Another day in eParadise? WRONG
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by Mitch Rapp
You would say it is just another day in our little eParadise. Nothing wrong, nothing changed, I mean there isn’t anything in our news or any big announcements from the government. Right? WRONG, the UNL has left PEACE and is now alone!!! The biggest decision ever in our history has been made and if you didn’t read the forum (enetherlands.nl) or come on IRC, as many of you don’t, you wouldn’t know this.
We have abandoned our Allies such France, Germany, Brazil and Portugal by leaving PEACE. Telling them that they aren’t good enough to be our friends. These people that voted NO rather have powers like Hungary who are too easily distracted and frankly doing wrong things at the moment (invasion of allied Austria).
Instead of having guaranteed support from our Allies in PEACE we now have promises from countries they don’t have to keep those promises. If something more in their own interest comes up at the same time they will simply ignore us. And people seemed to forget that 6 months Germany and the UK where our enemies. Now they are friends but for how long? Will they still try and protect us then?
Here you can see who you can thank for that: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=3448
Here you can see the discussion that only started after people had already voted. People were unaware that the vote wasn’t just about the charter but it clearly says on the PEACE forum (accessible to anyone) that saying NO to this would mean that you leave PEACE. Something we have done.
http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3430
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it's a shame that we left the new PEACE.
GLD members of Congress voted to remain in PEACE GC, as did I&W members. I appeal to I&W to work with us in GLD to put some commonsense back into eUNL government policy.
Nah, for as long as there is a comment why 'No' is voted something can be done about it. Join http://www.peacegc.org" target="_blank">http://www.peacegc.org for the latest updates about the charter. The charter isn't what makes or breaks the friendship with peace at this moment, since only some Representatives voted for it and now govs&citizens can give a reply about it.
And btw, the last voting can't be representative for the citizens of the United Netherlands, since it is already clear that there is a clear difference of opinion what people were votin for.
A black day.
There are to much rumours about PEACE so congresmembers didnt know why they voted no, also, some just follow what the other party members did.
But the problem is, the no voters didnt come with a alternative. So new work for our President and Prime Minister, to look at 'new' allies. http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=3453" target="_blank">http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php[..]=3453
Considering the last elections of eUNL were a fraud (strategic voting by members of certain parties) I believe every step we are curently taking with regards to stepping out of PEACE is falling into the hands of EDEN.
The end is near....
lets hope not!
ArtemIvanov I spent 2 hours of my free time explaining why we should remain in PEACE, people don't get it, it's like asking BP to disband 🙁
The government have now to inform better us about the other opportunities we could have. It's very important for it to have a better communication about the discussion its members are leading with other countries.
By the way, leaving PEACE don't mean whe abandon our friends... We don't know if they would not leave peace too, because its legal status and its new charter dont seem to agree a lot of its member. Friendship stay above alliance traity and we can stay closer to honnest and loyal nations anyway.
We have now to think together about how we want to go on with such countries. I'm confident in the choices of our people and our representatives.
Artem, the president & Prime were already talking with some people and therefor voted No. Information that other people didn't have and might not agree on.
"We have abandoned our Allies such France, Germany, Brazil and Portugal by leaving PEACE. Telling them that they aren’t good enough to be our friends."
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement.
Congress did not accept the charter. As the charter is not good for our national interest (said so by president ArtemIvanov). Many voted in favour of this charter but died not inform other congress members that it was a good charter. Looks not that good to me. Trinc from GLD and DanielB1989 from I&W, both well informed on the international field, voted against the charter.
I publish a sentence from our private congress debate area:
"If the result is NO, the eUNL will leave PEACE GC."
So I do think the congress members knew that.
"Instead of having guaranteed support from our Allies in PEACE..." this guaranteed support is something I do not believe in at all
I have seen on PEACE Forum the list of nations that want to work further in/on PEACE. I missed a lot of those nations giving any support to our nation when we asked for it in Flanders (when we got from Hungary support) neither in Wallonia/Bruss3els last time. We got big support from nations like France, Germany and UK. But also from Russia and Serbia. The attack from Hungary on Slovakia (whatever you think about that) distracted some fighters from Romania. Without these combined support we would have lost Wallonia too.
What is left in PEACE is not able to fight of a next attack of Romania on Wallonia. We will need more support. Support that is in the charter difficult for full members and impossible for defensive members.
And it is sad that almost none information on the possibilities for alliances are public, but when public chances for alternatives would be zero.
I think a lot of overreaction to what is happening is being put in the media, IRC and the congress.
One question, who thinks there was a eParidise?
Correction: ArtemIvanov is not president but ex president of the United Netherlands.
@dionysus maybe should come on IRC more often because that is what was said. People just want to stay with Hungary, Serbia and Russia because they believe they are only strong enough. So we left PEACE because they left too. The fact that still many strong countries remain in PEACE is being ignored thereby ignoring those friends.
Mitch, you apparantly misunderstood. I say it is ridiculous to claim that leaving PEACE means giving up friendships.. you can be friends without being in an alliance.
Being in the same alliance doesn't guarantee anything, like we saw the last few months, whereas building and expanding friendships on a different level can actually get us somewhere.. doesn't really require PEACE, which was only a paradise when all of us had a common goal.
And I pretty much agree with Cocoamok's reply.