A Solution
Day 1,105, 11:55
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by Michael Hook
The What
Before I get down to main part of this article I’d just like to set one thing straight. The IDF and ICA will never get along perfectly. With the history between the two organizations and their clear differences, there is no chance of it. However, we can strive to create friendly competition between the two and cooperation just like it was just a couple of months ago. Many don’t want to forget the past, but if we don’t, it will just keep repeating itself. There obviously needs to be some change in the military system we have in our country.
The main issue we have is due to the fact that the ICA is completely privately funded, they are not held accountable to the government what-so-ever. They can do whatever they want, whenever they want and have no material punishment for it. For those of you in the ICA, I’m not necessarily saying you’re the bad guys but I’m saying that there are no real limitations or restrictions on your actions. When you make controversial choices, all that happens is that one portion of the country is pitted against the other.
The How
Now you ask, how do we fix this? The simple answer is to leave the ICA as a private organization but to have partial-funding by the Irish government. If you look at our two closest neighbors, the US and Canada, both of them give partial funding to their militias. Also, you see that joining their militias isn’t necessarily something that’s frowned upon by half of the population but a respectable choice. It’s clear that this system works but why? Like I said before, as a completely privately funded organization, the ICA theoretically can do whatever it wants. Once it receives funding from the government, the ICA is then held accountable to it. Funding can be taken away as easily as it is given. This gives these soldiers extra incentive to act in line with the government’s agenda.
The Why
Many people in the ICA may be concerned with the fact that it’s giving up some of their freedoms with this commitment. However, this is not a binding deal at all. If you decide you are feeling too restricted, there is nothing holding you back from what you want to do. It is your choice whether or not you follow in line with the government’s agenda just the funding gives extra incentive for you to. Also, it’s important to note that under this you would still be a private organization. All decisions would still be made by your current leadership and the government would have no control of who you choose as your leaders. You will still remain your independence under this.
Obviously, the logistics of this need to be worked out with how much will be given, how often it will be given, and it what form it will be given. However this is something that needs to be agreed upon by both parties. It is because of this that I’m asking a TD to put themselves forward to bring this to the Dáil and get discussion on it started. If you’re interested in helping me with this leave a comment or send me a message. Also I think it’s fair to say that funding should not be given until the money that was transferred to the ICA org is paid back. I understand James Ferrin is currently working on getting it back and I believe as soon as that is given back the funding should run normally. As for the other money owed by OJ, I don’t think it’d be right to punish all of the ICA for his actions. That is up for him and him alone to solve.
Thanks,
Michael Hook
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I like that you're at least trying to find a solution to this, unlike many, but I doubt the ICA would want too much government funding. We've been in this position before and it was held against us.
To be honest I see this as a way of the two factions reconciling with one another. the Government is admitting that they trust the ICA enough to give funding and the ICA is showing a sign of good faith by accepting it. Like I said the only power the government would have over the ICA would be to retract the funding and bring things back to the way it is right now. I think it would be quite stubborn and detrimental to any attempts of finding some sort of reconciliation between the two for the ICA to reject this honestly.
Agreement with text: OJ (Seen as ICA burden) owes State money, needs to be repaid fully and a continuing show of good will afterwards before funding can possibly be considered. Any funding given in present would be seen as the debt being avoided, I'm sure many would share the view. In essence, could work but is a proposal which would need time to implement.
Problems: People - Hardliners from both parties will go mental.
It might just work. But it will be difficult.
It can and does work, the US and Canada as two prime examples. We just need to step back and get over ourselves.
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Good man Hook. This is the kind of thinking I like o7
I've been a proponent of this idea since before the recent debacle and it was close to happening. Let's get back on track and get some real work done.
Tat sounds good We should all work together and give donations often to the military
Funding a rogue movement with government money? No thanks.
They'll steal it anyway if they need some.
Sense at last, but I don't see why taxpayers should fund an organisation that has already stolen and not made a reparation.
And I dont fall for this "its not officially ICA, its just one individual" nonsense either. Ffs lads, grow a pair (each, as necessary). If you wear a badge, you're all in it together. If you cant keep your dogs in line, learn to.
The past is not about grievances that wont be dropped, its about big fat f***ups that are constantly being explained away by p**spoor excuses and smarta** repartee.
I'm tired of being called Conservative, Rightwing, Elite and all the other nonsense being slung about, simply for having an opinion on truth and justice.
I like what you've suggested. I'd just like to see an acknowledgement of guilt, a true reparation, and less BS making us look like a bunch of gombeens internationally. Cos sure as ****, we do.
It shouldn't be so damn hard to organise troops to face in the same direction. Ffs, every other e-country manages it. The eIrish general public should be asking themselves why its ok that their tax contributions are squandered repeatedly by people who dont care about anything but themselves????
I still cant find an answer to that.
The gesture from James is nice, but OJ should step up and stop being a p***k, imo anyway. Yeah bud, its YOU I'm still looking at. Be a man and sort it.
ICA worked well without gov funds before. Their independence and freedom was good for them, and was good for people that got more choices.
We should not get ICA addicted to subventions. We should of course cooperate with them in special operations etc. We all live in the same country after all.
What ICA needs to do though is to step up and deal with OJ and any one else that did "illegal" actions. It has said it would do it, but I have an impression OJ is still a general there. That is strange to me since he is the guy that put ICA in this situation.
This is not really a complex issue, and it should not be. It should be rather straight forward.
We all need to get over this and get on with our lives.
e-Kane
I'm no longer a member of the ICA. I love the ICA, More than Ireland currently and if they are being hindered by me then Its time for me to leave. I have handed over the reigns (not sure who will take over).
Thank you
and grainne, stfu. You don't know shit..other than what your little puppies tell you. Which FYI, Is clearly biased.
No OJ, I won't. At all. I will go on...and on...and on...
How do YOU know what I know, you eejit? Can you mind-read as well? And I don't like your tone, either. Not one bit.
For all the e-world to see, I voted for you last time, at your request, as I thought you deserved a chance. You know this only too well, though I haven't been open about this glaring error of judgement on my part, so far.
I'm mad at you cos you betrayed a trust. I think everyone deserves a chance here, yes, even you. But lolz are not lolz when only one person is laughing. Get it?
Whats biased in what I have said? Point it out and I'll reconsider. I'm reasonable like that.
Maybe you forgot.
(And just to patronise you a little, please be aware that your attitude is making you look like a wee girl with wet pants.
Change 'em, would ya?)
"I understand James Ferrin is currently working on getting it back"
I lold
😁 I've always wanted to say that!
Well I'm sorry you don't like it Ginge, but it's as I see it. I've never had a problem with the ICA as a military force. You know that. I have a problem with cheats and thieves, and I also have a problem with military organisations who cant discipline their own people. Or at least make them see reason. How can you function as an army if you cant follow orders and have a bit of honour?
As for doing something for Ireland, like what? Suggest something? PTO a party maybe? Gather some friends to clear out govt orgs and then deny it, keep it, create rifts that dont need to be there?
Or something else maybe?
I've done plenty for Ireland in the past, when it was of some use.. I'm not a goddess or a magician. I'm just one citizen, a member of NO military organisation apart from a loose group of friends who mutually respect each other and fight together when we can.
Its dead simple, I fail to see why you cant collectively acknowledge the sh** that went down, sort it, and keep a tighter command. Maybe you can explain that to me, so I can stfu as OJ requested.
Thanks.
The ICA has doesn't need to apply for govt. funding, they just steal it.
The government should not "buy" loyalty.
The ICA should have some ideological conflicts with "Rent Seeking".
It's not buying loyalty, it's rewarding it. You may say the ICA is forever tainted because of this past month, but honestly there are only maybe a few of them that are really guilty of anything. I understand Grainne saying they can't keep their troops in line, but the problem here was not that they couldn't keep their troops in line, but that the general(s) was out of line. Their chain of command has since changed to accommodate our requests and they are doing what they can to reconcile. They are picking up the slack on something that was never their individual responsibility by paying what OJ stole. And to all of you who are doubting if they are really paying back what they owe, talk to Kolshire himself. The fact is they ARE paying it back.
I was with you guys anti-ICA from the beginning now due to the fact of how simply arrogant they were and that they had no remorse for anything they did. They've finally made the initiative now to pay back what they owe and recognize what happened was wrong and we're still going to say no to them? The ICA is here to stay, either you can make at least a small attempt at creating a somewhat peaceable Ireland or you can continue ostracizing a sizable amount of our active population.
Grainne, OJ is already no longer a member of the ICA, and ICA members are trying to gather the resources to pay off the gold that was lost when our org was hacked. What more do you want?
It's bad enough we had to raise the gold to buy new companies so that we could actually exist. Please cut some slack.
Nothing more than that, Ginge.
Like I said, it's important for your credibility as a military force to take collective responsibility, tighten command, and make reparations. If thats happening, cool.
I have at least one theory on the "ICA Org was hacked" story, but thats up to you guys to sort it out amongst yourselves. Doesn't take an economic e-genius to work out the only way you can get money out of an org with no trail (cough coughety cough)
But I'm sick of being told to stfu when I'm expressing a perfectly valid opinion. So excuse the bad temper, but really, this repeated sh**e is pressing all my buttons.
It's bad enough we had to raise the gold to buy new companies so that we could actually exist. Please cut some slack. x2
We were robbed twice. I was going to quit the game because of how pissed off I felt. I still may. The second robbery was the worst because it wasnt ICA money it was the Irish peoples money, We shouldnt have been implicated by having these funds in our org.
I have given 20 of my own gold to try and build our companies back up again (all I had). I know others have been paying Kolshire back as well out of their own pockets to clear not only our debt but our name.
We will (I hope) bounce back again but the absolute rage I have for the individual(s) who robbed or hacked us wont subside. A lot of us put a huge amount of our spare time and effort building up the ICA up from nothing, and then wham all the fruits of our effort were stolen.
Thanks for that pete, its good to hear something real from within. Rage on.
"I have at least one theory on the "ICA Org was hacked" story, but thats up to you guys to sort it out amongst yourselves. Doesn't take an economic e-genius to work out the only way you can get money out of an org with no trail (cough coughety cough)
But I'm sick of being told to stfu when I'm expressing a perfectly valid opinion. So excuse the bad temper, but really, this repeated sh**e is pressing all my buttons. "
I think Yddub is well respected and can be trusted if you want to ask him about us getting hacked. We no longer have access to our main org and most of the funding for us to repay our debts and rebuild our companies came from him. I don't think he would be throwing all that money to us if we were never hacked.