Abuse of power
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by Grampa Alfagrem
Today makes a furthur step forward for us as a proper eNation - We have our first case of abuse of power my an appointed individual or perhaps individuals!?
Today, ePakistan launched a series of attacks upon her neighbour eIndia. The potential response of the Kiwi nation in the event of such an action occuring had been discussed on the eNZ forum and whilst no decision or consensus had been reached it seemed that irregardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, eNZ was neutral and we had other issues we had to deal with before we started poking around in situations that did not really concern us.
It was to my great surprise this morning that, when logging onto my companies, I had a number of requests asking to be fired so that the NZSAS could move to pakistan and fight!
I scanned the news for some announcment from our provisional leadership - Nothing! I went to the forums to see if I had missed a discussion and to find out how the situation had changed - No furthur discussions, nothing in the embassies and nothing in the military section!
I then went to my citizen account and found my own personal orders from Kevin Ker (apparently my CO - still had a US mobile infantry Avatar but was confirmed on the forum) ;
"Yes it is time that the world see the power of the NZSAS. We are working on a deployment to Pakistan all expenses paid (MTs both ways,150 health food, and 3 weapons each) for by our friend Max McFarland 2, president of Pakistan. He has asked us to help him in the invasion of India and we are willing to move out. What i need from you is to see how many of us ar ready to move out."
On whose authority are we sending our troops out to help another nation steal land and wealth from their enemies?
How did the issuing authority come by this decision without a public discussion/vote and in defiance of our 'neutralist' policy?
How exactly is Max McFarland 'our' friend? I've not seen him in eNZ and have never spoken to him personally or been made aware of any benifits he gives to our young nation.
I signed up to be part of the Kiwi army not to be someone's personal militia or MM's goons for hire! I therefore say that these orders are invalid and unlawful - I have deployed, but I have deployed to defend a nation from depravation.
EDIT 0420H: Apparently this is an official action!
Max McFarlands mastercard skills will apparently assure Pakistan of victory so the wrongs, rights, precedences and usuage of eNZ resources is apparently a moot point.
NZSAS - "Rapine before Honour"
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Alfagrem - it is weird that i say this - i don't think this is an authorized order as well. So, it is possible that people are taking their own initiatives.
regards,
Carr de Vaux
MoI
I do not agree with the attack on India, and I don't believe the NSAS should be ordered to fight in that battle, as we are not MM2's cronies or private military.
If people want to go fight there, they should have an individual right to go.
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New countries, same old politics...
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It looks like a big unpleasant prank, and not an official thing
i hope that the provisional authority denounce these attempts
OPSEC needs to get brought up obviously, don't talk about orders in public.
We shouldn't be at war if we haven't declared war and we can't do that without Congress. However I think it's just a bit of a miscue on the part of the military leadership rather than an abuse of power. New nations have growing pains.
^That only counts if the orders are official and lawful.
The 'provisional' authority has declared them offical. Given that they've totally disregarded public opinion thrown our weight behind and aggressor nation and turned the military into a bunch of mercs.....I do question wheter they have any claim to legality.
(confirmation was provided by the 'provisional president' of the nation.)
The fact that we're already sending soldiers abroad does not concern me, our armed forces are going to need all the practice they can get for when our grace period ends and countries like Indonesia take a shot at us to see what we're made of.
What bothers me, if Alfa's report is correct, is not that we're taking a side in a dispute, but that we're taking a side with the aggressor, and that starts us down the wrong path. I'm all for, and will even financially support, the NZSAS finding wars to fight in, but not for the sake of aggression. Defending India would have been something I'd applaud.
What also bothers me is MM2's apparent influence. This is one of the biggest things I feared in coming to NZ, that the US would export its hubris here. It does NZ no good to be on the offensive in any battle, it only shows we're taking sides with bullies.
Sit in on our IRC, guys, #enewzealand, you have much of the US government sitting in. It does not bode well at all for a country which, at least on the forums prior to existence, chanted neutrality. I didn't come here to make NZ an American, and therefore an EDEN/Brolliance, puppet.
The leaders of the military aren't provisional. This article should be deleted. And we're supposed to leave prior divisions at the door people. We're Kiwis now. Not Americans, Australians, Germans, Canadians or even Indonesians or Serbians. If our military leadership, which once again, is official, not provisional, tells us to fight, we should follow orders. And we still should not be breaking OPSEC. This article should be deleted. Also, MM2 is not American, he's Pakistani, the exodus movement contains people from all across the world, drop in on their IRC #exodus, sometime. You'll understand that some of the top players in the world are there. Fighting for Dio.
Guys, this act of war had the support of many many nations around the world, and it was a great opportunity for us to make friends with very minimal repercussions - opportunities like this don't happen very often, most of the time we annoy someone important when we provide military support, and at this stage the only nation that doesn't like our actions is India. I'd say that's a pretty big win.
Alfa, put your morals aside and your preconceived notions of what's right and wrong, and think about it logically:
We established powerful friends today, and pissed off one nation.
Is that a win or a lose?
"The 'provisional' authority has declared them offical. Given that they've totally disregarded public opinion thrown our weight behind and aggressor nation and turned the military into a bunch of mercs.....I do question wheter they have any claim to legality."
They've disregarded your opinion, not everyone's opinion. Don't you think there would have been some amount of debate behind this? Don't be upset just because you weren't included in the debate.
Whoo I like me a good $h*t storm....they are so much fun.
No one has to fight for Pakistan if they want. We were given a choice. If you don't agree, you can stay home.
If they want to fight, they can fight.
It's not an abuse of power. It's giving people a choice.
Freedom. We were able to choose. Freedom.
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"How exactly is Max McFarland 'our' friend? I've not seen him in eNZ and have never spoken to him personally or been made aware of any benifits he gives to our young nation."
"For any of these young nations which want to stay clear of big alliances, I will be offering them a Pakistan MPP."
-Max McFarland 2
http://eusforum.com/index.php?topic=29544.0
He supports eNZ neutrality
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Agreed. I'd like to say that while this may have been a good idea in itself, there really should have been more official mention of it. Particularly to those who are outside the military.
Suddenly, training wars are a bad thing.
Let's move this to the forums boys and girls, topic set up, Alfagram, I'd suggest you post there if you'd like some say.
What is the problem is they want to participate?
We need training, coordination, etc, this is a good practice and there is no harm done, only one pissed country that probably didn't notice that we sent troops.
I'm not sure why this discussion should be moved to the forum, it looks like it's going pretty good right here.
If MM2 wants to pack up a bunch of Zealanders and march off to Pakistan as a private, self-funded group, that's one thing, and that's their business. I have no problem with MM2 calling up his buddies from around the world and saying, Hey, please come to Pakistan so we can invade India, a country that has long struggled to maintain its sovereignty, that's great, good for them.
If MM2 is calling the shots at NZSAS, an official national military unit, that's something else entirely. It's a horrid and dangerous precedent if the President of Pakistan is giving orders to New Zealand units, and commanding officers follow willingly.
If Kevin Ker's standing order is kosher, then that's what this is, MM2, using an official NZ unit for his own merriment.
So we're going to have to decide, folks, is NZSAS a mercenary gang for hire, or is it our standing national army? Is it a militia willing to jump whenever a fellow buddy of the US tells it to jump, or is it answerable to the people of NZ first and foremost? Are we ready to show ourselves, on our very first day of activity, as an ally to EDEN, a tool for naked aggression, and a pawn for Americans and former Americans to toy with, or are we going to adhere to all that great talk we had at the forum about neutrality? Finally, are we going to have some semblance of order and law, or are we going to shuck our principles because MM2 waves a buttload of cash at us?
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"And there may be many in favor of staying out of this conflict. But there's also many who were in support of this move. And we're entering an alliance, simply a friendship with a new power in Pakistan."
And we've no way of knowing which side represents the majority of opinion on the matter or even to what degree or with what conviction they hold to that point of view or as to how strong the Kiwi nation feels about befriending a nation bent on conquering a neighbour.
Our goal should of been uniting the nation and trying to secure our rights to make these decisions once control of the state had been safeguarded not embarking on foreign adventures that have no mandate of support for them in wide disregard for the 'Let's not get involved yet' consensus on the forums.
My response to what has been said in all the above:
1)alfagrem you are calling us mercinaries.
Response:Tell me how we are to get funding for any operation without a government inplace to give us some? What if we got paid to go fight for India's side? Would we be mercenaries then?
2)"The leaders of the military aren't provisional" your answer > The forum introduced the cabinet (and the uppermost chain of command) as such.
My response we are in fact not provisional. Most of the people that are at the top(such as me) helped set up the military and are experienced in how to run the military. You didn't do anything to help set up the military let alone suggest we set one up. You are also were a private in the SAS so you have no say where we go or what we do. If you wanted a leadership roll you should have replied on the forums and in-game PM'ed me of your want to have an officer roll.
3)"If our military leadership tells us to fight, we should follow orders."
Response Even if you consider us provincial you must not have been in a military before because if you had you wouldn't be questioning orders.
Towards Arjay Phoenician
1)If MM2 is calling the shots at NZSAS, an official national military unit, that's something else entirely. It's a horrid and dangerous precedent if the President of Pakistan is giving orders to New Zealand units, and commanding officers follow willingly.
If Kevin Ker's standing order is kosher, then that's what this is, MM2, using an official NZ unit for his own merriment.
RESPONSE: we decided to go to Pakistan and after that we ask where would be the best place to fight. we are not puppets of MM2. I might be the CO of SAS but I still have people above me who have more authority then me. Even with that said I do support our fighting there. It has helped us get organized during fights and has helped us gauge how effective our unit can move and deploy.
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"we decided to go to Pakistan and after that we ask where would be the best place to fight. we are not puppets of MM2."
Everywhere else, people have claimed that the approach came from MM2.
The picture you paint is as if he had no involvement in the deployement and did not transfer cash to the CoDF to pay for the hits?
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"Everywhere else, people have claimed that the approach came from MM2."
It is true he approached us but the final decision was made by us to go to Pakistan.
"If your leadership tells you to jump of a cliff would you? If he tells you to give him all your gold, make multies, PTO a nation - Where do you draw the line?"
I hardly call going to fight in Pakistan jumping off a cliff. If going to fight for free and getting some exp along the way is a bad thing then I'm sorry we went but the greatest threat against us for going and fighting there is what? getting PTO'ed by India? then ill take that risk. If you don't like free exp then I'm sorry about that. It has done no harm to the view of our nation in the eyes of the world. If it has it is because you posted this letting everyone know.
"The CO of the mobile division is Cloyd Wallis"
He stepped down and is now my XO ill be sure to update that for you on the forums.
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I got an idea. Shut up no one cares. We have a government set in place that said ok. Our military leaders said ok. It all got paid for and we attacked a nation that around 75% of the people in this country hates India and only about 10% still likes them with the rest being neutral. No one cares, stop your whining.
I really don't give a damn who we are fighting, as long as I get some supplies and have fun.
"we attacked a nation that around 75% of the people in this country hates India and only about 10% still likes them with the rest being neutral."
Please link me to the poll, article or post where you drew those figures from.
Great article... thanks for exposing the truth