An open letter to eRep Labs from eNorway
Pressekontoret
We think it would be about time that we get the possibility for congress members to vote to withdraw citizenship for players that have got CS from a former dictator that is defeated long time ago.
Erep Support Team,
We need your help.
We love this game, but our experience of it has been marred for well over 330 days now due to a structural imbalance that serves only to create tedious list-making work for us at regular intervals.
The essential history of the problem is as follows. Almost a year ago ago, eNorway was attacked by an eChilean MU that managed to install a Dictator. This Dictator let in a very large amount of his/her MU players and other eChileans before being successfully deposed by eNorway's previous population. Fortunately for us, many of these eChilean players were permanently banned for being multies, or many other avatars simply died from inactivity soon after (suggesting they are really just unconfirmed multies).
A tiny, stubborn contingent of eChilean hangers-on remains, however. They are not particularly active players, have absolutely no role in the eNorwegian community, and do not appear to interact with each other much at all. In short, they seem pretty much disinterested. Except, of course, when it comes to harassing us through comments, or the occasional run for office.
Two-clickers like these generally aren't much of a problem, especially when there aren't many of them. It is for us, however. While it takes very little effort for them to harass us, it is a massive problem for our population for the following three simple reasons:
1) While there aren't many of them, there aren't many of us (an increasing problem for many ecountries),
2) these two-clickers are hostile,
3) they sometimes do, and always can, run for political office.
The combination of these three factors mean every election for us is a matter of signing in at odd hours, switching parties, reducing the number of candidates who run for office (in order to avoid splitting the vote) and having to vote in a prescribed way for every single election.
You may have read the above paragraph and thought to yourself, “Yes, that sounds like elements of a strategy game,” but please re-read it keeping in mind that eRepublik is a social strategy game, and think about what those elements do to the social aspect. In that context, here's what all that now means to us:
1) Elections are things that interfere with some of our citizens' sleep multiple times each month which, as you can imagine, certainly takes the shine off of signing in.
2) Our former Political Party loyalty is now meaningless (since we can't necessarily vote our own Party without potentially imperiling eNorway), so there are few, if any, discussions with political consequence.
3) Many of us can't run for office for fear we might split the vote, inadvertently favoring an eChilean candidate, which means candidates.
4) We don't even get to choose which candidate we vote for since we can now only have one candidate, which means there's almost no point in campaigning.
Clearly, none of this is good for the social fabric in this game, and does actively hinder it.
From a simple gameplay perspective, these factors add up to something very similar. Signing into eRepublik just to vote is a tedious, unpleasant chore, that some of us have to set our alarms late at night or very in the morning for. It means there's little point in political debates, trying to persuade voters with newspaper articles, or really even running for office. And even if you do run for office, ideas are almost irrelevant, since it is simple a matter of blocking out the former invaders.
We're sure this isn't the kind of eRepublik you imagined when you decided to introduce the Dictator dynamic. You were envisioning something that would make government unpredictable and more fragile, putting a premium on good military defense. We like all that, but we think your work here is unfinished, and that we have the proof.
Please know that we are not complaining about the possibility of a coup, or any other strategic element. What we're complaining about is the unending punishment being inflicted on us due to having one Dictator once, and the remnants of that Dictatorship that continue to pose an outsized threat to us. This most certainly seems like a loose end in game mechanics to us since it costs them so little, and us so much on an ongoing basis.
What we propose is a simple fix: allow us to expel them to their previous ecountry of ecitizenship. All the information is already available in eRepublik, and congress can already grant CS, so why not be able to take it away, too? In RL, invaders from a coup would not be allowed to stay either, and we're not asking for any more than that. Our specific suggestion is that once a Dictator is deposed, we recommend letting the new, democratically elected Congress remove the invading players who received CS from the Dictator.
Please let us know what you think.
The eCitizens of eNorway
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An open letter to eRep Labs from eNorway
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-2612542/1/20
Sounds like many small countries admin don't care they just want your hard earned cash they play off patriotism and draw people in using their own accounts to their own good i think it time for everyone to stop going them cash for one month this game is getting worse as more people leave them you have the same groups running if you can call it that countries, they need to end the dictatorship that benefits only the rich who sell packs on the black market, we all need to stop buying packs.
Free Norway!!
Voted and supported, whis best luck for Norway.
eUS had "Unity Elections" for a couple of years because of one player.
Big Country. For YEARS. because of ONE PLAYER.
Before the Dictatorship Module.
Switzerland, before getting in bed with Slovenia, had Clifford and friends. and RL German nationalists.
for years. Swiss players had nothing but a defensive game. constantly. it sucked. for years.
feel for ya, Norway.
but you know full well eRep Labs ain't gonna do a damned thing for ya.
Yes we probably know that Custer but that can't stop us from trying
Actually you have one huge flaw in your proposal. Who decides who is hostile and how?
Because if there arent clear and fair rules this becomes a witchhunt.
And anyone can throw anyone out. Which is beyond stupid.
Scratch that ..... When no eRepublik rules are broken you cannot take away their CS.
They got it fair and square. Plus even if they implement such a rule, if they implement it it wont act retroactively. So this won't provide you with an ability to throw them out.
If it does it will be utterly moronic on their part.
We are aware of those Imoenbg1 but actually hoped this was one issue that best could be solved via discussion and suggestions from the community.
We're talking only about people who have received CS from Dictators right now. No one else.
Well, but you must say that one player was not a simple 2 clicker. RGR made a lot of efforts, campaigns, articles and chat attempting to takeover the USA, even more of some CP I saw.
Here it's different, let a country be ruled from passive 2 clickers is simply ridicolus.
One of the many multis of RGR could have taken control of a top 5 eUK party were it not for a couple of people who keep thwarting him, and merely by two-clicking. Course, at one point he did, but that was before he was outed as Yet Another Ajay Multi (and, of course, he remains unbanned).
Hi.
Reading your article I cant say that I do not agree with your point of view,I can agree this Dictator update made some harm to small countries but I can´t agree with your request in totality if erep labs put that update,who will ensure that a country president for example will not expell good players only because he/she dont like that player.
I can give you a example the congress "forum" for example is not a game tool and all countries use them to accept ou denied Cs some times unfair choices not every player have bad intentions,when I started play this game in 2010 I was a eden fighter I fought many time for allies countries like china and brasil at the time I was weak and noob but my game was based in the economic module with alot of aluminium factories so I needed a 100% stable bonus, I requested CS to this 2 countries above and always was refused even with my country president and the eden commander assurance that I was a trusted player.
There is alot of changes that erep need to do in game, many of this changes they could add from tools like erep stuff++ and others similiar to the work done in countries forums, or they could add tools like your idea but with some fair options.
But in the end this game for some time already is starting to be obsolete the erep game admin only cares about € until visa players stop buying packs or gold with € they dont care about this kind or complains or small countries.
But good luck hope something good changes in this game.
This is only an personal opinion,regards.
We are asking for the congress to have an option to vote over these unwanted citizenships.
We're talking only about people who have received CS from Dictators right now. No one else.
Erepublik does not give a shit about small countries, that was very clear last CP elections in eBelgium where we suddenly had 50% more votes than the previous months but the admins refuse to do anything and a PTO'er won the election.
Idea has merit but it's also a double edged sword, think about a scenario that PTOers have majority in Congress so expelling "real" citizens.
But in a limited scenario that an overthrown dictator being expelled makes sense.
but theyt wouldnt be able to expel *real* citizens to be honest, because citizens that are born in the country that never have changed CS, wouldnt be able to be expelled to any previous country, because they never been anywhere else.
but i guess it could happen to loyal foregin citizens that have joined the community and country years ago that are good citizens to the country, that a PTO'er could ruin for etc.
"Real" citizens aren't only consist of high born elves but people having a positive contribution to country and having no issue with social contract. And a never CS changed citizen can also be rogue.
I thought expelling such citizen to citizenship of "No Man's Land" was obvious.
We're talking only about people who have received CS from Dictators right now. No one else.
Then it perfectly makes sense, tbh I didn't know/care about dictator citizen pass mechanics 🙂
Good luck.
I doubt the admins will take any notice of you - they never do.
So I'd also look for other ways of getting rid of the people you don't want. We've had similar problems in the eUK in the past, and the solution was to make life miserable for the imposters. Switch things around - instead of allowing them to annoy you, try to annoy them instead. If they're not enjoying themselves, they will move on elsewhere.
Or not. Ajay remains a thorn in the side of UKPP merely by constantly standing for PP month after month. And yes, the Admins have not taken a blind bit of notice when we have reported him for multies (with evidence, several times) as well as some of the more inflammatory messages he's posted.
buddy sadly they do not care .. their methods is " divide and downgrade " trying so hard to make you pay for something that they will downgraded for you after ... anyone remember strength raise it with gold training , well they divided it to division so there goes your investment .. companies to regions .. elmination of industries only to bring some back , creating new industries ... pay pay pay so they can rob rob Rob where are you im here dear drinking some coolaide and recharging my retardation on erep
It's about political matters
So I think there should be an option which puts the people in charge of a political party (those 4 or 5 people in the first page of party) into voting for kicking someone out of party
This will reduce expelling problems
Expell has many problems :
1 - to where do you Expell?
His/her previous country? And that country can Expell too? To where? And what about a citizen having 8 countries in true Patriot history?
2- a pto'ed Congress can destroy a country a lot worse than a country with foreign dictator. As they can Expell many known, loyal and useful citizens. So the danger is much more than dictatorship update
3- at least party titles will be useful
Or each country had a supreme court?
Don't think so
As politic here is party based
This: In RL, invaders from a coup would not be allowed to stay either, and we're not asking for any more than that. Our specific suggestion is that once a Dictator is deposed, we recommend letting the new, democratically elected Congress remove the invading players who received CS from the Dictator.
Would be nice to see ErepLabs do something productive for a change! Or, if not, see more players/paying costumers quiting this wretched game. 😛
Signed!
Free Norway!
Signed!
I, too, believe that congress should have the right to revoke citizenship, with a majotiry of 66%, as it is the case for other important laws (impeachment, NE etc.).
Dictator conspirritors should be jailed! Refine them to their cells! Free the people from PTO!
Maybe elabs should go drastic and you might not like to hear this but... RL national citizens /national citizens
Anyway big vote. Let the Norwegians be free of harassment once more!
Wanted that for years.
i would also get rid of a small country needing to support 5 parties. Put a minimum number of members needed to propose congress candidates instead of must 5.
Big countries can support 5 parties but in small countries it just dilutes the talent pool and community.
I agree with you that small countries shouldn't have to have 5 parties and I support your suggestion. Perhaps this is something you would like to suggest for them?
Voted, although I doubt they'll do anything...
Maybe an idea to avoid the opposite excesses would be to allow congress to revoke CS (with a majority of 66😵 given by dictators only if both the dictator and the citizen in question were born from another country.
Yes it must be a majority of votes.
Good luck with that. While the wigs make money off players there isn't any need for them to change the game to make it enjoyable for others to play.
That can anyway never stop us from trying to achieve what we believe in to get a better game. I know many complain about eRep Labs but they are listening. All we need is for them to listen at our suggestion here and read all your guys comments and it is easy to see that there are room for improvements and hopefully they will at least consider it.
Cile idi kuci
Slobodna Norveska
Jel vam sad jasno zasto necemo da mi u eBiH imamo diktatora povezanog sa eSrbijom
Good luck on your request. I know it is probably impossible at this age and time, but try to get yourself some sort of babyboom, too. Spam out there until the whole country hates you or they come to play 🙂