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Cos I'm a nice guy, I've done that law thing.

Still, TL😉R 8/10 needs more cats.

I knew you would say that, and I would of, but tried to be a bit more professional.

Hopefully your congress votes correctly and sets about having discussions about all of this. Yes and apart of our agreement will be a minimum amount of cats per article just for you.

You obviously don't know our Mongress. They have a habit of doing... strange things.... 😉

I see you more than our government 😃

That tells you something... Hopefully Pauly's law will pass or the new congress can do something. As I would hate to end up in London... they only have shite football teams there.

I was all for peace until insulted my football team.
I'll see you on the battlefield.

Every player wants a real war. Everyone is bored. The only way to engage people in a training war is not to tell them it is a training war. We are playing a war game. You actually need war to play.

Come to the eUK and see how screwed our politics are. To fight a real war here, we'd need a war leader and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of those we've had since I was eBorn...

The UK is actually winning the war. Just know one sees it.

Only cos Rusty's not swiped his Visa enough yet 😉

Isn't that pretty much the option I gave to Dish regarding how to play the Ireland War...

"Every player wants a real war." - No, I don't, so that's one person who isn't every player and the reason why I'm bored is because of all the people who keep saying "This is a war game, etc, etc" and then do nothing but fight in the same boring wars over and over.

So what do you see as being the main attraction to this game Paul?

Too right

We need war that is why i like this war at the end everyone can be friends

Easiest way for you to end the war is to stop fighting

How does that work? that would mean you would have to wipe Ireland.... so it is easier for the war UK started, to end by proposing a No NE law. Which Pauly has just done.

and a wipe isn't a good idea?

If the UK government cant even do the decency of sending me a PM with info and a formal agreement, I am unsure how a wipe is going to help you...

man, I've been in Mongress many times, never knew that a common mongressman could propose a No NE law, I'd have done it ages ago if i'd known.

Only found out myself when Rusty suggested it. Thought hell, why not? Course, it won't go through because Mongress, which is a shame cos that means the end of my 100% success (I think) on proposals 🙁

but your one of the people wanting this war

Am I not allowed to change my mind?

No Pauly, once you make a decision you have to stick by it, regardless of new information that comes forward.

I think there are a number of points to make here.

Congress is pulling the strings - though I am extremely disappointed the Government has pandered to their every desire.

Congress voted down the original Peace proposal when the TW was going badly in the early days and it's Congress that recently proposed and approved the NE, having repeatedly rejected it previously.

Was the French AS a legitimate action? - i.e. was it authorised by Alliance leadership? It seems to be an odd situation for an ally to jump into another country's TW and then for that ally to support the AS.

Also the thing you have to remember is that there are people in the eUK manoeuvring for power and they will use eIreland and deliberately harm eUK in order to get their way - indeed for all I know they could even be working with people in eIreland.

Mongress is always gonna do what it does, randomly pressing shiny buttons without actually thinking about it (yes, I know I say TL😉R to wordy articles, but I do actually take the time to read them and consider actions). Originally I was for changing to a full war in retaliation for Oireland's actions against us in the not-too-distant past. Having seen the debacle that resulted, I found myself questioning that decision.

Is it down to a poor Government? Quite possibly. Haven't seen anyone reach for a shiny Impeach button recently though, but knowing Mongress even a poor Government can stay in charge.

Was the French AS legitimate? No idea. I guess that comes from not seeing many articles from Orion published in this country (no, I'm not going to go searching for them - surely the whole idea of this alliance is that they keep it's members informed, meaning the populace as a whole and not just the odd few in Government. Course, one might argue that it's the MoFA's job to publish regular articles keeping us abreast of, I don't know, Foreign Affairs or something 😉 )

But was it a TW? Or was it a real war? That is the question to be asked, cos I sure as hell don't know 😉

If you ever heard of me you'll know I was opposed to actions against the UK by past administrations of Ireland and actively opposed each and every such action.

So I have form in trying to maintain good relations with the UK as I was CP of Ireland when Ireland was helped by a group of nations Inc the UK. I have never forgot that and feel a sense of debt to the UK for this help.

Please take my word that this Administration in Ireland, I am not a member, and our Congress, I am a member, do not want to march to London. It was always a TW with us.

However if we must we will

I ask you vote for the NE

>Orion
>Alliance leadership

funny

Number of points to make regarding Pauls assessment here.

Mongress is 'pulling the strings' because a weak CP decided to allow them the chance.

I would suggest that the repeated voting down of the NE law was in part a reaction against Applefag, but also at the displeasure of a boring TW.

eUK Government have acted dishonourably.

You have to remember also is that you have a group clinging on to power and for once actually being challenged when they f*ck up. You will often see them try to side swipe an issue away by blaming it on other people. It's about time they stood up and recognised the terrible situation the eUK has found itself in with their continued leadership.

This article doesnt help much now...

I miss having a Dictator for the eUK.... At least people had to TRY and give decent reasons and debates.

At least it felt like it even with congress being... congress.

I'm gonna leak a little somethin' about the France AS for anybody marginally intereste😛

https://prnt.sc/fnyxvj

I don't think govt at our end was entirely sure what those dudes were doing.

With regards to our bit, in private convos dish seemed to want to try and do stuff to make things marginally more entertaining when he was running for CP either by way of trying to rattle allies a bit or start a direct conflict somewhere. Because our alliance set up is the way it is Ireland was the only really viable target for direct conflict, but just outright going "this is a real war now" might've appeared none-inclusive or something, so then dish stupidly decides to ask congress "hey you want a real war or nah" so a few people went "yeah sure I like a war" (about 9 of them I think?) and that was enough for a mandate because accepting apathy is fun. Then the NE went through because 1. 2 of the parties are full of morons and 2. I assume some people actually expected the government to run a decent campaign once things got under way, which they did not.

That's maybe why the politics of it is a bit confusing, dish wanted a war but wanted to give congress the final say and they largely didn't actually care. The few that did care and went "yeah sure war is fun" lead to the war starting, which has lead some parties in the UK to believe that congress sort of forced the government's hand even though it was the government that gave them the option to start a war and said it was okay.

I've only just sort of pieced this thinking together in the last 5 minutes but in the end on reflection you're sort of right Rusty m8, it's mostly the CP/cabinet's fault.

Now what the heck is a Taoiseach?

It's a funny way of saying "Prime Minister".

Yeah, I'll put my hand up and say I voted for the NE. Honestly didn't expect it to pass, all things considered, but it did. Now it seems Mongress are hell bent on ignoring advice and rejecting the "No NE" proposal.

Sorry, Rusty.

Well the CP (the only visible member of the current Government) appeared to be pushing for a yes vote...

the Brixit analogy gets even stronger 😃

Quite simply this whole mess has come about from our government going silent and burying their heads in the sand every time it looked as though the going might get tough. Congress can be blamed for so much but when the only useful information we receive comes after events have panned out then it's nothing more than revisionist history. No wonder why the majority of our players haven't had a clue what's going on.

You've done a wonderful job this term Rusty and I congratulate you on that. "The Fighting Irish" has meant exactly that recently as opposed to "The Foolish Irish"

Thanks and sorry it has come to this.

I dont want this to seem like I am rubbing salt into the wounds, but I a doing a food drop for the UKer's out there who are being hurt by their governments actions:

{eIre DoI} Food Aid for the UK:
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-eire-doi-food-aid-to-the-uk-2644293/1/20

You might have to read through some of my light hearted dribble however

Well, I tried. Unfortunately some people in Mongress obviously don't see that there was an easy way out of this, and we're now left with our most prosperous region occupied and the war continuing, Sorry it's come to this, Rusty.

Fortunately I'm not in Mongress this coming term, cos the way things have been here for the past couple of months has just left me disillusioned. One day I might stand for CP here in the eUK (if I can be arsed) and would aim to restore more cordial relations with our southern Irish neighbours. At least I'd promise to be more active in that respect than some "leaders" we've had lately.

As a UK citizen, what would be the consequences for me if Ireland or the UK were wiped out?

nothing really, you'd just produce less in your non-existant compaines.