[Weekstrom]On DAF
Weekstrom
Given the current circumstances and given the fact odan already went public via forum and ElGorro did the same in an article I decided to write an article to explain my action to you all and shed a light on the situation from my perspective and a potential solution for eNL’s politicians and soldiers.
What happened?
After 10 days this term I made my first remark about gov not communicating matters towards commanders in the commander chat up until a statement from odan. At that point 12 hours ago. A few comments from a few gov members followed of which some came from Tim Veltkamp, our MoD, who had been silent the first 9 days of his term. Almost immediately he mentioned that command perhaps should be handed over to the MoD if communication was to sparse. Soon after that remark a separate message from odan arrived;
“The government wishes to assign a new commander in DaF, please hand over command to tim veltkamp asap.
odan.”
Naturally that was, sort off, a surprise. Asked for the reasons and also stating DAF should be led by soldiers, not politicians nothing came but “it’s the law”. A bit later he mentioned there was a plan but asking for it revealed nothing apart from a thread he would go to congress to force me to resign. An empty thread though as he already had started that. As still nothing of a plan is announced I take it it’s only another attempt to get rid of me as has been tried by several individuals from a certain group of players.
Why I don’t hand over command to Tim?
There are a few reasons.
- First off all; No reason has been presented but “The law”. Interpretation of the law can be debated however so it’s unclear whether or not I should comply to that.
- Second; When given command (3 years ago!) I was told to make sure command would stay in the hands of soldiers and not politicians as, back then, some politicians that had the power were messing with our MU’s and over the past few years that thread has been in place a few times as well and could be the case now as well.
- Third; I don’t think handing over command to the MoD and therefore a potentially inexperienced commander (Even more the current MoD is never heard off within DAF let alone actions have been noticed) and a monthly changing one as well will not serve our soldiers well.
- Forth; If I leave command I feel it my responsibility “my” soldiers are been taken care off. I don’t have the feeling the change asked for will safeguard that.
And although some players seem to think so; I don’t care about my position. Never did as commander, never did as MoF. I care about our country which is one of the reasons I, unlike several other so called important players, never left and always was there when needed. Present me with a decent successor and I hand over command. Not a problem at all!
State MU
Several Gov players like to use the argument it’s a state MU and therefore should obey gov orders. A bit of a history first; Some time ago we had several state MU’s and one private MU who happened to be the property of a powerful politician disliked by a lot of older players yet happened to be swapping positions with DAF when it came to power. With the, valid, argument eNL would benefit from a strong military rather than a divided one it was then decided gov would try to get all players in one MU. There was however a more pressing reason for several players; Get rid of that private MU and hurt the owner.
To make the plan have more chance of success a commune program was mentioned due to which all soldiers should benefit from a reasonable amount of supplies. At least the same or more than that private MU paid. And instead of allowing all soldiers to benefit the plan was developed to only let State MU members benefit. The plan to get rid of that other MU succeeded and in effect that private MU was destroyed leaving DAF as the main military unit and regarded as state MU.
As for the supplies it's a different story. Imo a State MU should be a MU in which players benefit from supplies more than would be the case in a private MU. After all gov bought several facilities to provide them with it. Sadly, on average, the soldier of DAF gets the same amount of supplies as he would get in a private MU at best. Most of the time he will be way better off in a different MU however. And the unity? Well, several of the politicians wanting one MU left DAF again after the private MU was eliminated to start their own (party) MU or join another (foreign) MU. So much for unity.
That said I do support the idea of DAF being the State MU. However; gov should be glad to have a MU they can order to fight in certain battles. They act however as if the MU should be glad to be a State MU. As it is the state benefits way more from the MU than the other way round.
So does DAF take orders from gov then?
Naturally. Let there be no doubt; orders are followed. When asked to fight orders will be set. That does however not mean that no questions are asked. When given an order the commander can and will ask for an explanation when he thinks it's needed to explain to soldiers questioning it or asking for an explanation. Most CP's and MoFa's over the years didn't like that as they seemed to have big problems explaining what they were doing. With a few positive exceptions. A commander that keeps asking what they are doing is a pain in the ass naturally and he can be difficult to work with as a result.
Why not listen to the order to hand over command?
Apart from reasons mentioned above;
The command structure of a MU should be the responsibility of the military. Just like politics should be the responsibility of the politicians. So a gov can ask (sound better than order don't you think?) to fight at a certain spot and DAF will set the orders. Gov should however have no say in how the MU will organize itself.
Should the commander decide then?
No he should not. It can’t be up to one individual to do so. When changes in the structure of DAF were needed it therefore has always been discussed with key players within the MU. DAF acts as a democracy in that respect.
The fact not one individual should decide also was one of the reasons in the past proposals have been made to solve that among with regulating the separation from gov and military responsibilities. I don’t know the exact details anymore but the best one I've seen come along was something like this; a military council should be installed to take care of the military. That council would consist of (2nd) commanders (not only from DAF preferably), one or two experienced advisor's and the MoD that is in place. This council would debate matters and make decisions on how the military would be organized and who will have command. The MoD is the linking pin between gov and the armed forces without the risk off one gov being able to destroy the MU. For instance by changing things every month as has been done in the past which led to the powerful private MU mentioned before. This same structure however makes sure however gov is having the possibility to vent ideas and or create plans. For reasons unclear (although I have my thoughts) it never lifted off. Yet it is one of the solutions that would have prevented a stalemate like we are in right now and it makes sure players are used on their strength. Politicians on politics, soldiers on military issues without telling the other side how to do their job. Not saying this should be the way to handle matters but something needs to be done formally obviously as there is too much room for interpretation in the law and too much interfering from a gov in the military.
To conclude with
To me there seem to be two possible solutions out of this;
1. odan presents the plans he mentioned but are unknown. If they proof to be solid and a replacement commander is presented that will not be doubted I will hand over command without hesitation
2. The decision is made to work on a solution to prevent this from happening again and political and military matters stay separated without gov denying the right to give orders naturally.
Should 1 be the case, which I doubt will happen this term, that does not mean 2 can be skipped if you ask me.
I wish congress, gov and others all the wisdom they need to come up with a future proof solution benefiting eNL as a whole! I urge them to include soldiers in that as well. And you all can be sure I will hand over command the moment matters are clear and solved. As several off you know I'm eager to be relieved. But there needs to be a good solution for the soldiers!
WKR,
Weekstrom
Comments
Pertañax
Dude, one thing. The military is not to be seperater from politics. The military is under direct command by the eNL politics, so that it does fights where we want it instead of where a commander wants.
In my opinion, the MoD should be the commander himself, especially when commanders go do things that defy orders.
You should be on the blacklist.
Did you even read the article? Where do I state the MU should not follow orders?
Oh and BTW, a military council would be horrible. Why all the extra people and extra bureaucracy, why not controlled by the minister that gives the order?!
Furthermore: yes, the way that you were asked is not nice. But if you're the military guy you say you are that doesn't care about his position, give it up already!
The way you were asked is not too nice, but who replaces him and to what end is not up to you.
Congress has asked you too, so cut the crap that its just odan.
As stated on your previous comment; Did you actually read? Its not about orders to fight. Its about politics mingling with the structure off DAF. Solders aren't mingling with the structure off congress either are they?
The MU is political, that's the point of a state MU
The MU ain't political. Its even forbidden. It can receive orders from gov and as state MU we're bound to follow them where others aren't.
The MU however is no place for politics nor is the MU a place where politicians decide how things get organised. Just like a commander or captain does not decide how congress should work.
Well... I can follow your thoughts Weekstrom, but I also have to agree that it is not up to you to decide what or how the future of DAF will look like. DAF is always controlled by the MoD, started with Walhallah. Even Spirtus used his influence as CP to organize and structure DAF.
Back on your arguments: your first one of not having a political figure as commander, agreed... BUT that is never somewhere written down. So can how can you explain that you will not hand over the command. You can not defend that, because from the political side of view they have the 'law' at their side.
I hope this can be solved soon, and I will let you know that I have great respect for you and the time you have invested in DAF.
Well, that law seems to be debatable as eNL happens to have a law that tends to leave room for interpretation.
The fact things are not archived well or perhaps not even written down, although I'm pretty sure it was, is another aspect that relates to that as it are the same group of players responsible for that.
Matters that are not wanted or deemed unwanted by a few are not regulated so the possibility remains the change matters back to the likings of a small part of the community once players that strived for it are out of sight.
Our hopes are the same Andreas. And I do hope this will lead to solving this finally as its something going on for at least years already. If that would mean I would be "damaged" or seen as a mutineer as some call me or whatever else comes along; So be it. I don't care if it will lead to clarity. This is not about me after all. Its about the rotten structures we have on a few places and about getting matters fixed for the country.
And if it doesn't get solved than it has been my final act to try to change something about that in eNL and I'll be done then which will be a relieve to a small part of society.
Weekstrom, IT IS NOT UP TO YOU
DAF is a STATE MU
ODAN IS YOUR SUPERIOR
You DIRECTLY DENIED HIS ORDERS
The LAW IS NOT WITH YOU
Odan aint shit. Weekstorm has earned 100 times more respect in this game then him !
Odan is president, by law Supreme Commander.
Then you be a good boy and follow him. I wont
I'm very disappointed in the leadership of DAF and have lost faith in our democracy as a whole. When I joined this game I aimed for a better democracy. Sadly it only has become worse. I will take a temporarily brake from politics.
Spir Tus! Mate! Please don't give up. If you are disappointed, you should try to change the politics. If everybody just gives up we will have a small political 'elite' of players who control all power... We need you!
I agree getting rid of congress members because they are inactive was the first step away from democracy.
Getting rid of CM as in remove them? Really? Current congress? If so I wonder who were removed?
something spirtus agreed on. also something totally unrelated to this discussion.
Following Weekstorm on this !
Weekstrom, the true Dictator of eNL.
*epix's breinscheten*
Ik ben het volledig met Weekstrom eens waarom hij niet direct command overhandigd na 3 jaar trouwe dienst en eerst vragen stelt. Als het enige antwoord "de wet" is dan mogen jullie echt wel met iets beters aan komen zetten.
Ik ben het met hem eens dat we niet elke maand een andere commander willen hebben. De kans is groot dat het de communicatie niet verbeterd als we dat wel doen.
Nee, ik ben niet jullie nieuwe commander vanwege privesituatie.
Tim Veltkamp zou een goede commander kunnen zijn, heb in het verleden veel met hem samen mogen werken. Als hij er 100% er voor wil gaan en langer aangesteld wil/kan blijven dan is hij van mij welkom.
Ik weet jij bent iemand die alles voor eNL zou doen epix. je kent me redelijk (misschien zelfs goed 😉 ) zou ik zonder dat ik er goed over na gedacht hebben iemand aanstellen? en je kent tim, weet wat hij voor eNL in het verleden betekend heeft.
ook ik wil het beste voor het land. misschien moet ik daarvoor soms wat beslissingen nemen die niet altijd even populair zijn, maar ze zullen altijd in het belang van het land zijn. en ik weet 100% zeker dat deze beslissing van mij dat is.
So the politicians should not have a say in and the soldiers do? And since the soldiers have no way to make the decision w/o involving politics you just make your own plan?
They can have a say. Matters can be discussed. But gov has imo no right to decide on a replacement. I outlined what imo would work and why. Don't think that will be set in place though due to 2 main reasons; We don't have enough players in eNL to make things work and I don't think lawmakers will be willing to work on it. But perhaps an inbetween solution can be found due to which gov is not the one deciding but can propose matters to congress for example as that's in place anyway. IMO not an ideal situation but way better than a CP deciding single handedly. There is nothing in eNL he can decide on in his own so why should the MU be an exception?
Ga eerst een goed 'rond de tafel zitten' en probeer deze problemen uit te praten ...
Dat zou je denken hè. Probleem was alleen dat odan alleen maar de wet er bij kon halen maar plannen die hij claimt te hebben niet noemt.
Ik bedoel; Begin met iets in de trant van; We hebben deze plannen, willen dit doen en zien daarom graag dat je plaats maakt voor....
Klinkt een stuk beter dan alleen maar zeggen we hebben besloten je te vervangen, draag commando over. Zeker als je dat recht mi niet eens hebt volgens de wet. Maar ik geloof dat congres daar al een paar dagen mee bezig is...