Australian Warlord On The eTasmanian RW
Australian Warlord
I'm currently being attacked because I said that I understood the reason why Icey (& others) undertook his actions & refused to condemn him.
Firstly what these people must understand is that there's a difference between understanding why somebody has undertaken something & having a opinion on it. You can understand why someone has done something & support, you can understand why someone has done something & oppose it or you can have something inbetween.
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I'm quite clear in what I say. I attempted to disencourage Icey from undertaking this action & preferred that he didn't undertake it however he's undertaken it. But it's a step too far to demand that I condemn a RW war designed to free a eAustralian state.
This is entirely consistant with what I've said previously in this same topic. For instance a touch under a month ago, there was a campaign by another eAustralian to do a unauthorised RW in eQLD. I refused to endorse it & had public accusations placed against me as a result.
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What I find distasteful is the hysteria that many members of the eAustralian congress has shown on this issue. We see a level of rhetoric that's excessive & unwarranted. In my opinion it really doesn't provide the best image.
Finally in my opinion, if eIndonesia behaves fairly & honourably towards us I see nothing wrong with a agreed transfer. However that's based on eIndonesia actually being fair & honest in it's dealings.
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Voted. Well Written. Agree people sometimes find it hard seeing the difference in seeing other peoples points of view and supporting them. Please maybe take the same approach with Xavier mate. 🙂
I guess that depends on the real motive for starting the RW. Was it really designed to free the region (which was going to happen on Monday under the agreement with eIndo, and I'm sorry to say most people know would fail due to the large divide in the numbers and strengths of the eIndos compared to eAussies), or was it just to cause problems between eAus and eIndo.
To me, I believe it was the latter. This RW was funded by senator Icey1149 (This was confirmed by himself). He knew of our agreements, and he's not a stupid person. I feel this was deceitfully done to cause issues in our relations with eIndo. Why I do not know, but I can see it will have repercussions into the future.
AW I understand your possition 😛
But answer me this, if you understand Icey's possition and as such wont condemn him howcome you are so critical of senators that take the opposite opinion?
And Coppr, you make a fine point since it is obvious Icey would have know this, as for his motive I also have no idea
Aw you werent banned from the senate because of the RW, to be precise you never made a statement of your thoughts of it anywhere from what I know. You were banned because you as usual, u have been rude to eAustralians and have openly attacked them without remorse. Please dont lie about the circumstances. You have aleady had in total 5 warnings and a total sum of 24 hours being out of senate. You had plenty of time to change your ways.
@Coppr - i think your slightly off base there with the motive.
It's unlikely this was ever going to do much damage to the relationship between eAus and eIndo (both sides are smart enough to see it was not a governent sanctioned event)
Far more likely the motive lies in the realm of sowing further discord between the members of congress, and on this front it has worked very well.
There was some mention in previous papers about the fear of a future PTO in eAus - perhaps that future is already here.
@Br0ad - AW was banned for purely emotional reasons by an individual who overstepped his power. That's plain to read within the senate thread.
"You had plenty of time to change your ways."
I've seen that comment in reference to another eAus senator recently, sadly those that make it forget the people of eAus voted these senators into their positions based on their previous behaviour - to change now would be to decieve those people !
Yet you say ur being attacked when there is no sight of it anywhere. Dont create publicity for the sake of it m8.
What a waste of money. Without Indonesian involvement, there is no hope of freeing our regions. There is now a mammoth 300,000 point wall in the RW and there is still a number of hours and a new round of fighting to be had to build the war some more.
How embarrassing for anyone who started the RW or even anyone who supports it. This detracts from the previous governments well negotiated agreement. Leave others to provide constructive answers to the problems that face Australia.
The gold that you have now wasted could have been used to train noobs. Oh well. Some have to learn the hard way.
I must say AW, i much prefer this article to some of your previous ones 😃
@Coppr/Able - I too am left speechless as to what Icey's motives may have been. Both of your points have the potential to be correct. I think everyone must realise that to start a RW is a very significant cost and not one anyone takes lightly. I think the fact that icey has started this WITHOUT consultation of at the very least the senate is a disgraceful act considering he is a senator.
Yes there is the potential for this to harm our relation with eIndo, be it their government or their people. (in either case it could be a massive problem, that we'd have to try and fix).
Considering all this i cannot understand WHY icey has done this, and i would very much like to hear his reasoning on the matter. I think it would make an interesting read...
I agree with Australian Warlord, I can not bring myself to condemn a resistance war.
To the people that hate how AW criticizes others, there is something called a freedom of press. You can't censor his articles. Just because he brings up some sort of problem or controversy you don't like to talk about doesn't mean he's being rude.
Sometimes the truth needs to be said.
I was quite surprised by this RW, and then disappointed to find out that it was carried out by one of our senators. As at TEAM of 40 senators we ought to be working together for the betterment of eAustralia and not do something that may potentially damage foreign relations.
I understand that we want to get our states back ASAP, but there are more appropriate means of getting them back than others.
But before I assume anymore, I'd like to hear what Icey has to say about all this.
@Revolucion Cubana: AW has been in the habit of, lets just say "strongly disliking", any who take a position different than him.
If he expects to be given the "right of free speech," then he should extend the same courtesy to others who disagree with him.
Derek. I've read a few articles and forum posts.. and I've seen how AW handles it. He might come out rude to some people, but let's just stop being pussies about it. If people think they're in the right, then debate back, argue back, stand up for yourself. Don't just go into some little old habit and not confronting issues, which I haven't seen anyone that opposes him do yet.
Well written rebuttal by AW.
Revolution, there's no way to censor the press. We may not vote for an article if we don't like it, but AW is free to write whatever he likes. (of course the admins may have something to say about the content).
If you understand the why of this RW, then I'd like to get some insight.
If Icey was a govt minister, you would have to say he was very poorly advised. As a citizen grown wealthy off the black market, I'm trying to decide between redneck or attention seeker...
Well done, AW. There's no point starting a resistance war without Romania backing you or Indonesia agreeing to it.
I never though I would say this but in reading this article I have gained new respect for you AW. As you most eloquently said,
"What I find distasteful is the hysteria that many members of the eAustralian congress has shown on this issue. We see a level of rhetoric that's excessive & unwarranted. In my opinion it really doesn't provide the best image."
Agreed and Voted
-Pat
I agree with you AW.
While the government has understandably and honourably got to oppose the RW because of the current treaty, to expect us as private citizens to side with the Indonesians against one of our own territories is just plain wrong.
Just because you've got no hope of winning a battle, doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting, just ask the people of R/L East Timor.
If we weren't supposed to fight in unwinnable wars, what is the point of fighting in the Argentinian training war? We get combat experience either way and get to do it with a clean conscience if there is actually something worth fighting for.
Quick question,
Since you knew of a likelyhood of an RW, why was this not reported to the senate?
Did you report to PM?
You have responsibilities as a senate to not only be a voice of those who voted you in, but looking after the welfare and interest of the Nation at large.