[WGA] State of the country [PK]
bozli
QUETTA, Pakistan - Gentlemen, I am writing this article as a ePakistani citizen and a member of apparently dreadful Council of Elders. Recently there have been many arguments in the media and IRC between two supposedly opposing groups, and the situation is getting out of control. There are way too many heavy words, kickbanning, negative articles et cetera. All of which I frankly find pointless.
As dodial mentioned in one comment, this whole campaign is extremely negative. Instead of promoting their ideas, everybody keeps flaming and insulting the other side. This reminds me so much of eSerbia that it is disgusting. I left eSerbia over 2 years ago because of crap like this, it's too late for me to switch community once again.
I have a few questions for all of you. Questions which should make you think again about everything that happened. If not, then you guys can't be fixed and I will move to the plan B.
TheJakal, what exactly do you want? Just please spare me the politics, I hate it. What is your goal? What do you want to do if you supposedly get a majority of the population on your side? How are you going to be better than current rule? "Give me power, you will see" is not a valid answer. And most importantly, are you aware of the consequences of your actions? I will get back to that tho.
The next set of questions would be for a couple of CoE members. Not that I don't want to name them, I am just not sure who said what as the self-proclaimed opposition sees us as one body. Why are you, once again, reacting so aggressively when someone doesn't share your opinion? I asked this question once a couple of months ago, when I was on the "other side". It's time to repeat it: This is a game, did you forget it? And most importantly, why are you wasting your time on this?
Now, this is most likely a worst case scenario, but you need to keep in mind what can happen after all this crap. First, CP elections are in 2 days. They will be tough, and they have the potential of being the toughest CP elections we have faced in a while. But congress elections worry me. If this continues, Dio help us. Just one thing, the moment you guys start using multies against eachother (and I am very aware that both "sides" are more than capable of using them), I am done with this community. While loss of one player is not really big, there would be more people that you'd lose. Which brings me to the final point: community collapse.
Media is active, at the end of the day you all had fun. The involved sides that is. There is such situation going on in eSerbia since Feb 2010. Both sides (SZR/UeS, it became quite wellknown in eWorld) openly admitted that their fight with the other side is the only thing that keeps them playing. Which is perfectly valid, if they weren't hurting gaming experience of the others who aren't involved. Unlike Pakistani, Serbian community is huge. Even our RL meetings have 2-3 times more people than Pakistan has voters. In eSerbia small communities had formed, such as various MUs, then Thailand, UAE, Montenegro, Denmark and New Zealand. They all have more voters than Pakistan does. What do you think it would be a product of such argument in Pakistan? Individuals quitting. Serbia can afford a couple of good individuals quitting, Pakistan cannot. Also, even with current state, you can forget about any player retention, people will just be driven away by your aggressiveness!
And just one quick example before I finish. Currently, when one side in eSerbia sees that they will lose the next elections, they use up all treasury money and then flame the other side next month for being unable to win battles. Also, they don't fight for Serbia during the month the other side is ruling. Do you really want this in Pakistan?
In 2 days we have the elections. I know what will happen if Clusters win, and I know what will happen if Ishamael wins. And most importantly, I know what will happen if Croat wins. The only thing I ask from you is to calm down and think straight. This is my final attempt to talk in some senses into you. Vote smartly!
PRIDE
POWER
PAKISTAN
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At least someone is talking sensibly!
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these things happen when people dont know how to handle a "Difference of Opinion" and try to handle the situation heavy handedly. Not surprisingly there r guys who can and try to take advantage of the whole situation. They just crave power and use others as puppets. I just hope every1 sees sense in the end.
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Sindh ne sme pasti!!!!!!!!
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^ do not click on those links ; )
Someone who actually has a grasp on the situation around here..
reported for Spam already.
Bozli, you worded every thing quite beautifully. I would however dare to add some words to the picture. kickbanning is indeed just pure wrong unless done for continued vulgarity or anti-nation spamming. I do hope that powers are not abused on that end any more.
As a non-RL Paki it is easy for you to step out and view the situation as a two party struggle. But this is a bit unfair in my opinion. You have been and are part of the council and
know very well that it is not a body that controls state running. The sole purpose of it was to fight of the PTO. I admit it's name has been a mistake and has given easy ground for people to mis-represent it.
You yourself have been in and out of the administration in the past 8 months, so for what the jakal attacks is just as much YOU as any body else. All he is doing is attempting to create leadership through division. An age old tactic. Surely you see it through as well.
Now to the difference of opinion. Have you given it a deeper thought 'what' exactly the different opinion is. From where I see it, there is not even an opinion, it is just banter and personal attacks. I do not think there has been any aggressive reaction to 'difference of opinion' (sparse a few exceptions). But there certainly has and should be a reaction to mud slinging, silly propaganda and personal attacks.
From where I see it this is not about opinion but about 1 persons ascent to power.
Before you term, matters where decided by one or two people privately. The time you stood for CP, I initiated a discussion involving an expanded audience to build consensus on a single candidate. This was later formalized as CoE. It actually formalized opinion polling for a larger audience. Now, probably 1/4 of the geniune population is represented in it. Granted it is not perfect and I would rather have an alternative voting engine. But as long as we donot, we will have to do with what we have
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These new comments are so annoying.. 2k limit would be so much better..
I do not have an advantage of seeing things from the distance, but it's just the very same experience I had in Serbia. BTW, this is news, some guys got sick of SZR/UeS fights so they made an alternative, 3rd side. Guess what? Above two are flaming the alternative side together: http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy203/stewegi/gluposti/ziga.jpg (summary: if you think you are so much better than UeS and SZR, (...)
you will win the elections easily. I am sick of the moralists who act smart from 2click). That was said by an ex-month CP of Serbia. They just reached a new level of community purging : )
The name is way too powerful, it has that oligarchy sound indeed. Using the name as an argument is funny.
>so for what the jakal attacks is just as much YOU as any body else.
I haven't taken any of the attacks personally, nor I took any of the attacks on CoE seriously. I know what has been done, (...)
(...) there are many flaws that need to be addressed, but the arguments were so bad that they are not worth paying attention to. Some of CoE members decided the arguments WERE worth the attention, and we are here now. What's done is done, now we gotta fix it rather than making the problem even bigger.
Divide et impera is an old strategy, very effective in fact. It can be countered tho if it's needed. Asif is a valuable member, I hope he will come to his senses before it's too late.
>From where I see it this is not about opinion but about 1 persons ascent to power.
It's always a power struggle. I agree with what you said above that sentence.
>Before you term, matters where decided by one or two people privately.
Yes, and it was very bad. The current system is bad as well, as people with ideas are being ignored. But it is much better than having everyone and their mother run for a CP and split votes indefinitely.
Policy suggested using forums for the purpose of congress and CP preelections. The idea is great because:
1) we still have the elections but the risk of PTOer sneaking by is reduced
2) people willing to invest time will have a chance to prove themselves in other ways than spamming/sucking up to CoE
3) no multies will be involved
I hope we could get this idea formalized until next PP elections where we can use PRF elections to test it before congress elections. CoE has to push the idea..
kamraan, thx for the support but not this month. RL > any game
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>> I haven't taken any of the attacks personally, nor I took any of the attacks on CoE seriously.
What I meant was that you have been in thick of country administration for the past 8 months. When we says that the current rule of law is effing up ePak, that includes you. Whether you responded or not hardly matters. You cant just dodge this by playing an observer. You, me and everyone working for ePak and managing it's resources is who he is opposing. Notice though that he is opposing people,
NOT ideas not strategy. Which is probably why his arguments seem ridiculously baseless. This holds true for the rest of his gang.
I fully agree that the arguments were not worth the attention. You will appreciate though, that the initial responses had attempted to explain and answer questions, rather than start an argument. It just entailed out of control since then.
>> The current system is bad as well, as people with ideas are being ignored.
I would really like to challenge that. Who and with what idea has been ignored. It is in fact the very opposite. Not enough people step forward to participate and contribute. I have had to consistently push and pull and incentivize people into government work. Hardly anyone wants to or has the capacity to do work. Every wants the candy though
>> people willing to invest time will have a chance to prove themselves in other ways than spamming/sucking up to CoE
Anyone who wants to already has an open chance to do come forward and prove himself. You would agree that becoming a CP is not the only way to do it. Doing an alternative vote on the forum is an ideal solution, and I already support it. Till then we have to have some sort of system to bring order to chaos.
I am also slightly offended by you implying the need to sucking up to CoE. You are a member, and have voted every time. How many people sucked up to you for you vote? None. Same for me and the others.
Opened this right before I went to bed, still first comment on my screen (oh the hilarity)
Thank ya kindly for these words ;3 I've been trying to say what I can but I admit- I've mostly held my tongue and giggled at the absurdity of the arguments.
Well i just dont get it,why is everyone paying heed to these opposers of COE.these are just some trolls who dont have any idea as to how to run this country.These type of people can only find mistakes in others.They actually dont have any alternative too.Actually if u guys had ignored them,the situation couldnot have gone worse.
TL😉R Stop being faggots
dodial, very likely I am missing things because I was never really putting much time into interior. Sucking up is too hard word I guess, I couldn't think of a more appropriate.