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Wow so much truth in your article DMV I can't believe Addy would Hijack a thread with his legitimate concerns about citizens dictating government policy I can't believe he would do that. Your articles amuse me because you have an astonishing skill at twisting words hell I could say I like puppies and you would find a way to make people turn on me because I hate cats.

My issue with his first quote is that he let's CPF buy a MU for the government, it's hypocrisy plain and simple.

Can you give me a reference link I cannot find the said quote but I do remeber Addy saying on page three of the formal debate "I do not openly accept and approve the CPF providing funding for the MU. Where do you note that I make this claim? I gave authority to the MoD and his deputies to procure an MU for CCD compliance but they did not review with me the plan to have CPF fund this. I specifically mentioned "parties" in my address to Congress because I do not approve of what CPF has done. It is a parlour trick of partisanship and it breeds resentment between parties." Not really hypocrisy just a not well handled or responded situation on Addy's part.

The Ministry of Defence was authorized by me to find an MU. It was my fault that i did not clarify how it would be paid. I assumed that it would come from treasury, the Ministry took it upon themselves to fundraise for it.

My bad for not making it clear. I didn't approve of what they did, what I was ultimately responsible for.

This "dictating policy" concern is garbage. He made an offer, and it was turned down. If we had accepted the offer and a week from now decided it no longer suited our purpose we could of cancelled the deal.

There is no "dictating of policy". He offered to pay the difference between 1% and 2% for as long as we were going to have a 2% tax rate. At any point we could decide to raise it and the deal would conclude. He wasn't tying Congress's hands, and he wasn't forcing them to keep taxes at a certain level.

The complete lack of logic required to develop and then defend some of these arguments completely baffles me.

These are the same people that were against anonymous donations because, and I quote, "With an anonymous donation you don't know what people are trying to buy."

You can say hes not dictating policy and that's fine but it is influencing you could argue dictating may have been to strong of a word but he is still influencing the government/congress with is money. And I just want to make sure that was a typo when you said "as long as we were going to have 2% tax rate" we were suppose to keep it at 1% correct? I'll assume it was a typo.

It absolutely was not a typo.

He offered to subsidize the taxes. Meaning we could keep the actual tax rate at 1%, but the effective tax rate (with his subsidy) would be 2%.

As long as we were fine with that 2% rate, he would keep the money coming in.

If we decided that an effective 2% rate was no longer sufficient he would stop the subsidy and we could raise it to whatever we wanted.

The difference between 1% and 2% to the average player is not a "burden", it is hardly noticeable in the day to day activities of most players. However, it does provide considerable more income to the government which allows us to buy the MPPs that we need, as well as start up initiatives like the Civil Defense MU (which puts money back into the pockets of the citizens)

Being reliant on one person to pay the tax disparity is not a long lasting solution.Are you going to pay our bills forever?
Furthermore, I really don't see how 2% taxes could provide any more/less growth than 1%. We're not talking of a 1% to 10% jump here.

You're telling me paying twice as much in taxes for a new player isn't a burden? You're kidding me right?

Twice as much of nothing, is still nothing.

1% isn't exactly nothing, but it's easy for someone who has been long established to think it is.

My slave pit wages would be enough to pay for running companies once, which would make enough CC to run them almost indefinitely.

Get non-pit wages and you have no issues at all.
I only pay like 10cc a day; I don't make a ton of money, but I have never had an issue.

If a player is not working in slave pit they're also not receiving weapons from an MU, so you're telling them to choose between running their companies and helping their MU and gaining more supplies.

Right now you can get a job market job that pays 20 CAD / day.

That is more than enough to allow anyone to run all the companies they may have.
Yes, 1% to 2% is double taxes, but if the difference is paying 1 CAD in tax or 2 CAD in tax then its essentially no difference.

Unless they're working in a slave pit in which case it's a huge difference, and if you suggest working for market wages is better than communing you're daft.

Again with personal attacks in your arguments DMV. Have you ever had a debate you've participated in without insulting all the people who don't think like you?

If you resort to insults while trying to get your point across you no longer have my attention nor support. Obvious exceptions being the damn Spaniards and what not.

1% is a lot tbh. As a business person, I count pennies. I purchase over 100,000 units of WRM at 0.05. A 1% tax difference is $50 for whoever I am buying from. We get paid around 21cc a day for working. That's a difference of two player's daily salary.

... thus, why I might as well buy from a market that could use the $50

And if you say $50 is nothing, then please, donate me $50 daily. Thanks!

I don't see the problem with the offer?

Oh well.

You left my decision out 🙁

You abstained

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Weird. I would have taken the money and run as Muglack explains it. It isn't like we could be blackmailed or anything. Congress can raise the rate at anytime? Free money? Congress, you are nuts LOL.

What it might do is give him an advantage during election time.

Ironically, someone suggested that and I disagreed with that course of action because it lacks integrity. I'd rather say no to DMV3 and stand up for my principles than to make him believe I supported his idea, took his money, and then switched things back.

DMV3 is a good salt and deserves the straight goods, not a deception.

I disagreed with him, I still respect him.

Never Rub Another Man's Rhubarb.

If it had passed, I would have vetoed it.

missed opportunity though I still dont believe 1% or 2% makes much difference if your trying to move from somewhere that has a 10% tax rate

I was payed 19.8 CAD and now I'm receiving 19.6 CAD

0.2CAD!!!!1!! WHAT HAS THE WORLD TURNED INTO?! SO MUCH INJUSTICE!!

I BET IT'S ALL FOR BRIBES!

Is a politicians first priority public service/benefit or preservation of their own power and influence?

That would depend on the politician.

that's a surprisingly complicated question, since it's their job to attain consensus and they need some sort of influential control to do it

I'm not seeing the downside to accepting this. Its not like agreeing to it prevents the government from ever raising the tax rate if they feel the need to.

"If this is accepted, I will immediately propose a motion to donate all of the gold in congress to me and I will split it with the congressmen if it passes."

I have issues with CP's going rogue and using citizens money for their own personal gains.

Never again will I ever give this wanker support for anything

It proved my point