A Report on Alliance Changing
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by Venerable One
Greetings fellow eCanadians,
It has come to my attention that there are a few individuals that are wanting us to leave Asgard and to join the Circle of Trust.Here I will include an unbiased, factual report on how this can be achieved.
According to the Asgard Treaty,
§11 A country can end their membership by a majority vote of 67% or more by their congress. If no congress exists, it is up to the CP of said nation to decide. If HQ has reason to believe the CP is acting in malice, and not in the interest of its people, it can disregard its decision, and demand a congressional vote. Same procedure can be applied to §9.
This puts us in an interesting situation. In our case, the CP would have the power to decide on leaving Asgard. Unless, however, the people of Canada expressed to Asgard HQ that the decision made by the CP is not representative of the populous. Here, we can see a check against the power of a CP with his own agenda. Precedent in Asgard proceedings is to allow the most recent congress a vote. Take note that this congressional vote would require 67% of the re-instituted congress. Failing this, it would go to a public referendum.
Now, what about getting into the Circle of Trust?
I'll go ahead and post the full section of the Charter dealing with new membership:
1. All alliance members are by default equals.
2. In order to join the alliance the government of the potential applicant state must contact the Supreme Command expressing its will to become a member.
3. The Supreme Command is consequently obliged to propose its application for approval at the next Council summit.
4. The applicant becomes an official candidate only if the Council approves its application unanimously and no member state opposed or abstained at the membership proposal vote.
5. The official candidate should then prove its allegiance to the alliance with its actions for a period of three months.
6. In the end of this trial period the Council votes again on its application.
7. Consequently the official candidate becomes a full member if
1. all member states approve this unanimously
2. its President proposes a national referendum or an open vote in the state’s Congress for the approval of this membership
3. more than ⅔ of the members of congress (or the votes at the referendum) are in favor of the membership
What does this mean? Trial membership only requires a CP proposal to CoT, with the rest being entirely on CoT's end. After the three month trial member, a national referendum or congressional vote is required. The percentage required is not listed in the charter, so we can assume this means 51%. Regardless, Canada has no congress, and likely won't, so a national referendum would have to be completed.
On both parts of this procedure, leaving Asgard and joining CoT, it would appear that the power of the people is more important than the power of the CP Medal. As it should be.
The One and Only,
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Agreed and on that note referendums of eCANADIAN citizens will be taken if the so called maniac is placed back in power.. pshh..
But in ASGARD we have been wiped 6 months now. Lost more than 50% of our active population and are unable to achieve anything.
It is so bad we are having entire MU's leave to the USA just so they can rebuild individually.
Here is a fun fact. Did you know for the last 5 and a half months we have not held a single province for over 3 days?
Thats right! Any province we take is 2 clicked back by eSpain.
Its COT or we get on our knees and make a deal with eSpain that people will probably not like. Or we die.
There is no "magical" forth option and to think so is incredibly dangerous.
We have given the ASGARD route a try for 6 months and have only seen ourselves fail absolute under Rylde, Rolo,Homer and Myself. None of us with all the support and cabinet members in the world were able to get us ecan back.
Its time to bow our heads and do whats right before whatever small population we have left leaves.
I am sad to say but most of the active posters in ecan are now American..
eCan has to humble itself and do whats right... Its WAY beyond pride now.. Its just suicide..
Your points are more than reasonable.
Campaigning without being foolhardy will be the only path to make them happen, however.
My article is being altered thanks to you educating me in these matters. They should reflect shortly.. Thank you
You should stop editing your articles when you make mistakes. It makes it look like you are ashamed of your actions, and are trying to hide them.
Instead, admit that you were wrong in a new article, and explain what you will be doing.
I scratched the line out so everyone could see the edit?
I didnt delete anything at all 😛
Plus I dont see the need to make a new article every time there is a mistake. That would just flood a ton of garbage repeat articles into the country 😛
Here is a fun fact. Did you know for the last 5 and a half months we have not held a single province for over 3 days?
Thats right! Any province we take is 2 clicked back by eSpain."
That's a lie. "
prove it please
When we had congress. I believe we had/held a region for 4 days.
Closer to six actually. We started early on the 20th and held until after the 26th to gain congress.
Also, what MU has moved to the US? Crimson has re-opened it's US division but is also remaining in Canada.
I spent so much CAD keeping those regions 🙁
you can't dam well blame the fact we're still wiped on f*cking Asgard, blame it on the same narrow minded approach we've taken to trying to free ourselves. you really think joining CoT is going to all of sudden get us mad support in our resistant wars? make spain scared of us? your going about this the wrong way and will only leave canada screwed for the next three months then in the same situation we're in now
CoT Can't save us, they don't care about us.
"Trial membership only requires a CP propasal to CoT"
proposal* ; )
I don't like you.
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Aw man, my heart didn't show up : /
My heart broke looking at that single letter.
Why not propassal?
CoT won't get you freed...
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
ASGARD wont either. What can you possibly suggest otherwise?
Making a blanket statement that X wont fix things is completely useless.
Surrender and negotiate into ACT
Nothing will get us freed unless if there is a big power shift in COT's favour. Most COT nations are wiped, I fail to see how us joining them will somehow change anything.
We have been trying to get a NAP where we pay nothing and get all but 4 provinces back and the that still BARELY got past a vote..
How the heck would a complete surrender be voted through? 😛
"Surrender and negotiate into ACT"
Nope if anything, it's go big or go home ^__^
Join TWO \o/
Plz.
Actually, regarding §11 in the Asgard Treaty, we were not thinking of the last elected congress, we had in mind the next elected congress. However, a country without a congress can in fact leave in game by CP's decision, so the intention was not to make it impossible for anyone to leave, the intention was that a country could be re-enter the alliance without a trial period and minimal bureaucracy, if a rogue CP acts against the majority will. But I see now that the meaning of "congressional vote" mentioned in §11 isn't really defined.
Thanks for the clarification.
Keep in mind that he's talking specifically about the game mechanics "alliance." For all intents and purposes, the country would still be a part of the alliance as long as the majority wished it were so until a newly elected congress could make a decision.
We've just clarified this on IRC.
Yes, the intention was to protect the interests of a country with a rogue CP. The case of Back from Valhalla, the Norwegian CP that robbed Norway was fresh in mind when the treaty was rewritten.
And also Kamrat Ankan, the Swedish CP who came to power through a last-minute impeachment, with three votes against one.
The percentage required is not listed in the charter, so we can assume this means 51%
-> more than ⅔ of the members of congress (or the votes at the referendum) are in favor of the membership
This.
And, I think you can be in both alliences at the same time. I don't see an article against it in neither of the charters.
o/