brazil are now missing out on several resources since they lost NC. I say we give it back & follow through on the contract since Brazil is the only nation that borders us so their is no worry of invasion for us so MPP not that much needed other than to fight but moving over to a Brazil territory(Natal for instence) from eSA territory cost only a few ZAR so no big loss to citizens.

Those MPP's will have to be signed again and unless they've changed the rules that will cost us a buttload of gold.

pretty sure they cost currency now

Even if it´s currency, it still costs money. But I think they still cost gold.

MPP cost money (ZAR)

That's good news!

Now let's just hope Brazil are friends and not greedy occupiers.

"Oh, I spent tremendous amounts of food and Q5's fighting for the resistance. But I'm a civilian and in no way connected to the government."

Oh, so you fought AGAINST eSA? Some 'patriot' you are...

@Stryke: That would have been a 'great' comment if the article had been about me. Way to miss the issue.

Maybe we should re-open Loco's old forum thread about congressmen fighting for the enemy?

"Maybe we should re-open Loco's old forum thread about congressmen fighting for the enemy?"

...Uh.....don't know what that has to do with anything, but ok....

Why don't you read it? - http://forums.erepubliksa.com/politics/is-it-ok-to-fight-for-ehungary-if-you-are-a-congress-man/

You weren't quite as opinionated back then but maybe that is because I'm a civilian and should just do what the government tells me?

*Reads through own post, sees entirely-different-scenario-that-has-no-relevance-to-this-scenario, closes link*

So you proved....what?

I just find it ironic that you fight 'for' eSouth Africa, but you're actually fighting against it, is all.

Can anyone provide more information about this: "Now if they really are allies they wouldn't force us to drop all our MPP's just so they could have NC back, would they?"

Did Brazil asked us to drop any of our alliances for a "peaceful" return of NC to them?

Belea, there is no way to return the region to Brazil without either one of us losing our mutual MPPs. It will require a declaration of war unless the plan before congress is approved to counter the actions of the One sympathisers.

Actually, there's something being discussed now in National Assembly(which Shiloh DeGreat as a eUS citizen can see and comment in) that could counter that, Miya...

Unfortunately, Rico resigned from eSAAF despite what his avatar indicates, so I can't discharge him for disobeying standing orders.

Well firstly Brazil aint Forcing us to do anything. But in terms of the agreement we must return the lost region at a convenient time to both parties. Also Brazil in a public Article have thanked us for attempting to defend their loss of Northern Cape. Article can be read here: OdA] Thanks to eSA > http://tinyurl.com/toeSA

Frankly no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Much respect to DB for their past actions. Some of them resigned from the South African Military stating and I Quote " I will return if my opinions about the Brazzos are proven wrong or our foreign policy takes a different turn,whichever comes first.Dignity First, Dignity Forever!" Now if you guys constantly try and fight against BRAZIL you effectively not even giving them a chance to change your opinion of them. Actually u aggravating the situation unnecessarily.

It then becomes clear you do not have eSA's best interest in mind based on the fact you are not allowing Brazil or eSA the opportunity to strengthen their relationship. By fighting against Brazil is an attempt to sabotage our agreement. You should know its highly unfair one everyone that would like to build relations with Brazil.

I truly believe u guys are better than this, if not i would be totally surprised to be honest. Last thing if u truly don't like Brazil move to a country that is at war with them and fight them to your hearts content without jeopardising eSA any further.

Grim

Awesome article!

I too spent a tremendeous amount of Q5´s and GOLD in that battle. I managed to put in about 400k worth of damage in the name of Dignity.

Should eSA need to pay for new MPP´s there should be at least some money left from the 300 GOLD/month that our oppressors are paying us in "rent", right? I only ask since I don´t believe that the Brazzos kept that part of our agreement, at least that´s what I´ve heard.

Maybe if you spent less time plotting against your own country and more time actually reading the treaty you would know that Brazil is not required to start paying rent for another month or two.

Seriously you guys are going against what the majority of the the country wants. Your basically terrorists.

Great article! Voted with all my heart. I find it kind of funny that Brazil, those grand braggarts who like to say how eSA is weak and stands no chance against them, actually got their asses kicked in one measly RW. What a joke those clowns are.

But Rico's right, this was bound to happen with or without eSA's support or knowledge, since Brazil is at war, so if they truly do care about being allied with eSA, they'll back off and let eSA straighten the situation out. Both parties should have been prepared for a situation like this. Brazil's enemies and our former allies aren't going to sit back and let the situation stand. I wouldn't if I were them.

As far as the DB's involvement goes, while I appreciate Ryan's compliment, there were no orders in our group and weapons were only handed out to those who asked for them, as is always the case. Those who fought used their own cash and MTs, however, so the DB as a group has no responsibility with what happened, but some individuals in our group most certainly did fight for the resistance, as I'm sure some fought for Brazil.

Some of us in the DB have a different idea about the direction eSA should be going. If the govt. and most citizens don't want us fighting for eSA, we will be happy to move elsewhere. I don't see why eSA would need us around anyway, now that it has their good friend Brazil fighting for it on its own turf.

"Maybe if you spent less time plotting against your own country and more time actually reading the treaty you would know that Brazil is not required to start paying rent for another month or two."

Maybe we could ask daddy for an advance on our allowance?

And as Jizziebooh says, don´t label all DB´ers as terrorists, I saw quite a few of my friends from DB on the recieving end of my Q5 tanks during the endless hours I spent fighting, fighting for what I believe in. I commend them for doing what they believe is right for our country and I still consider them my brothers.

@Jizz: I told you we should have named our little group "Personae non gratae" instead!

Rule of Acquisition #17: "A contract is a contract is a contract."

Great article. Voted and subscribed.

As for adding something wise to the discussion...


Here Brazzos I have something served on a black shield for you🙁_I_)

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Are you a member of the eSAAF, Rico? I'm assuming so since you seem to have a uniform as your icon. Well, just a little bit of info for you: that means you're not a civilian, that means you're a soldier, who is under order from multiple people, including, off the top of my head, the Chief of Staff, Grim, and the Commander-in-Chief, Mr. Wet, whom you have DIRECTLY DISOBEYED BY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY SAID.

Besides, saying Brazil should handle the situation this way, even though it could have been possibly avoided had multiple people, including, not fought for the resistance, is like if my fired inherited a large sum of money from his recently deceased grandmother, and I told him that her should give all the money to me for several reasons, ending it with, "Oh, I murdered your grandmother, by the way, but I'm not a part of your family, so it doesn't matter."

I think it's time I popped by the DB forums

Dignity First

1. He's not part of eSAAF. He was, but resigned some time ago. I doubt anybody who is part of eSAAF fought, and if they did they should be punished indeed.

2. I cannot see any similarity or convenience between your example and what Rico did.

Twilight, I don't even understand that second paragraph...

"DIRECTLY DISOBEYED BY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY SAID."

Aahw.. The young pups are trying to bark at the old wolves, that´s cute. Now run along and let the grownups deal with this!

@zam: It sure is time! You´ve been missed around there!

Dignity Forever!

"Aahw.. The young pups are trying to bark at the old wolves, that´s cute. Now run along and let the grownups deal with this!"

Aww, a blind old wolf who's barking up a tree, so cute.

Although direction is not the same, one good thing has come out of this.....DB is ACTIVE.....P

"Aww, a blind old wolf who's barking up a tree, so cute. "

Did someone say something? Oh, look! Another little pup trying to bark. There, there.. Now take your little pony friend and run along. I´m sure there´s something you two can do, like chase butterflys, or give someone a Brazilian wax job. The two of you seem so eager to please tham anyway.

Good to see that Grimsey hasn't turned on his old friends. People love us when we agree with them, but hate us when we don't. What you pro-Brazil people can't seem to understand is that not all the DB is anti-treaty. Mr. Wet is DB. His VP, Chubbzilla is DB. Dreadnuts and Harrin, both supporters of the treaty, are DB.

You apparently don't realize that when you call us traitors and terrorists you are also calling your president and a good chunk of his cabinet along with some Congress members the same thing. Maybe some of you should do some research before slandering and talking crap about our group. Or you can do as Grimsey and I have done and just agree to disagree and do our own thing.

I was fine with the treaty and moving on to fight and live elsewhere, but now that many have turned to slamming us, you've given me no choice but to come back and fight for our Dignity. We may be small in numbers, but we won't lay down and have people lie about us and call us traitors.

Jizz, lol i think we had the same train of thought. i made a similar comment on strykes article....Great minds ey?

Indeed! See, pro and anti-Brazil people CAN get along. Both just need a little respect. Within the DB, the two sides have gotten along with no problem. I guess I was naive to think that eSA as a whole would be the same way. Good thing we have people like Grim to restore some semblance of sanity.

As much as I've argued with certain members of DB, I've never taken it to a personal level. I take very few things over the internet personally. In some ways, I'm the same as Rico/Jizzie/Uber. I left eSA because I disagreed with policy. As such, I can't call you cowards or traitors or anything of the like; I'm just as guilty.

Good article, voted, but disagree. You're welcome to your opinion, just don't go any try to impeach Mr. Wet. 😛

P.S. Twilight is my multi. I ain't no young pup.

Also, am I still part of DB? I haven't logged in since I left for eUSA. I just kind of figured that since I was distancing myself from eSA, that meant no more DB.

If that doesn't matter, then I'll have you know I've gotten into Supremacy 1914 and would be more than happy to dignify some peeps in some games with you guys.

"Another little pup trying to bark."

D'aw, 2 years is young to you, are you senile as well, blind old wolf?

Of course you are still DB, Shiloh! We are an international org., so it doesn't matter where you live or have citizenship. Just come back to the forum. We also have a DB alliance game in Supremacy that we just started. Bummer you weren't around to join us. Wet and Harrin will hopefully join us in the next game.

"D'aw, 2 years is young to you, are you senile as well, blind old wolf?"

Ehh.. I just started my fourth year in this game, so yes, I consider you a young pup. Now, as I said, go give each other a Brazilian wax so you´re nice and smooth when our oppresors come!

I think Stryke & Loco need to get a room 🙂

"I think Stryke & Loco need to get a room"

Hahahaha.. As long as i don´t have to pick up the bill for it.. I´m shur I could teach him a trick or two!

I'll even Pay for the Room 😛 Need Candles?

Thanks mate!

I guess we could use some candles, and lube, plenty of lube!

Can we put cameras in there too?

Of course we can! Pay per view, maybe?

And then to the obvious question... Who would be the fluffer?

Rico of course!

I don´t need a fluffer in situations like this. We´ll just have to ask Stray Baybe.. I´m shure Rico would be more than willing to step in and help out..

Oh darn! Rico gives the best fluffs in the whole jungle! *Stopms fot angrily on the ground*