A Big Mess: Achievers of Prosperous Singapore
Day 623, 17:44
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by iLord Solomon
Okay, I’m here to clear up some misunderstandings.
I mentioned in my last article that I invited some friends to Singapore. Our discussion and recruiting ground is in this thread, on the Art of Problem Solving cite, a cite for the mathematically inclined.
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=288306
We came up with the idea to form our own party, for excitement, for the learning experience, as well as for Singapore, for those of us like myself that feel I can do more good without the restrictions and representation issues that being part of another party would represent.
We decided to call our party the Achievers of Prosperous Singapore, and even at this fledgling stage, we have already had some ideas, like the a Committee to keep the Wiki updated, as well as a Committee to specialize in recruiting new players to Singapore.
Some of our ideas will obviously need refining, as our party is populated by new players, but I am confident that given time, our dedication will not only prove to be just as valuable, but also our mathematically capability and fast learning curve.
You can see here in our thread Arbryn is quite upset at our intentions, feeling that it is a poorly organized political takeover attempt. But I feel that she has sharply misread our intentions. I responded via PM to Arbryn, and I'm going to post it here:
"I'm speaking for AoPS here when I feel that you have seriously misread our intent.
First of all, there is no secrecy to our "takeover" if you call it such (Realize that I did so in my sig as to attract new player's interest). We're going to form our own party on the 6th/7th, and I am going to declare the formation and our intentions in my newspaper, as well as announcing what I intend to improve. I will also invite all who feel that they could do more as a relative free agent to join our party, and any veterans that would like to help us out (thought judging from your reaction, that may have been overly optimistic).
I will note that certain matters of our party we would prefer not to have out in public, as is natural to all parties, and have moved our discussions to a separate forum in order to secure our privacy. But rest assured that our intent is not malign.
I do not believe what I am attempting to do is more harmful than beneficial to Sinagpore. You’re correct in that I do not have the experience enjoyed by the more venerable members of Congress, but I’m confident that I will learn quickly, and that my good intentions and activity will be able to add to Singapore. At the very least, you must agree that a Singaporean who is attempting to help, no matter his experience, is more helpful than a PTO’er in congress, no?
I want to help Singapore. And I have the time to do so. Should I sit here and wait while I have the capability to dive in headfirst, learning as I go surely, but mostly definitely helping? A single Congress member cannot bring ruin to Singapore and I most definitely will guarantee that within a term, I’ll be swinging with the best of you.
Part of what inspired your reaction may have been the intent of some of the AoPSers to take over Malaysia. As you could probably discern, I found this a highly unlikely venture, definitely one unlikely to happen unless AoPS can somehow full on PTO Singapore. I noted that such a venture would be unlikely unless AoPS can solidify their influence as a way of keeping up their interest, but I realize that such an action is unlikely to happen. The idea I’ve been trying to push on the other forum is the formation of some type of Southeast Asian alliance, which seems to be far more temporate and reasonable.
I have attempted to integrate myself among Singapore society, but it as it may be my personality (or my “selfishness” as you put it), but I didn’t want to join an existing party. I considered such a path too restricted, and I wanted to experiment with my own actions without bearing the responsibility of my actions on my shoulders (For example, imagine if I were part of the SRP and talking to PEACE leaders about the prospective Singapore of joining PEACE). I resolved to form my own party, and the AoPS population gives me a starting population with which I can kick off my party. Obviously I would like to be a Congress member, not only as an experience, but also gives me a greater status with which to make foreign negations with, a field I feel I could assist greatly in.
You are correct in that we all have much to learn, but I cannot stress the importance of an active citizen working for the greater good, even if they were still green behind the ears. I do not understand where you are getting this tone of subterfuge – with merely 20 members at most, what do you think we’re trying to do? Sneak two of our members into Congress? To what avail? Yes, we’re making our own party. Yes, we’re going to attempt to get a representative into Congress. But by what means are we being deleterious to Singapore or deceptive to the public? You wrote this paragraph:
“I suggest you make your own party, it is better if you all join it and would not be that suspicions if you have honest intent. This route is better then PTOing another existing party as this will just bring hate down on you and is a hostile act. Be very vocal in local news and forum. Don't be quiet outcasts as this will just look bad. Don't be going to other nations discussing politics, this is a horrible way to earn respect locally. You are not a diplomat, ambassador or representative of eSingapore right now and have no right or place to act like you are. There are people in these roles and if you would like to apply for these roles then you must go through the proper channels.”
This is almost entirely what we intend to do, and we have stated as much in the thread. We’re are not quiet outcasts – the “leaders” have been on the forums and commenting on newspapers. We have not begun any foreign negotiations because we realize that we are not diplomats, ambassadors, or representatives. We will go through the proper channels – do you not agree that a party of 20 deserve a Congress representative?
I will repeat that I am a friend of Singapore, and have acted as such. I’ve asked you for guidance in regards to my company, and you have gratefully helped me out. I do not wish to make an enemy out of you, but judging from your tone, you have judged our little fledgling party an enemy.
How about this, I’ll make a proposition with you:
You read through my response and decided whether or not it would be in Singapore’s interests to run for Congress. If you still think I am not qualified, I will not run, and stop anyone else from AoPS from running. Do think this over, and I’m sure you’ll find that we are not as malignant as you initially thought. "
So, I am extending this proposition to all of Singapore. We can have the public choose whether or not our inexperience is enough of a disability to make our possible presence in Congress a liability.
Regardless of what you choose, we will make our party, and will continue to attempt to help Singapore. As I have said, the experienced willing to guide us are welcome, as are those who feel that they can do more good for Singapore as a free agent without the restrictions of a longstanding party.
Voice out your thoughts in the comments. I'm ready for you.
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"I'm temporarily in Hungary to communicate with Hungarian officials on their sympathies for allowing Singapore to join PEACE, which I feel should be our main platform. Sort of like an ambassador Very Happy".
Enough said.
I will start scanning my employees for this and the other PTO party and firing will commence. No work for trolls.
@Texas: No, not enough said. If you read my last article, you will find that I no longer find joining PEACE important because of the establishment of the training wars.
Please read the entire thread and article before making your judgement.
You speak as if this is your country to bend to your whims.
It is a free, just, and democratic society and we the citizens of eSingapore like it the way it is.
If you wish to be a contributing member of this society...By all means do so. Otherwise you will find this a cold unwelcome country for invaders of any sort.
I have had much discussion with Solomon today and he has shown to me that much of him and his friends chatter on their forum was as I somewhat suspected it to be. Wildly over zealous musings of a large group of newbies with high hopes and dreams but ultimately very low experienced with the way eRep works.
This group could possibly pose a potential risk to Singapore if they got large enough and wanted to rush the game. Should they attempt to run strait to majority congress or president quickly the simple fact of to many inexperienced players trying to do something they haven't ever done yet could harm Singapore whatever the intent is.
However Soloman has assured me this is not their intent contrary to some of the mixed postings. And that he will not be attempting a majority congress, but he may attempt 1 or 2 spots. He has 20 days until congress votes, hopefully by then they can show 1 or 2 people in their group deserve congress instead of just taking it. This would go a long way in easing the tension.
Anyways,
In this regard, if this group does have good intent they could be a nice boost to eSingapore should they work with us and not against us. If they take the time to learn the game and how eSingapore works before trying to rush to the top and work at advising the government first and learning and then trying to help eSingapore it could be a good mix as we can always use more citizens and people of talent.
So for now I am not personally citing against this group, they may be legit. But I am also not taking my eye off them either. If they attempt to step to far ahead of themselves we will have to work against them. But if they continue to work with eSingapore and things stay good I don't see any problem with them being here.
But with our history and Bad Mojo of PTO attempts I think we are well within our right of being suspicious. Earn your weight and prove we don't need to be worried of you is my best advice atm.
I too have spoken to Solomon, at first in a very hostile tone, then in a more understanding way. I believe that if they can win the trust of Arbryn and other long standing citizens (Many of whom have watchful eyes for PTO's) then they could potentially become welcome.
They have offered me access to their private forums, which i will accept just to see whats going on with this group. If they are out to PTO our nation, it will soon be known. However, If what Arbryn suspected and what I figure is true, It will show that they are indeed just a group of determined newbs that didnt figure eSingapore to be as full of life as it is (We truly are a remarkable community).
This Misunderstanding however has shown us something... our members are vigilant and keep a watchful eye over our nation to ensure we are well defended.
Heres to a good future, on in which eSingapore can prosper.
Be wary though. No one will say it openly when they intend to PTO eSG.
But seeing the misunderstanding here, I think we shouldn't just turn everyone away, but we cannot lower our guard either. Our instincts always hint to us.
"But I feel that she has sharply misread our intentions."
I think it was more you poorly represented your intentions.
If you have the best intentions then good, all the better for singapore 😁, but remember many people have worked very hard to make this community and we will not be used, as we have shown in the last two PTO attempts, perhaps a contract is in order?
I don't know. But seriously?? Taking control of Singapore because it has very little people, and would be easy to do so?? Like how 4Chan control Iran??
I don't see how we can misread this.
I hope you prove your forum thread wrong, and that you are here to help Singapore.
Fair enough. I didn't say anything when I first learned of the existence of this group, simply because I didn't know what to make of them. I've had enough of scandal from the previous administration to have another one coming so soon, and I kinda predicted that many eSingaporeans would be hostile enough for things to turn ugly, as some comments (albeit privately rectified, I hope) have already proven true.
What I did do was say that if I saw their efforts to be ultimately for the good of eSingapore (something iLord Solomon assured me was the case in private), I wouldn't do anything to stop them. Only in the event that their infiltration is seen to be hostile would I pull out the stops; a threat that I must state is not one I use lightly.
But what I do feel is that we can afford to give them a chance than ostracize them entirely; however much I dislike the idea, eRepublik is pretty much a game to them: nationalism or the idea of having built up a country from the doldrums of despair is not something that can easily come to idealistic newcomers. That said, it is not a mark against them: it is certainly true that we need all the active eSingaporeans we can get, and while I will be very much loath to allow a country that I have at least had some part in building to be destroyed for the precepts of a mere game, I am withholding any form of judgement for now; we are, first and foremost, a society that should welcome and encourage, rather than grind into dust.
Thanks for understanding, everyone. I've talked to Arbryn and she's given us plenty of suggestions to better apply ourselves. I still intend on forming our party, but it is becoming readily apparent that none of us here have the experience to even consider Congress, yet.
best of luck
The biggest Experience needed for Congress isn't even anything relating directly to the game mechanics. It is learning and understand the way the citizens of eSingapore are and how we conduct ourselves through our government. Without understanding how to fit in how would one expect to be able to conduct any form of changes. I believe this is one of the largest things that bothers people. As so far you have proven to not understand us very well yet the ideas how we could be better seem to come so easy without knowing how or why we are what we are.
One must first understand the beast before one can tame it so the saying goes.
Call your party, " a big mess" 😛