An Australian perspective on Karnataka
Aeros
It was not with a small degree of surprise that I logged into check the eAustralia forums today and noticed a discussion raging about India demanding the United States return Karnataka. Needless to say, many people were not happy with this development and a great deal of concern has been raised. Yes, you heard correctly. The eAustralia Forums not the eUnited States forums. What you all might think is part and parcel to an issue between India and the United States does in fact have much more broader secondary impacts that might be more serious then you all may realize. Especially for my own country.
From a purely economical standpoint, it is in Australia’s best interest for the United States to remain strong in resources. They are our closest ally and we rely on them in no small part to keep our country from getting conquered by our belligerent northern neighbor. The loss of Karnataka might upset this litmus, and while it is certain not to weaken our Alliance, we cannot help but get nervous when a major shift happens in our principle ally. How will this effect America’s tactical ability? The logistics of moving people out of Karnataka alone will be a major distraction for the USA, and by demanding a return in such a short amount of time the logistical strain is made exponentially greater.
However, economics is neither here nor there, and I doubt the long term impact for the USA over the loss of Karnataka will be very serious. What I am more concerned about is the long term strategic impact. Since our independence from Indonesia, Australia had attempted this “neutrality” thing, in much the same way India’s government is now proposing. History proved however, that this strategy was a miserable failure. Indonesia held our most valuable territory in perpetuity, and we were forced to resort to war in order to reclaim it. Since then, the Phoenix Alliance has attacked us with a single minded purpose, first in the form of Brazil, and later another Indonesian offensive. Though we were able to drive the Indonesians and Brazilians off, Phoenix is now actively attempting to overthrow our government via PTO.
Australia has incredibly serious security interests in the Southern Hemisphere. We share a massive border with Indonesia, and Brazil and Argentina lurk just beyond South Africa, a country that has been PTO’d more times then any other nation. For almost the entire history of the game, Australia has been occupied in some form or another by Phoenix, so believe me when I say our strategic paranoia is well founded, and stems from a long and painful series of historical lessons. This proposed plan to remove the United States as a factor in India stands a very good chance of upsetting the strategic balance of the Southern Hemisphere, and frankly, I do not trust Serbia, or Hungary to honor any neutrality pact. They never have before, and there is no proof they will now. A Serbian/Hungarian presence in India would constitute a grave and dire threat to Australia. It is a threat I feel cannot be permitted to be allowed to form.
So before you all start changing the security dynamics in our neighborhood, think for one moment who else might be effected by your decision.
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ये सिर्फ मेरी व्यक्तिगत, एक आधिकारिक बयान नहीं चिंतन कर रहे हैं
यह आश्चर्य है कि मैं जांच में लॉग इन के एक छोटे से डिग्री के साथ नहीं था eAustralia मंचों और आज भारत के बारे में एक उग्र संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका वापसी की मांग कर्नाटक चर्चा देखा. कहने की जरूरत नहीं है, कई लोगों को इस और चिंता का एक बड़ा सौदा विकास के साथ खुश नहीं थे उठाया गया है. हाँ, आप सही सुना. EAustralia eUnited राज्य मंचों नहीं मंच. आप सब सोच सकते हैं क्या हिस्सा है और भारत और अमेरिका के बीच एक मुद्दा करने के लिए पार्सल करता है वास्तव में बहुत अधिक व्यापक है माध्यमिक प्रभाव डालता है, कि और अधिक गंभीर है तो आप सब महसूस कर सकते हो सकता है. विशेष रूप से अपने ही देश के लिए.
एक विशुद्ध आर्थिक दृष्टि से, यह ऑस्ट्रेलिया के संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका के लिए सबसे अच्छा हित में है करने के लिए संसाधनों में मजबूत रहेंगे. वे हमारे निकटतम सहयोगी रहे हैं और हम कोई छोटा सा भाग में उन पर भरोसा करने के लिए हो रही युद्धकारी हमारे उत्तरी पड़ोसी द्वारा पर विजय प्राप्त से हमारे देश में रहते हैं. कर्नाटक के इस नुकसान लिटमस परेशान है, और हो सकता है, जबकि यह कुछ करने के लिए हमारे गठबंधन को कमजोर नहीं है, हम मदद नहीं नर्वस हो जब एक बड़ा बदलाव हमारे सिद्धांत सहयोगी में होता है सकते हैं. इस आशय अमेरिका की सामरिक क्षमता कैसे होगा? अकेले कर्नाटक के लोगों को बाहर हिलाने की रसद संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका के लिए एक प्रमुख ध्यान भंग हो जाएगा, और समय के इतने कम राशि सैन्य तनाव तेजी से अधिक से अधिक किया जाता है में एक वापसी की मांग के द्वारा.
हालांकि, अर्थशास्त्र यहां न तो वहाँ नहीं है, और मैं कर्नाटक के नुकसान पर दीर्घकालिक प्रभाव अमरीका शक में बहुत गंभीर हो जाएगा. मैं के बारे में अधिक चिंतित हूँ क्या दीर्घकालिक सामरिक प्रभाव है. इंडोनेशिया से हमारी स्वतंत्रता के बाद से, जबकि ऑस्ट्रेलिया इस "तटस्थता" बात की कोशिश की थी ज्यादा उसी तरह भारत सरकार अब प्रस्ताव है में. लेकिन इतिहास साबित है कि इस रणनीति बुरी तरह विफल रही. इंडोनेशिया हमारी शाश्वत सबसे मूल्यवान क्षेत्र में आयोजित है, और हम को युद्ध का सहारा है ताकि इसे पुनः प्राप्त करने के लिए मजबूर किया गया. तब से, फीनिक्स एलायंस हमें एक ही उद्देश्य के साथ दिमाग पर हमला किया है, ब्राजील के रूप में पहले, और बाद में दूसरे इंडोनेशियाई आक्रामक. हालांकि हम Indonesians और बंद ब्राजीलियाई ड्राइव करने में सक्षम थे, फीनिक्स अब सक्रिय रूप से PTO के माध्यम से हमारी सरकार को उखाड़ फेंकने का प्रयास.
ऑस्ट्रेलिया अविश्वसनीय दक्षिणी गोलार्द्ध में गंभीर सुरक्षा हितों की है. हम इंडोनेशिया के साथ एक बड़े पैमाने पर सीमा साझा करते हैं, और ब्राजील और दक्षिण अफ्रीका, एक देश है कि अधिक है तो किसी भी अन्य देश PTO'd बार किया गया है परे सिर्फ अर्जेंटीना दुबकना. लगभग खेल के पूरे इतिहास के लिए, ऑस्ट्रेलिया के कुछ फार्म में कब्जा कर लिया है या किसी अन्य फीनिक्स द्वारा, तो मुझे जब मैं कहता हूँ हमारे सामरिक व्यामोह अच्छी तरह से स्थापित नहीं है यकीन है. इस प्रस्तावित योजना भारत में एक कारक के रूप में संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका दूर करने के लिए दक्षिणी गोलार्द्ध के सामरिक संतुलन परेशान का एक बहुत अच्छा मौका खड़ा है, और स्पष्ट है, हम सर्बिया, हंगरी या नहीं पर विश्वास के लिए किसी भी तटस्थता समझौते का सम्मान करते हैं. वे हैं, पहले कभी नहीं है और वहाँ कोई सबूत नहीं है कि वे अब होगा. एक सर्बियाई / भारत में हंगरी की उपस्थिति एक गंभीर और भयानक ऑस्ट्रेलिया के लिए खतरा माना जाएगा. यह एक खतरा मुझे लगता है की अनुमति नहीं कर सकते हैं के लिए फार्म की अनुमति दी जाए.
तो इससे पहले कि आप सभी हमारे पड़ोस में सुरक्षा की गतिशीलता को बदलने शुरू, एक पल कौन अपने निर्णय से प्रभावित हो सकता है के लिए लगता है.
Comments
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~hyuu~
stay classy, planet earth
I vote we keep karnataka.
and now that i've read i have to say i agree. but if india choses they want it back, then so be it. I'll support you 100%.
XOXOXOX I LOVE YOU INDIA!
Yes, it is India's choice. But I would prefer the choice be made with the full understanding that decisions like this are bigger then they seem.
Agreed
true. i think that what we should hope for is they take everything into account. and im sure they will.
Voted. 😃
My thoughts about eIndia:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ostin-dear-eindia-1390403/1/20">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/osti[..]1/20
eIndo MOFA
"I do not trust Serbia, or Hungary to honor any neutrality pact"
Serbia always honors it's pact
Serbia NEVER attacked neutral country
You Americans only believe that you are good guys, well guess what you are NOT!
Serbia, you guys are holding Liaoning, you realize that region belongs to China?
Kell Draygo
So what China don't need it they have hello kitty, China is pro-EDEN country that attacked us, Serbia never attacked China! Lionking was given to us by Russians, and now we use Lionking to help our alliance and to fuel Phoenix war machine!
Bajke sm 14 minutes ago
"I do not trust Serbia, or Hungary to honor any neutrality pact"
Serbia always honors it's pact
Serbia NEVER attacked neutral country
You Americans only believe that you are good guys, well guess what you are NOT! ignore him..one of the worst serbian trolls..
When did China attack Serbia? They may be pro-EDEN but every country is pro-something in this game. By your definition, you can attack anyone since no country is really 'neutral'. Liaoning does not belong to Russia, Serbia, US. Just like Karnataka, it doesn't belong to us. We're paying them rent, are you paying China rent, have you actually asked China?
"ignore him..one of the worst serbian trolls.. "
Oh I know, I'm just bored at work and enjoy poking him with a stick. 🙂
I don't even want to speak with the Croat, it would be useless waste of words, as for you Draygo, China never asked for rent anyway we wouldn't pay it, if they can allow themselves to spend 2500 gold to attack Lionking every week they are welcome to try, they know we will defend it fanatically, they should be happy with Hello kitty and leave us alone they don't need 2 high iron regions, 1 is enough!
I would say you should leave China alone and give it back. Then negotiate with them for Liaoning, then you would be honorable in your word and not attack a neutral nation. 🙂
Thanks for this article. But in my opinion India should get back Karnataka now. I am going to post an article within a few minutes.
-Anant
Congress member
India
@Bajke sm: lamest counter-argument I've ever heard
@ Collin Roche
its not so much lame as pathetic. either he doesnt understand that its an original region and occupying it means you are actively oppressing the occupied nation or he is making BS up to try to put Phoenix in a better light
wow... the USA is giving india basically 1000 gold per month?! if I was china i would be like.
"hey USA, india doesn't seem to like you anymore, how about you rent one of our regions for 600 gold a month. On the condition that USA pays for tanking to take lion king"
then let india rot.
vote
Maybe Liaoning is not Serbia but Kosovo IS and we dont have it...
Its high iron region and America is trying to take it in rl and here we dont have it. Why?
@Mogul Kahn: Actually, Emerick is Kosovo, if you haven't heard
Kell Draygo i vote for option number 3.
My question to eUSA, will you take HK after you leave Karnatka?, china has less population than you, and you could make more money of it, naturally for a rent fee.
I think the only ones that need to be scared now are actually the eChinese, if eUSA doesnt comply with the wishes of eIndia, and is thrown out, it will be looking for a new HI region or become a dying power. So the only natural thing to do for eUSA, is to
1. get HK from the eChinese for a monthly fee
2. if eChinese wont give it up, attack eChina and take it, distancing eChina from EDEN, and making it a ghost country.
a sub note to point 2, EDEN will weigh the strenght of eUSA and eChina, and it will back the eUSA, IF it wishes to go down path number 2
whatever happens, some high raw region swaping and attacking will happen in the near future.
P.S. Aeros i am gonna like you as a citizen of Pheonix, its coming soon, to a country where you live!
china tryed a little to go neutral.
Then russia invaded them and they gave lion king to serivia.
"Indonesia held our most valuable territory in perpetuity, and we were forced to resort to war in order to reclaim it."
So you're saying US should hold their most valuable territory in perpetuity and India will be forced to resort to war in order to reclaim it, right ? Double standards much ?
hmm topic moving to china from india 😛
Dejan: US and China are close allies. They are also booming I believe so them having High Iron isn't a bad thing, they have people to work there. If they want us to lease Hello Kitty or if we want to rent it from them, our administration will talk to them first and only move in if an agreement is made. US doesn't need High Iron, what we want most of all is to ensure that Pheonix doesn't get High Iron.
when did Serbia ever break any agreement? or Hungary? As for attacking a neutral country when we took Liaoning China was already EDEN oriented.
Why the hell would Serbia attack India? We got iron we dont need wood...
i doubt China would accept a rent
Kell Draygo, just need to inform you, rent in eChina is much more expensive than in eIndia.
this is the info i got for pre-serbian LK (just after it was taken back from eIran, that means a lot less companies than today), and it was 300g, PER DAY.
yes you heard me, 10 times the cost of eIndia.
I am starting to think that a PTO-ed government signed that rent deal, because it is just horrible. Like we see in RL Africa, 5 guys at the top take the butter, the guy that gets the rights gets the cake, while the people are left with crumbs.
Serviants would never pay rent.
if it was reasonable maybe, i cant really say, 300g a day, nope 😃
china do not act like a neutral country ...
Dejan: If rent is too high, then US won't rent it and leave it with China. We wouldn't take it by force and make them enemies.
Emprat00r: How can China remain neutral when Phoenix keeps attacking them? You do remember that at one point China considered joining Phoenix since they did not trust EDEN at all. But then you guys kept attacking them, so you forced them to us. We gladly accept them as allies.
@ Kell At the time Pheonix took Chineses regions they were litte more then eNorth Korea is now...
I don't agree with the writer !
That's understandable, Vitortomic, but it is still their original region. When they started growing, you guys had two choices. Keep it through force which you have chosen, or chosen diplomacy and worked out an agreement with China. I'm betting that as they were growing, they could've used the gold paid in rent to help them prosper, and would've been very appreciative. Imagine if you guys chose that alternative route, China would be very close allies with Phoenix. That would be damn scary since US and EDEN would not have been able to knock out any of your three pillars.
Thailand has the same issues. It's not our place to dictate what India does with their regions. But there seems to be a lack of foresight involved and a total disregard for the past. This effects the whole region adversely. We're seeing a prelude with what is going on in the Philippines, and it seems like it will be only a matter of time before the other shoe drops.
We officially hold a neutral stance as well, but practically we have to take steps to ensure our protection, if that means getting in bed with one side as unsettling as that may be ,so be it, but those decisions have to be made.
It's funny how in the effort to be neutral, you make one side happy, and alienate the other, but if you continue the same course, the inverse is true. Neutrality is a nice concept, but one that ,unfortunately, cannot be realized in game as of yet.
Karnataka is USA
You mean American perspective ? You keep talking in name of Australians, while you are American ?
Pack your staf and be gone from India, we'll take care of you in China anyway 😉 You TO-ed half of Asia and speak of trust or mistrust in Serbia and Hungary ? List of your(EDEN) TO's: India, China, Australia, Thailand, Malaysia, Philipines, Japan.
We all remember how you enterd Asia, after a high treason in eJapan, what you could not do with sword, you ave done through deception and treacherous politics.
eSerbia has no interest in attacking India, all we want is your ass out of Asia. If they want to be independent, nobody will touch them from our side. Considering China, when they prove they are free and not just another US clone country we will consider opportunities at stake, so far, we have conquered enemy teritory and will not let go ! We will take only more high regions as long as they belong to enemy, like Karnataka now is in US posetion. If that change, our motive is gone towards Karnataka.
oh yeah, with eUSA out of eIndia, i can only say, BAD TIMES for minor eUSA puppet regimes in southeastern Asia 😃
i think they are gonna be an example to other smaller "neutral" countries to not assist EDEN and eUSA for the most part, in various land swaps and similar stuff.
hahaha
righteous EDEN...paying "rents"
what a joke
Australia you attacked Indo first and started attacking Brazil and Argentina in SA.Is that how you think a neutral country should act?
If your so "concerned" give them your Diamond region since diamond is a valuable resource and they will be strong.🙂
Australia is a puppet to EDEN and US you are not allowed to have your opinion!
Bajke sm:
"Serbia always honors it's pact. Serbia NEVER attacked neutral country"
"As for attacking a neutral country when we took Liaoning China was already EDEN oriented. "
I can see no lies or contradictions here...
Bajke sm:
"...they should be happy with Hello kitty and leave us alone they don't need 2 high iron regions, 1 is enough!"
So...eRussia forcefully took eChina's territory, gave it to eSerbia who DECIDED FOR eCHINA that they didn't need *their* original territory; they should leave whomever is oppressively occupying *their* territory alone. Also, they should be thrilled that they get to keep one of their *own* states.
I would totally trust eSerbia; seems mutual, respectful and legit.