A Horrible idea by our government. [by Fosite]
Nayu
First article posted by Fosite in his newspaper "Dyslexia Paper", but unfortunately he can only publish in eChina. It's about eNL affairs though and I do agree with his concerns. I was worried that it won't be seen so I decided to spread the word. I've got permission from Fosite to do this with a credit to his new newspaper. Appologies for the lack of comic this time. o7
Dyslexia Paper
"After 4 and a half year of playing this game, i finally was motivated enough to make a news paper considering i have dyslexia this is no fun for me, so the motivation was one forced on me by the following:
Some members of our Government seem to have gotten it in their heads that making a PNG(Persona Non Grata)(ban) list to keep people out of eNL (country and community by default) as a good idea.
I think this is a horrid idea and has no place in our community, the way I see it is that we can't just ban a person from our community much less by doing it "democratically" where a minority in power can make that decision. What also worries me is the possibility of abuse, people trying or successfully getting people on that list for more personal reasons than to make sure our community is served by it.
The reason behind this seems to be that cause blacklisting* doesn't work if people move to a foreign country for the duration of it, but just making a little adjustment to that law by making it work retroactive would fix that. A other concern that seemed to be is that people from a nation where at war with should be on there. But what if there are turncoats from that nation willing to fight for us? Unlikely as it is it happens we had some leave us for Norway during the war, but during our time of occupation Nayu joint us from Poland and has been a loyal citizen of our nation. And what about if China would do a Airstrike on us, would i not be allowed back? I am a community holder and loyal to eNL but i would than be in a country where at war with.
I urge all Citizens of eNetherlands to speak your mind on this, cause i can not belief i am the only person that finds the idea of a Persona Non Grata list a terrible idea.
The debate is going on on the forum, so if people also please speak out there to try and stop this, cause this soon will be putt to the vote, do not let this happen.
http://enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12571&p=172677#p172677
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http://enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=9557
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*(blacklist means you basically aren't allowed to participated in in politics for a curtain amount of time)"
Comments
"Some members of our Government seem to have gotten it in their heads that making a PNG(Persona Non Grata)(ban) list to keep people out of eNL (country and community by default) as a good idea."
I do think that implementing a PNG list will protect our Country. We only need to make sure, we use it as an option of last resort. For example when a group of people/MU or something else is rumoured to plan a PTO. There are more examples we can think of to put people on that list, but again, only as option of last resort to keep our Country safe.
If such information comes up just write it down, and a MoHA looking into the case can make that decision with out the need for such a list. We seem to have manged so far doing it this way, this is not gone improve anything. All it posses is a huge risk of getting abused, both blacklist and MoNC have been attempted to be used in such ways, and some could argue with a few blacklist cases that to be the case as well seeing as some get on it while others do not for exact same things. But the blacklist is temporally and only removes someone from the political aspect of the community for a time, this is about removing people incidentally from the community as a whole.
PNG is also temporally. And again only as option of last resort.
6. a Persona Non Grata is in effect for a indefinitely amount of time
Well unless congress say´s it is time to get a person off, and yea i know says CP and MoHA can do to but congress can overturn such decision. So we gone have freaking ping pong match with a list of banned people pending which parties get the most congress seats?
It is a bad idea, just making blacklist work retroactive fixes the problem all the all the same, with out adding risk of abuse, and unnecessary added procedures to the list of the bureaucratic mess.
Correct. When the treat is gone, Congress can propose to get someone of the list. Simple and safe.
It is already simple and save, MoHA looks into request like they always do and decides based on available information. And i would argue that it isn't temporally but indefinite, considering time has no baring on it, but only when those in congress have the majority opinion to take them off.
Nonsense. It's obvious you already have a list made up and just as obvious who will be on it.
Het leven gaat niet alleen over die zielige kapitein. Het is niet eens mijn voorstel 😉
Jij denkt direct maar aan 1 persoon, wat nou met anderen die je niet aanstaan? Er zijn waarschijnlijk genoeg mensen die je tegen proberen te werken
Ik begon er niet over.
Doe maar niet zo onschuldig, het staat je niet. Je reactie maakt duidelijk dat je dit uiterst bedenkelijke voorstel volop steunt en je langdurige ziekelijke fixatie op een bepaalde persoon is welbekend. Evenals de manier waarop je anderen woorden in de mond legt. Jij begon er niet over? Ik had het over een lijst, sinds wanneer is een enkele persoon een lijst?
En waarom ineens de overgang op Nederlands, iets te verbergen?
Don't act so innocently, it doesn't suit you. Yur reactin makes it clear that you thorougly support this utterly questionable proposition and your longtime sickly fixation on a certain person is wellknown. As well as the way you put wrds in someone elses mouth. You didn't bring it up? I spoke about a list, since when does a single person make a list?
And why the sudden switch to Dutch, something to hide?
Zucht, gelukkig zijn er mensen die kunnen lezen o/
This is the sort of bullshit that is thought up by those that constantly preach democracy but couldn't care less for it as long as they keep their positions of power by any means necessary. Personally I think that those who support this idea just show hw far they have strayed from both common sense and common decency.
I don't believe Xibbard should ever be allowed back in or not for a very long time, as an example, but I have yet to vote on this issue.
But yea I do agree on the turncoat idea as I brought it up myself. Perhaps the law should be reworked.
I do not belief in a law that bans people in such a way, plus and correct me if im wrong, not that familiar with all the laws and regulation, but can't the MoHA just refuse if Xibbard would apply? If banning people from our community should only be done in the most extreme cases like someone stealing our treasury, and while i fully agree with most that what Xibbard has done is absolutely wrong the information he putt out isn't exact damaging, I've read it rather found some rather positive surprises but not anything that i would consider damaging to eNL or any person in specific except to him self, by showing that things that are meant to be kept between those that have access to it isn't something he does when he disagree's.
Why Xibbard?
That is pretty obvious. And you know very well about his leaking so I don't see how you can have this question?
trust me guy's, i am NEVER going back,
Nice, then it comes from both sides.
for once, yes, but they keep bullsh!tting on about me going back and the people need ''protection'' from me, come on, i won't go back, so bye-bye NL
Did I make your list?
don't flatter yourself 😉
Dammit! Well my forum rights were taken away so I was hoping to be one of the cool kids on the list, in the case, Ill come back to the NL 🙂
Thats only because you arent Dutch. 😉
But I was eDutch for nearly 2 years...thought it would of counted for something.
Nah, you left.
If you ask me you are most welcome to come back, by the way. 🙂
Well thanks ElGorro, but I hardly think I would be welcome back ever.
Your choice ofc but know you are welcome.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/max-mcfarland-has-taken-over-usa-and-is-masterminding-a-deal-to-join-asteria-2406753/1/20
I'm not for nor against a PNG list. I am against leaking info to other nations (may that be Belgium or Norway) from private gov places (although it's quite obvious why and that it happens sometimes). And evading (congress)tax and debts to our government. Not any list is gonna fix that though.
'by our government' I am not responsible, I do not support this, MoHA can check individually on information that the MoHA can find when someone requests CS, banning from our community, goes a little bit far, politically okay, when someone can do serious damage when in charge, than it's okay that that person isn't allowed to have a political title for x time, but banning people from our whole community?
Yea sorry, but i rather did not start using names. I am not entirely sure who all backs it as it was who didn't or who was even unaware of it going on, plus i at least tried to grab some attention with the title. As turns out wasn't even idea by Gov members but by Congress from GEN. DE LA REY comments but at least it got awareness and vote on it has been delayed and a conversation about it has started, so sorry for any confusion or insult i might have given.
To take xibbert as an example, he just done this as a puppet for his master. This just comes down to spite, no more no less. This is the lowest reason to this, I think the reaction is just an eye for an eye.
But either way, I am sure we do not have to forgive and forget and welcome these spiteful people with open arms and say that we (as a community) are sorry and we will be nicer next time you have a rage quit as it does not go their way...or do we?
oh come on,
we all know you and your tone you speak on,
make it easy for yourself (to not fgurther humiliate yourself) and quit your whining
butthurt much?
at least i still have a butt,
Someone from the NL calling somebody else a "puppet for his master" ...odd.
xibbert is a puppet, he could not come up with something like that himself
ahhh, you think that?, then you underestemate me, and if you look at history, underestemating someone can be quite dangerous 🙂
go on xibbert, report to your master see what you have to do now
he he he, i report to no one but my boss at work 😛, you realy want to keep this up?, being tonie's little toy,
xibbert tell me what you smoke, because it must be good. But what I say must hurt as you seem to take it to hart.
And yes go crawl back to your master, because that is the case.
i do not smoke, nor do i drink, so at least i know what i am doing, yet again i will tell you: i have no ''master'' this is not the midevil ages,
A lot ofbs
Thank you for your very constructive and contributing comment, just as great as the one on the forum.
Well spoken, the eNL community shouldn't belong or be ruled by anyone in such a way that native Dutch can be banned out of their society. This list is prone to abuse, false suspicions and political day-to-day affairs, while rationality without this Black Book has, is and will triumph.
Common sense needs to prevail above all, if not people will break the law anyway. The forum is inactive anyway, on face value this list will only add to the inactivity.
Oh and idea by Government, nope this is a congress idea.